From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #877 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Monday, March 6 2000 Volume 02 : Number 877 In this issue: - Understanding/appreciating Jap Noise Patton-Ribot show [Fwd: WoM E-mail List Update 2/12/00] PROMO: Dafeldecker/Fennesz/Kurzmann/O'Rourke/Drumm/Siewert Kowald in Orlando/More Girls new Roulette schedule/more Tom & Gerry Re: mr. mister White Noise update rE: Song For Che disc info needed Knit / WKCR / anyone have access? another request for reviews Re: another request for reviews NYC underground Re: The Cure- Bloodflowers Re: mr. mister Curlew ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 22:32:23 +1030 From: Sinclair Subject: Understanding/appreciating Jap Noise Hi all, I recently took the plunge and bought my first JApanese noise related album, this being Maldoror's "She.." I have given it a pretty fair hearing, and I really cant seemd to fathom any kind of meaning, or pleasure from it. In fact It makes me quite uneasy. Am I looking at it too objectively, as in form more structured music's perspective? Is there a better way to get aquainted with this genre, suggestions please. Is it simply "Shock art" Is there any reviews of this particualr album anywhere, ie did it get a good rap, or did I pick up on a particualrly odd piece? Hope someone can shed some light, Case - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 22:32:29 +1030 From: Sinclair Subject: Patton-Ribot show Hello all, Just wondering if anyone would care to post a reveiw of the recent KF show featuring these 2 artists? Is there any chance of trading with someone who may hav taped this show? REgards, Case - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Mar 1994 12:03:13 -0500 From: Diego Gruber Subject: [Fwd: WoM E-mail List Update 2/12/00] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------B308442F2ED404B71BD2DF01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi ppl, I forward you this message sent by Trey Spruance's website, The Web Of Mimicry. I seriously advise you to go listen to those Estradasphere samples if you haven't already, they're amazing. Some of them sound to me like Bar Kokhba meets country music, but in a very original way. Secret Chiefs 3 re-releases coming up... WEB of MIMICRY wrote: > > WoM is pleased and proud to announce that Estradasphere's > fabulous new CD "It's Understood" will be the inaugural release on > our new MIMICRY RECORDS label. The level of musicianship is > truly amazing! It's a must, particularly for fans of Mr. Bungle and > Secret Chiefs 3. There are several mp3 files you can check for > yourself on our web site (http://www.webofmimicry.com) where > you'll also find Trey's review. We can only gaurantee this > introductory, low price through the release date on March 9, so we > suggest you pre-order the CD now. > > "First Grand Constitution and Bylaws" by Secret Chiefs 3 will be re- > issued on MIMICRY RECORDS sometime this spring. An exact > release date will be announced as soon as we know it. Rumor has > it that the bonus track will be "Theatrum of Suprasensory Universes > - vol. 2: Emir of the Bees). "Second Grand Constitution and > Bylaws: Hurqalya" will likely be re-issued within a month after that > probably with "Zulfikar" bonus track(s). AND there's a new Secret > Chiefs 3 CD in the pipeline too. > > Finally, a Secret Chiefs 3/Estradasphere Tour is in the works for > the May/June timeframe. No, we don't know where or when yet, > but we'll let you know when we do. > > We at WoM are going to take a break until February 28, so we > may be a little slow in answering e-mails and stuff for the next > couple of weeks. Please remember that if you order stuff by e-mail > to split your credit card info between two or more messages for > security purposes. > > We hope that our new domain (http://www.webofmimicry.com) > makes it easier for you to find us and that you enjoy what you find. > > WoM > > P.S. Apologies to anyone who got this message twice. We had a > screw-up. - --------------B308442F2ED404B71BD2DF01 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: Envelope-to: dgruber@uio.satnet.net Delivery-date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 16:43:09 -0500 Received: from mail.northcoast.com ([208.25.112.13] helo=maple.northcoast.com) by uio.satnet.net with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12JkJn-0005GY-00 for dgruber@uio.satnet.net; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 16:43:08 -0500 Received: from ccm71972 (ccm71972.humboldt.perki.net [208.25.193.153]) by maple.northcoast.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02044; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 12:12:13 -0800 Message-Id: <200002122012.MAA02044@maple.northcoast.com> From: "WEB of MIMICRY" Organization: WEB of MIMICRY To: "WoM E-mail List" Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 12:12:56 -0800 X-Distribution: Bulk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: WoM E-mail List Update 2/12/00 Reply-to: WoM@webofmimicry.com Priority: normal WoM is pleased and proud to announce that Estradasphere's fabulous new CD "It's Understood" will be the inaugural release on our new MIMICRY RECORDS label. The level of musicianship is truly amazing! It's a must, particularly for fans of Mr. Bungle and Secret Chiefs 3. There are several mp3 files you can check for yourself on our web site (http://www.webofmimicry.com) where you'll also find Trey's review. We can only gaurantee this introductory, low price through the release date on March 9, so we suggest you pre-order the CD now. "First Grand Constitution and Bylaws" by Secret Chiefs 3 will be re- issued on MIMICRY RECORDS sometime this spring. An exact release date will be announced as soon as we know it. Rumor has it that the bonus track will be "Theatrum of Suprasensory Universes - - vol. 2: Emir of the Bees). "Second Grand Constitution and Bylaws: Hurqalya" will likely be re-issued within a month after that probably with "Zulfikar" bonus track(s). AND there's a new Secret Chiefs 3 CD in the pipeline too. Finally, a Secret Chiefs 3/Estradasphere Tour is in the works for the May/June timeframe. No, we don't know where or when yet, but we'll let you know when we do. We at WoM are going to take a break until February 28, so we may be a little slow in answering e-mails and stuff for the next couple of weeks. Please remember that if you order stuff by e-mail to split your credit card info between two or more messages for security purposes. We hope that our new domain (http://www.webofmimicry.com) makes it easier for you to find us and that you enjoy what you find. WoM P.S. Apologies to anyone who got this message twice. We had a screw-up. - --------------B308442F2ED404B71BD2DF01-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 13:59:30 EST From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: PROMO: Dafeldecker/Fennesz/Kurzmann/O'Rourke/Drumm/Siewert well, after a few months of trying, I've finally managed to get my hands on some copies of this superb CD, on Christof Kurzmann's Charhizma label, based in Vienna, and not distributed in the US as of now (his co-productions with other labels are distributed here, but not the Charhizma-only ones.) anyway, there's a track listing, MP3s, and some reviews (although mostly in German) at www.charhizma.com/quart/index.html if you'd like one, please e-mail me ASAP to reserve a copy, and send payment as follows: $14 US each postpaid within the United States $15 US each postpaid to Canada $17 US each postpaid overseas All payments must be made in US funds. Cash and money orders shipped immediately (mail cash at your own risk). Shipments paid for with checks held until they clear. Please send your order to: Jonathan Abbey 189 Christopher Columbus Dr. Apt. #4 Jersey City, NJ 07302 sorry for the commercial nature of this post, but I figured I'd give people on this list a chance to buy copies before I sold them all elsewhere. Jon - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 15:45:20 -0500 From: parry@macconnect.com Subject: Kowald in Orlando/More Girls FYI: Peter Kowald w/Sam Rivers & Michael Welch @ Rollins College 3/4 >Saturday, March 4th- Bush Auditorium, Bush Science Center, Rollins College, >1000 Holt Avenue, Winter Park, Fl >7:30pm doors, 8:00pm concert >$8.00 general admission tickets available at the door >All ages welcome >Info@ 407-646-2398 Found this interesting: > And since I'm a teacher I think it has something to do >with the degree of privileges afforded men, privileges we all-too-often >unconsciously bask in. Women are also not encouraged to be confident in >engaging in such discussions in the education system. I've also noticed a >tendency toward discursive differences as well--men often argue (I'm no >exception I'm afraid on this score), while women look for areas of agreement >and attempt to deflect or disarm conflict. There is certainly something to this theory, but I think in the case of mailing lists, women in general may also just have less "free" time to devote to posting, or else they're more into communicating w/ friends individually via e-mail than communicating with a whole group. I'd have to agree that on the whole, men seem to get involved in more list arguments. However, those are broad generalizations. One mailing list I'm on is frequently dominated by a woman who has appointed herself the leading authority on all subjects and feels compelled to post a response to every comment made (sigh, or more like, yawn). And I have seen some really vicious flame wars break out between women, where men were among the conciliators. If Deborah Tannen is looking for a subject for her next book..... >Don't worry, compatibility in taste is almost irrelevant to any >serious relationship Another interesting topic. I suppose it depends on how godawful the loved one's taste is, exactly. I know from sad experience that near-complete musical compatibility is not a guarantee of eternal love. But on the other hand, I wouldn't even consider a casual date with someone who liked, say, Mariah Carey or Kenny G. It's OK if cinematic tastes are somewhat dissimilar, because I like going to movies by myself anyway, and I don't care if someone loves steak, even though I'm pro-tofu. But I could never contemplate a romantic relationship with someone who might subject me to the Top 40 or pseudo-jazz on a car radio. Parry - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 16:21:55 EST From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: new Roulette schedule/more Tom & Gerry the new Roulette schedule, for March-May, is posted on their web site, www.roulette.org, for those in the NYC area. has anyone out there seen any of the first three nights of the Tom and Gerry tour? I'm curious to hear how it's going. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 19:47:39 -0700 From: "Tom Johnson" Subject: Re: mr. mister > or by Mr. Holland and Mr. Bailey, therefore the Misters H and B, as i believe > the original poster intended. I think this is "mssrs." actually. :-) Tom - ---------------------------- "Go for super-stud! Go for super-stud!" --Bill, on Freaks & Geeks "I don't want to sell anything, buy anything, or process anything as a career. I don't want to sell anything bought or processed, or buy anything sold or processed, or process anything sold, bought, or processed, or repair anything sold, bought, or processed. You know, as a career, I don't want to do that." --Lloyd, from Say Anything - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 14:53:41 +0000 From: "Scott" Subject: White Noise update Scotland's experimental events listings site, White Noise, has been updated for events in March. Details at the URL below. Scott Russell - -- White Noise For experimental events in Scotland http://www.burntweeny.freeserve.co.uk - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 13:31:49 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Waxman Subject: rE: Song For Che Don't know exactly. But considering the liner notes said it was recordec by Barbara Dane on a trip to Cuba, I figure (considering the "folk" and politics) Folkways may help. Try the peope running the Smithstonean/Folkways label in Washington D.c. It has a Web page. They may be able to help. Ken Waxman On Fri, 3 Mar 2000 Reaboi@aol.com wrote: > > BY THE WAY, does anyone know where I can find the original recording of the > tune sampled in the original version of Song for Che? PatRice? > > Cheers, > Dave - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 18:00:20 EST From: "Bruno Bissonnette" Subject: disc info needed Would someone please comment or offer their opinions on the following discs: Bob Ostertag: Fear no love (Avant) Steve Beresford: Signals for Tea (Avant) Guillermo Gregorio: Red Cube(d) (Hatology) Thanks for your help. Bruno Bissonnette ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 20:53:24 +0000 From: Rick Lopez Subject: Knit / WKCR / anyone have access? Hello folks-- if this isn't an appropriate cross-post, I wouldn't know what would be... Looking for some session details. Most have to do with Knit gigs, WKCR broadcasts, or NYC gigs. Any leads, help, or mysteries solved will be appreciated. If you know someone with access to tapes; if you were there; if you can put me in contact with..., if you feel like hunting anything down for me... - ---------- There is a WKCR session from June 1, 1992. Resulted in a Matt Shipp Trio on 7" vinyl from YAKUZA magazine. No personnel noted, so I need a BASS PLAYER (WP probably, but I'd like it confirmed), and a DRUMMER. Knitting Factory session resulting in Prima Materia: Peace on Earth (music of John Coltrane) KFW 158 (CD) 1994 New York City w/ Louie Belogenis (ts) Allan Chase (ss; as) John Zorn (as-1,3) Joe Gallant (b) William Parker (b) Rashied Ali (d) I need a date for this one. Knitting Factory session resulting in Derek Bailey, John Zorn & William Parker: Harras AVAN 056 (CD) 1995 I also need a date for this one. There is an early '70's recording of APOGEE, w/ DS Ware, Gene Ashton (Cooper-Moore) and Marc Edwards which was broadcast and done to reel-to-reel by WKCR. Doesn't everyone here think this should be re-broadcast, considering the places these folk have gone since? Who would need talking to? That's it. Thanks for the help, Best regards, Rick Lopez - -- Marilyn Crispell, Susie Ibarra, William Parker, Sam Rivers, Matthew Shipp, David S. Ware, and Reggie Workman Discographies--Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops--LOVETORN--HARD BOIL--etc., at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k UPDATE January 10, 2000: vids, a few CDs, baseball books, a few Cadence back issues, a few more CDs... ***Very Various For Sale: ***http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/4SALE.html - - ------------------------------ Date: 05 Mar 2000 22:09:27 -0600 From: Ben Axelrad Subject: another request for reviews Has anyone heard the following discs: Steve Lacy -- NY Quirks (hatology) Koch/Studer/Schutz/+2 djs -- (Intakt) Rieben/Burgener/Hoffman -- Lilith (For 4 Ears) Thanks in advance, Ben - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 23:34:31 -0500 From: Fritz Senn Subject: Re: another request for reviews > Koch/Studer/Schutz/+2 djs -- (Intakt) Although I've only given this one listen, I have pretty mixed feelings about it. The jazz element is a bit too "recognizable"/cliched(?) for my tastes, and the drumming locks into these rocking muscle-y patterns that I don't like. But the record scratching/sampling (which is laid on pretty thick at some points) is nice when it's not so obviously in sync with the drumming and sax/bass clarinet. It'll get your attention though, no doubt (i.e., shit happens, unlike the 2nd Orchester 33.3 record). The closing minutes of the first track is this total ascension into chaotic noise that's very impressive. Fritz on Shunsday. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 01:25:10 EST From: XRedbirdxx@aol.com Subject: NYC underground maybe a naive question here, maybe not I'm visiting NY for a couple weeks. Went to Tonic last night for the first time (Liminal playing) and was rather surprised at the amount of mousse in the room (as in Vidal Sassoon). Seemed quite a trendy place. Might anyone have the goods to point me toward some more underground clubs/perf. venues, spots that would perhaps not be found in the Voice? Appreciative that it is much easier to solicit your collective wisdom that go asking/wandering around town--- Joe - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 00:30:50 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Bramy Subject: Re: The Cure- Bloodflowers >> I've seen many ppl mention this record already as something they're >> listening to, but still no comments. So, [insert obvious question here]. > >i found myself agreeing with aquarius' review. >as a longtime cure fan, it was disappointing. >but certainly far better than their previous effort. Alternately, I too am a career-spanning fan, and I find the new album to be a masterful return to form. I've seen it written that the album is the third in a trilogy that started with "Pornography" and "Disintigration", an observation I would agree with. Course, I liked the previous effort quite a bit, too. ``````````````````````````````````````````````````````` Todd Bramy tbramy@oz.net ``````````````````````````````````````````````````````` Once the new art is created, it is up to us to ensure its rightful place in the pantheon of art history by persecuting and denouncing it. -Steve Martin ``````````````````````````````````````````````````````` - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:18:43 +0100 (MET) From: Steve Berman Subject: Re: mr. mister >>>>> "Tom" == Tom Johnson writes: >> or by Mr. Holland and Mr. Bailey, therefore the Misters H and >> B, as i Tom> believe >> the original poster intended. Tom> I think this is "mssrs." actually. :-) From : Main Entry: Mr. Pronunciation: 'mis-t&r, in rapid speech esp in sense 2 (")mis(t) Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural Messrs. /'me-s&rz/ Etymology: Mr. from Middle English, abbreviation of maister master; Messrs. abbreviation of Messieurs, from French, plural of Monsieur [...] Cheers! - --Steve - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:03:16 -0500 From: "Sean Terwilliger" Subject: Curlew Hey all - On Ebay there is the first Curlew album up for bid. The cover photo is nothing like the cover that I have. Mine is a black kind of xray photo of a bird, with LCDT typeface. The one on ebay is more cartoon-ish. Anyone know which was first, or what the deal was with the 2 issues? Sorry for Xpost. Thanks, Sean http://www.geocities.com/sterwilliger - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #877 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com