From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #878 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Monday, March 6 2000 Volume 02 : Number 878 In this issue: - Curlew hair care products at Tonic Re: Curlew Interview with Zorn in JazzTimes hair care products at Tonic Music Is My Bag WFMU Pledge Drive musicology (hello Jeni) dave douglas sextet NP stereolab Re: NP stereolab Zorn on Zappa Re: dave douglas sextet (plus clapping and drummers) Re: NP stereolab Re: Zorn on Zappa Apartment for Rent Re: dave douglas sextet (plus clapping and drummers) Apartment NOT for Rent semaphore Re: another request for reviews ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:32:04 EST From: CuneiWay@aol.com Subject: Curlew Sean >On Ebay there is the first Curlew album up for bid. The cover photo is >nothing like the cover that I have. Mine is a black kind of xray photo >of a >bird, with LCDT typeface. That's the UK version. >The one on ebay is more cartoon-ish. Anyone know >which was first, or what the deal was with the 2 issues? Sorry for Xpost. This is the original Landslide version. Sonically identical. Steve F. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:46:11 EST From: Reaboi@aol.com Subject: hair care products at Tonic Tonic's a wierd place. they get a lot of different scenes and, often (like on SexMob/Bernestien nights), the crowd is terribly trendy. the first Masada gigs there were full of a great mix of people-- a real crowd that was obsessed with the music. (a guy actually snorted a line of coke next to me, right beore one of the short and 'spastic' type tunes!) at Tonic, the trend is basically the same as the neighborhood--- trendier and more expensive. this means more hair care products. just check out the trust fund-endowed 20-somethings on sunday brunch at Baby Jupiter's. however, Tonic is the most consistant place we have for 'our music.' and, when someone like Misha Mengelberg plays solo, you can hear a pin drop in the place.... I'm trying to get rid of my studio 3 blocks west from Tonic. Any takers? cheers, dave - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 08:49:50 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Curlew On Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:03:16 -0500 "Sean Terwilliger" wrote: > > Hey all - > > On Ebay there is the first Curlew album up for bid. The cover photo is > nothing like the cover that I have. Mine is a black kind of xray photo of a > bird, with LCDT typeface. The one on ebay is more cartoon-ish. Anyone know > which was first, or what the deal was with the 2 issues? Sorry for Xpost. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** - CURLEW: Curlew Recorded at The Creative Music Studio, Woodstock, NY 2-29 through 3-2, 1980 (5,9) recorded live at C.B.G.B., 2-6-80 Bill Laswell: bass; Nicky Skopelitis: guitar; George Cartwright: reeds; Bill Bacon: drums; Tom Cora: cello. 1981 - Landslide Records (USA), LD 1004 (LP) 1984 - Landslide Records (USA), LD 1004 (LP) Note: the two pressings have different covers. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 08:58:51 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Interview with Zorn in JazzTimes This is on behald of Artur Nowak (who is having trouble to post to the list). - ------- Forwarded Message From: "Artur Nowak" Subject: Interview with Zorn in JazzTimes Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 06:18:30 +0100 Hi Philozorners, there is a interview with Zorn in the March issue of Jazz Times. It may not be new, because I can recall pieces of it form somewhere, probably form the german magazine Jazz Thing (part of it was available online at http://www.jazzthing.de/feature/featu.html). Go to the newsstand and get it!!! Zorn speaks! __________________________________________________________________ Artur Nowak [arno AT emd.pl] www.emd.pl - Discography of Bill Frisell & some MP3!!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - ------- End of Forwarded Message - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:05:28 -0500 From: Jason Tors Subject: hair care products at Tonic One reason for the mass hair products, besides the trust funded neighborhood, is that tonic used to have a hair salon in the front room [which is now a bookstore]. I just moved out of the area [163 ludlow st] this month and the only thing I regret is the proximity to tonic. I kind of miss laughing at the guys in straw cowboy hats on antique bikes, or the lonely nova usa fabulous sales folks. I find that the subtonic lounge is even more trendy and super hip than the upstairs. Tho I love going down there early and getting one of those great barrels. I think the best one has to be in the far left corner in the back. It is just a matter of time before tonic goes through the roof. \ Can it be bad that this music is cool to listen to? - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:47:14 -0800 From: Greg Mills Subject: Music Is My Bag In the latest issue of Harper's, there is a very funny personal essay about "Music Is My Bag" people (so named because of the supposed ubiquity of NPR totebags emblazoned with this clumsy pun). These are the people that think PDQ Bach is a hoot, wear keyboard scarfs and have framed "Mostly Mozart" posters from the local Mozart festival. The essay is a pretty exact and merciless exploration of the weird (to me anyway) subculture of local theater, high school bands and regional orchestras. There is one detail that the author hit dead on: these people who steep themselves in the outward trappings of the music connoisseur actually love bland music. Billy Joel, Phil Collins, Amy Grant and other folks of that ilk. How does music scholarship promote conservatism? This maybe a fundemental question to some of you, but I'm not a musician, so perhaps I'm naive. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 12:59:56 -0500 From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: WFMU Pledge Drive Hi, Don't remember seeing this mentioned but WFMU is making its annual pledge drive and I think most of us on this list benefit from keeping truly "alternative" radio active. I listen nearly every day over the Internet. For more info http://www.wfmu.org/Mara/ LT - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:24:03 EST From: XRedbirdxx@aol.com Subject: musicology (hello Jeni) This weekend I heard Charles Wuorinen, of all people, dub musicology as: "Words without Song" NP: Digable Planets - Reachin' (a New Refutation of Time and Space) - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:46:15 -0500 From: Jason Tors Subject: dave douglas sextet Did anyone catch the DD group at the vanguard? - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:50:28 EST From: XRedbirdxx@aol.com Subject: NP stereolab << stereolab mostly on the stereo these days >> was it them with the "The Seduction of Claude Debussy" album? Perhaps Art of Noise? Anyways, any comments on it? Joseph - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:56:07 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: NP stereolab On Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:50:28 EST XRedbirdxx@aol.com wrote: > > > << stereolab mostly on the stereo these days >> > > was it them with the "The Seduction of Claude Debussy" album? Perhaps Art of > Noise? It was Art of Noise. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:26:52 -0800 From: Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com Subject: Zorn on Zappa Given recent topics here ... one thing I haven't noticed mentioned was that in the current Jazz Times interview with Zorn, the saxophonist talks a bit about his respect for Zappa's, well, political efforts ... then goes on to say that he doesn't read newspapers or magainzes and doesn't watch television, that he is not the person to take Zappa's role but he wishes someone would. He's not real specific about what this role was/is.... - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:24:16 -0500 From: Dan Hewins Subject: Re: dave douglas sextet (plus clapping and drummers) I caught the first set on Friday night. High quality stuff as one should expect from Dave and band. As I always say after watching Joey Baron play, He is a joy to watch. I hadn't previously seen Roseman, Genus, or the new sax player play before and they were great. Josh Roseman had a good solo in the first few songs that had him snorting and honking which drew a few laughs from the audience. One of the highlights for me was the Mary Lou Williams tune, "Aries," from the Zodiac suite. I had to look at my copy of Soul On Soul to realize that it's on there. There was also a M. L. Williams fusion tune that Dave, Joey, and James played as a trio. Nice little groove and some really good interplay between Joey and James. This has caused me to think about a couple things... One is that sometimes the Jazz protocol of clapping after solos annoys me. Some people just do it because everyone else is clapping and they don't even really know why or feel compelled, themselves, to applaud. It is of particular bother when the transition between, say, the trumpet and sax solo is in a quiet mood. If the players are playing quietly an onslaught of applause can really ruin the mood of the music, for me. Some of the most brilliant improvisations I have heard have been when one player copies or continues an idea of the previous soloist, which applause can cover up. One recording that comes to mind is Joshua Redman's "Wish" which has Pat Metheny on it. There is a tune at the end of which Joshua and Pat trade fours and some of the most amazing quoting and playback occurs. On the other hand, if the music is loud and raucous, applause and cheering can help enhance the mood. The second is that I don't often like bass solos or drum solos. Bass solos often seem like they don't fit in with the mood of most upbeat tunes. The level of the music has to come way down in order for the bass to even be heard well enough. Bass solos can work as an intro or outro often. But that's not really what I wanted to mention. It's more about the drummers. I think there are very few drummers who can take a meaningful solo. I think Jowy Baron is one of them. He can actually convey something (to me) when he solos. Most of the other drummers sound like they're having a show-off session or a chop practice. Art Blakey is notorious in my book for having extremely boring drum solos. The only other drummers that I know of who really can move me during a drum solo are Jim Black and Max Roach. Any thoughts on this? Dan Hewins At 1:46 PM -0500 3/6/00, Jason Tors wrote: >Did anyone catch the DD group at the vanguard? > >- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:55:58 -0800 From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: NP stereolab At 10:56 AM 3/6/00, Patrice L. Roussel wrote: >On Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:50:28 EST XRedbirdxx@aol.com wrote: >> >> >> << stereolab mostly on the stereo these days >> >> >> was it them with the "The Seduction of Claude Debussy" album? Perhaps Art of >> Noise? > >It was Art of Noise. > >- And, thought it's pretty far off-topic, I have to admint that this is one of my favorite records from last year. It's really an audiophile record, an amazing listen on headphones, and the sense of humor keeps it out of Enigma/Deep Forest territory. Eric B. rapping about the scent of flowers in the evening air is priceless. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:52:25 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Zorn on Zappa On Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:26:52 -0800 Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com wrote: > > Given recent topics here ... one thing I haven't noticed mentioned was > that in the current Jazz Times interview with Zorn, the saxophonist > talks a bit about his respect for Zappa's, well, political efforts ... > then goes on to say that he doesn't read newspapers or magainzes and > doesn't watch television, that he is not the person to take Zappa's > role but he wishes someone would. He's not real specific about what > this role was/is.... Which is basically the only refreshing part of the interview... After reading that interview, I almost felt sorry for the journalists Zorn has been criticizing. This interview looks more like a transcribing of a tape, without cutting and editing. The result? Repetition ad nauseum of something which could have fit on 4-5 sentences ("Big record business is evil"). Did John really think that a magazine like the NEW YORKER (one of the few left where writing still means something) could have published such endless rantings? If this interview in JAZZ TIMES is characteristic of what John has to say (and I still hope that it might have been a bad day for him), I understand what kind of dilemma these journalists had to go through when writing their articles. Patrice (who never understood what was wrong with the NEW YORKER interview). - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:01:36 EST From: Reaboi@aol.com Subject: Apartment for Rent I got such a big response to mentioning that my place is for rent, I might as well post the info to the group. If NYC real estate doesn't interest you, don't bother reading. NO ZORN CONTENT. LOWER EAST SIDE STUDIO/1BR I live at 100 Allen, apt 2B. it's really 101 Orchard, but the door is on Allen st. it's a newly-restored tenament (next to the Tenament Museum), and it's pretty much on the corner of Delancey. It's on the second floor, above Congee Village, the best chinese restaurant in the area. The place is a studio/1 bedroom (about 250 sqft?), perfect for 1 person or a couple. I have it split up kind of differently-- in the bedroom I have my cds, bass, amp, couch and my PC. in the living room there is my stereo, a chair, table and bed. I've had a buddy stay for a few days on my couch and, if he weren't a bass player also (with amp) then it would've been fine. 2 people, 2 amps, 2 basses are just too much for the room....! but the place is clean and modern, and the bathroom is nice. the landlord tells me the place goes for $1350 now, and brokers have no 1 bedrooms in that area under $1800. just what I heard... everyone that sees the place says it's a unique and 'cute' layout. I would move ASAP. and the benefits of living next to Tonic, the Pink Pony, Katz's Deli, etc is obvious to folks on this list... cheers, Dave - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:19:05 -0500 From: Jason Tors Subject: Re: dave douglas sextet (plus clapping and drummers) >I caught the first set on Friday night. High quality stuff as one >should expect from Dave and band. As I always say after watching >Joey Baron play, He is a joy to watch. I hadn't previously seen >Roseman, Genus, or the new sax player play before and they were >great. That sax player was Gregg Tardy. I really liked his playing a lot, he had this great trane tribute solo, quoting a love supreme and developing into to wild and wooly 60s trane style. Josh Roseman totally blows me away in this context, he really covers a lot of ground, what I love about him is that he doesnt adhere to the adage that faster is better, he plays with such clarity. He plays a mute/muffle so well, sounded like a ragged old jazz singer fresh from smoking a pack of reds. Did you see how locked in joey and james were, they were goofing the whole time, smiling at each other. All of joey's little tempo changes and fills james was onto, the man looked like he was in a trance, his tougue hanging out and eyes rolling back. Did you see Jeff "Tain" Watts come in late and sit behind james genus. A buddy of mine was trying to convince me that the soul on soul group reminds him a lot of wynton marsalis' band in the early 90's with Tain on drums, I wonder if there is a connection. >Josh Roseman had a good solo in the first few songs that had him >snorting and honking which drew a few laughs from the audience. One >of the highlights for me was the Mary Lou Williams tune, "Aries," >from the Zodiac suite. I want to hear the original zodiac suite, that composition was really dense I can imagine some sections being played in the 30s but I think DD brought a lot to that song. The thing that amazes me the most is how different the first set was from the second set. The feel of the band changed entirely, they were a lot more loose and ready to blow. The first set was a lot of tunes and second set was all out jamming, some earth shattering solos by DD and roseman. > >The second is that I don't often like bass solos or drum solos. >Bass solos often seem like they don't fit in with the mood of most >upbeat tunes. The level of the music has to come way down in order >for the bass to even be heard well enough. Bass solos can work as >an intro or outro often. I love the bass solos, james had an incredible bass solo on the third tune!! What other projects has he been involved in? I want to hear more of him. > But that's not really what I wanted to mention. It's more about the >drummers. I think there are very few drummers who can take a >meaningful solo. I think Jowy Baron is one of them. He can actually >convey something (to me) when he solos. Most of the other drummers >sound like they're having a show-off session or a chop practice. joey is the choppiest player but does it tastefully, he will use a trick once and that is it. He was so melodic, the solos he takes are so musical! Did you notice how he would smack the triangle at the end of almost every tune? - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:07:45 EST From: Reaboi@aol.com Subject: Apartment NOT for Rent Ok, here is a crazy thing... my landlord just called, telling me he rented the apartment to some guy named Joe. He moves in April 1st. People are getting in line and fighting each other over this place.... the markert is CRAZY. and it was on the market for less than 5 days! Now I've got to find a loft in Brooklyn-- real quick. Sorry, Dave - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:15:41 EST From: XRedbirdxx@aol.com Subject: semaphore anyone know anything about this ensemble headed by don byron? is it contemporary classical music? how large is the group? anything released? joseph - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 15:29:24 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: another request for reviews On 05 Mar 2000 22:09:27 -0600 Ben Axelrad wrote: > > Steve Lacy -- NY Quirks (hatology) This is the reissue of: - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 111 - CAPERS: Steve Lacy 1/ The Crunch (Lacy) 12:35 2/ We Don't I (Lacy) 12:55 3/ Quirks (Lacy) 9:25 4/ Bud's Brother I (Lacy) 17:05 5/ Capers (Lacy) 9:20 6/ We Don't II (Lacy) 16:50 7/ Kitty Malone (Lacy) 13:55 8/ Bud's Brother II (Lacy) 12:15 Recorded live by Peter Kuhn at Soundscape, NYC, December 29, 1979 Steve Lacy: soprano; Ronnie Boykins: bass; Dennis Charles: drums. 1981 - Hat Hut Records (Switzerland), 2R14 (2xLP) 1985 - Hat Hut Records (Switzerland), hat ART 2014 (2xLP) 1999 - Hat Hut (Switzerland), hatOLOGY hat 532 (CD) Note: the 1985 reissue is called NEW YORK CAPERS. Note: the CD reissue is called CAPERS & QUIRKS. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrice. - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #878 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com