From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #938 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Tuesday, May 16 2000 Volume 02 : Number 938 In this issue: - Trying to contact: Wood Nick Trying to contact: Olin Brownell Re: Thomas Chapin Box Set "Alive" if anyone's still interested Winter & Winter web site John Fahey gap questions Re: John Fahey gap questions Re: John Fahey gap questions Re: John Fahey gap questions Re: Winter & Winter web site Klezmer recommendations needed Re: John Fahey gap questions Improvisation: the television series Re: Odp: ornette's first band --& Paul Bley shibboleth Re: Klezmer recommendations needed Re: Klezmer recommendations needed BLUE RE:Winter & Winter web site? Mappings this week ARTO BROTZMANN Coitus Interruptus Re: Coitus Interruptus ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:50:35 -0400 From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey) Subject: Trying to contact: Wood Nick Please pardon the intrusion ... I'm trying to contact Wood Nick . If you're out there and you see this, please get in touch ASAP. I've been sending emails regarding your order with me and haven't heard back from you. Thanks - -Patrick pm.carey@utoronto.ca - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:53:49 -0400 From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey) Subject: Trying to contact: Olin Brownell Please pardon the intrusion ... I'm trying to contact Olin Brownell . If you're out there and you see this, please get in touch ASAP. I've been sending emails regarding your order with me and haven't heard back from you. Thanks - -Patrick pm.carey@utoronto.ca - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:38:11 EDT From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Thomas Chapin Box Set "Alive" In a message dated 5/14/00 9:39:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Poisonhead@aol.com writes: << I think this box set is in bad taste. I understand the set includes all eight recorded albums on KF and an extra EP of live music. The price is cheap and might be a great deal for someone that is just getting familiar with Mr. Chapin, but what about the people who own everything but the EP? KF knows they will want this as well and are in fact cashing in on a dead man, a very missed talented dead man...Bad taste!!! >> To tie another thread into this one, this is the sort of situation that begs for bootlegging/posting of mp3 files, etc. While I won't speculate the reasons behind KFW's reason for doing this, it does add a bit of fuel to the fire. - -- np: Collage- Moonshine (Polish prog that would likely make most people here gag) =dg= - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 15:30:47 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: if anyone's still interested orange county register article on napster, metallica, korn, offspring, etc. write private to ask me for a copy. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 18:14:39 -0400 From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Winter & Winter web site Hello All, Is there anywhere Winter & Winter web site? Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 18:35:01 -0400 From: Brian Olewnick Subject: John Fahey gap questions OK, here's the situation: After belatedly waking up to Fahey's marvelous music about three years ago, I've acquired several of his earliest releases ('Legend of Blind Joe Death', the 2nd one with 'Military Waltzes' in the title, 'Requia') and a few of his more recent ones, from 'God, Time and Causality' through 'City of Refuge', 'Womblife', etc. loving virtually all of it, from the country-bluesiest to the most bitterly atonal. I'm looking for recommendations of his things from @1968-88. I've heard tell that some are "failed experiments" which doesn't particularly put me off as a) I'm interested in hearing so-called failures by musicians I admire and b) of course, they may not be failures after all. Thanks, Brian Olewnick - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 15:51:06 -0700 From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: John Fahey gap questions when I first moved to california (1975) I went to a performance called GUITAR SUMMIT at UCLA's Royce Hall, primarily to see John Fahey...when he took the stage he walked up to the microphone and mumbled, "The performance I have chosen to play tonight takes over an hour and a half to perform, but they have told me I can only have 45 minutes. Thus, I am going to have to play this piece at double speed. Please bear with me." Then he proceeded to scorch the strings of his acoustic guitar at blistering speed for exactly 45 minutes and abruptly walked off stage to thunderous applause. Another one of those magic music moments. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 18:04:34 -0700 From: William Crump Subject: Re: John Fahey gap questions s~Z wrote: > when I first moved to california (1975) I went to a performance called > GUITAR SUMMIT at UCLA's Royce Hall, primarily to see John Fahey...when he > took the stage he walked up to the microphone and mumbled, "The performance > I have chosen to play tonight takes over an hour and a half to perform, but > they have told me I can only have 45 minutes. Thus, I am going to have to > play this piece at double speed. Please bear with me." Then he proceeded to > scorch the strings of his acoustic guitar at blistering speed for exactly 45 > minutes and abruptly walked off stage to thunderous applause. Another one of > those magic music moments. > > - That's interesting in light of the Epstein-Barr virus that laid him low for so long later on. If he ever thinks back to performances like that, I can only imagine the combination of bitterness and bemusement. Personally I find the music that he's had to physically struggle to play to be more interesting. William Crump ... totally blown away by the news of the Brotzmann Tentet coming to SF... anyone know the venue/date yet? - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 19:04:10 -0700 From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: John Fahey gap questions <<>> And I can't help but worry that good ole Tinseltown a bit further south will be snubbed. Especially in light of Vandermark's appearance in Santa Barbara a few years back before an audience of 6 of us in a tiny little bar. But I'm already negotiating a carpool with several friends if SF is as far south as they blow. - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 21:13:15 -0500 From: sergio luque Subject: Re: Winter & Winter web site Peter Gannushkin wrote: > Is there anywhere Winter & Winter web site? http://www.winter-winter.njetwork.de/ regards, ________________________________________________________________ sergio luque sergio@tomate.com.mx - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 22:48:25 -0400 From: "Neil H. Enet" Subject: Klezmer recommendations needed Hello list, having discovered Masada a few months ago, I'm in need of some good recommendations for Klezmer music. So here's what I need: - - Traditional Klezmer - - Wild Crazy Dissonant Klezmer - - Review of the CAMP STORIES soundtrack - - Anything similar to Masada's combination of Klezmer and Ornette (you know what I mean) - - Whatever you knowledged Zornsters (or whatever) have to recommend Thank you very much in advance, who else could I ask? :-) Neil H. Enet - ------------ - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 23:23:19 -0400 From: Matt Laferty Subject: Re: John Fahey gap questions Well, I'm a big fan of Fahey's "Railroad" (especially the track called "oneonta"--about Rt. 80 between Albany and Binghamton...he get's the mood of desolation just right...but maybe that's his best mood. Also dig "The Mill Pond" 2x7" ...don't know if it's on CD And "I Remember Blind Joe Death" kinda fixed me on the Fahey bandwagon about 8 or 9 years ago. Matt Brian Olewnick wrote: > OK, here's the situation: After belatedly waking up to Fahey's marvelous > music about three years ago, I've acquired several of his earliest > releases ('Legend of Blind Joe Death', the 2nd one with 'Military > Waltzes' in the title, 'Requia') and a few of his more recent ones, from > 'God, Time and Causality' through 'City of Refuge', 'Womblife', etc. > loving virtually all of it, from the country-bluesiest to the most > bitterly atonal. I'm looking for recommendations of his things from > @1968-88. I've heard tell that some are "failed experiments" which > doesn't particularly put me off as a) I'm interested in hearing > so-called failures by musicians I admire and b) of course, they may not > be failures after all. Thanks, > > Brian Olewnick > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 02:08:10 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Improvisation: the television series I saw the screening at Tonic tonight of the first two parts (of four) of Derek Bailey's 1991 television series, based on his book, and written and narrated by him for Channel Four in England. the shows were really interesting, with some highlights being: Douglas Ewart coming into a Chicago classroom of young kids (maybe 10 or 12 years old), and playing different horns and percussion instruments without speaking a word, while the kids gradually join in. as the kids started to really get into it, it sounded surprisingly coherent. John Zorn, with a really silly haircut (a crew cut with long hair in a ponytail in the back), being interviewed and equating his game pieces to Stockhausen's Plus/Minus, around which we got to see some sort of Cobra rehearsal which produced nothing of musical interest, at least what was shown. what I found especially funny was Bailey's introduction to this segment, which followed a segment on improv in modern-day classical music, focusing on a Mozart piece. Bailey said something like "and now to New York City, where some observers feel that John Zorn is having a Mozartian impact." those aren't the exact words, but that was the gist of it. some awesome Spanish flamenco dancing, with accompaniment by two guitars and some clapping. Stevie Wishart and Jim Denley playing some sort of medieval music, along with a singer and another stringed instrumentalist. a lot of focus on different strains of Indian music, some of which were great, some not as impressive. a Scottish church congregation singing improv vocals to a Psalm, all in unison. they weren't great singers, and they didn't care. pretty cool. Eddie Palmieri playing with his band at the Lone Star Cafe in NYC, in what seemed to me to be a subpar performance for them. the last two parts are next Monday, and I assume they'll delve into jazz, blues and African music, all of which were virtually ignored in these two episodes. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 11:02:10 CEST From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: Odp: ornette's first band --& Paul Bley >From: "Marcin Gokieli" > > so i wonder: is it really possible that anybody on this list does not > > enjoy ornette's first band?! or perhaps there was a band before the > > wonderful cherry/haden quartet that you're referring to? >BTW, i've heard that the first recordings of Coleman and Cherry are on an >album by Paul Bley. Is it true, and btw, can anybody tell me something >about >his stuff? > there are two albums with Paul Bley from the Hillcrest Club in Los Angeles - recorded Oct 1958. One is THE FABULOUS PAUL BLEY QUINTET and the other is COLEMAN CLASSICS. Itīs the classic Coleman Quartet plus Bley. The very first Coleman SOMETHING ELSE! is from Feb/Mar 1958 and a little bit older. I think all this stuff is worth to check it out and see one of Zornīs musical roots. Andreas Dietz ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 11:03:49 +0200 From: Marcel Cobussen Subject: shibboleth Hi everybody, Can someone help me? I'm looking for some information about Zorn's composition 'Shibboleth'. It's not available on CD, is it? Is it written for string quartet or not? When performed live, are there already some reviews on this piece? Did Zorn say anything about it already? I know Shibboleth was a password for the Jews once, but maybe somebody can tell me if Zorn made also a reference to a book by Jacques Derrida, which bears the same title. Any help is welcome!! Thanks - -- Marcel Cobussen Erasmus University Rotterdam FHKW Postbus 1738 3000 DR Rotterdam tel. 010-4082474 (work) tel. 010-2800081 (private) fax. 010-4089135 - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 11:38:52 +0200 From: patRice Subject: Re: Klezmer recommendations needed Neil H. Enet wrote: > > I'm in need of some good > recommendations for Klezmer music. > - Traditional Klezmer the klezmatics are somewhat in a traditional vein, i feel. but with a certain modern edge. i've seen them live, and it was very enjoyable. don't know which cd is best though. > - Wild Crazy Dissonant Klezmer there's quite a lot of that kinda stuff out on tzadik. the radical jewish culture series. one good point to start, i think, is the knitting factory 1993 klezmer compilation. masada is on it, plus about 10 other downtown klezmer-"ish" bands. hope this helps!? (but i'm sure there'll be lots more mails coming your/our way anyways...) patRice - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 20:41:45 +1000 From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Klezmer recommendations needed > > - Traditional Klezmer > > the klezmatics are somewhat in a traditional vein, i feel. but with a > certain modern edge. i've seen them live, and it was very enjoyable. > don't know which cd is best though. Klezmatics are on the "traditional" side of the more modern stuff, but is hardly really traditional considering their occasional use of odd little other styles, like chucking in latin rhythms or snippets of surf and rock, and their improvisation techniques. Their stuff is great technically but sometimes sounds a bit sterile. 2 of their best: "Jews With Horns" and "Rhythm & Jews". For something really trad. maybe try some of the old klezmer greats like Dave Tarras or Naftule Brandwein... > > - Wild Crazy Dissonant Klezmer > > there's quite a lot of that kinda stuff out on tzadik. the radical > jewish culture series. Yeah, definitely check out "Search For The Golden Dreydl" by Naftule's Dream, kind of like klezmer with a Zappa mentality. Also either David Krakauer album is great. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:17:28 +0200 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: BLUE Just got Bruford Levin Upper Extremites Live (with torn and botti). Nice kind of music. AMAZING rythm section - one with a real personal style. funny that they've been (more mor less) fired form King Crimson (btw their new cd is quite nice, especially the last imrovised tune, and gunn/mastelotto do very strange work) Marcin Gokieli marcing@mospan.pl <