From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #981 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Wednesday, June 28 2000 Volume 02 : Number 981 In this issue: - Re: Jazz poetry sound @ tzadik jazz actual/free jazz Re: Top 10 list appears to be revived Re: jazz actual/free jazz RE: sound @ tzadik June Sale Items (non-zorn) RE: Jazz Poetry Zorn in Spain? Re: sound @ tzadik Re: jazz actual/free jazz RE: sound @ tzadik RE: sound @ tzadik Litchfield Jazz Fest New P. Glass Album Suggested New CD Price "Scheme" Re: Suggested New CD Price "Scheme" RE: Suggested New CD Price "Scheme" Re: Suggested New CD Price "Scheme" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 23:47:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Novak Subject: Re: Jazz poetry >Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:38:10 -0400 >From: "&c." >Subject: Jazz Poetry > >The registers that are close to my voice picked up >really well. The high >not at all, the low a little better. I had to keep >the dynamics low so that >it would pick it up. Well here's the pure output. > >The first block is my alto and the second my bari: Hi, What a brilliant idea! I once goofed around with a similar program when it hadn't been "adjusted" to my voice yet and the surreal phrases it spit out as I spoke endlessly amused me. I really just thought that was the funniest thing I'd ever seen. I took it into chat room and I think people thought I was having a stroke or something. For whatever reason, never thought to play an instrument into it, as obvious as that seems now. Very interesting. Ducks do do do dada do english muffin we we long long. - ---Ryan N. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 03:40:08 +0200 From: "Rob Allaert" Subject: sound @ tzadik About www.tzadik.com: we desperately need some (a lot) soundbites to really get introduced to all the new music releases. Yeah ...... - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:10:03 PDT From: "William York" Subject: jazz actual/free jazz >The Jazzactuel box is an amazing document. I think its strengths are in the >selection (esp. including the Jeanne Lee/Archie Shepp composition "blase") >and sequencing of course, but also the combination of the liner notes (was >glad they weren't simply fact or > fact education based) with having all of >that music together for a cumulative effect. >The Jazzactuel box is an amazing document. I think its strengths are >in the selection (esp. including the Jeanne Lee/Archie Shepp composition >"blase") and sequencing of course, but also the combination of the liner >notes (was glad they weren't simply fact or > fact education based) with >having all of that music together for a cumulative effect. Yes, I liked this too, but wasn't wild about all the sequencing choices, especially the really noisy Sonny and Linda Sharrock thing coming after the relatively quiet Daevid Allen/Robert Wyatt song, kind of a mood-killer there. There are a copule of other moments like that, not sure if it was done on purpose (I'm guessing) or just a result of them doing the best they could (which I doubt). But overall it's well worth it, especially for the relatively low price. Also, what is the Cecil Taylor "Indent Vol. 2" mentioned on that list. I have the Indent solo piano CD and haven't heard of a vol. 2... WY ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:35:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "m. rizzi" Subject: Re: Top 10 list appears to be revived >To the people that were talking about Zorn's Top 10 Lists on the >Tzadik: It has been revived. Not exactly revived...those are the archives of the old lists, and the one you posted was for June 1998. We'll see if more current ones can be had. mike p.s. when referring to web content it is much better to note the URL rather than copying an entire web page. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:58:41 -0400 From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Re: jazz actual/free jazz William York wrote: > Also, what is the Cecil Taylor "Indent Vol. 2" mentioned on that list. I > have the Indent solo piano CD and haven't heard of a vol. 2... I'm dredging this up from ancient memories, so I may be off, but originally (around 1974) there were two issues on Cecil's Unit Core label, 'Indent' and 'Spring of Two Blue J's'. My recollection is that the inner sleeve on 'Indent' (my copy of which was spirited off by a supposed friend) indicated a third release was in the works. I _think_ it was a large ensemble work, possibly a student orchestra, but I'm wondering if it may have been titled, 'Indent, Vol. 2'. Just a guess. Brian Olewnick - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 16:44:01 -0600 From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S) " Subject: RE: sound @ tzadik >About www.tzadik.com: we desperately need some (a lot) soundbites to >really get introduced to all the new music releases. Yeah ...... I would second this. As much legal difficulties as MP3s have caused I still find sound bites really usefull. Being in Colorado I use the internet a good deal for CD shopping and music info. I think that for a - comparatively - small label like Tzadik sound bites can help tremendously. Matt Wirzbicki - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:52:02 -0400 From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey) Subject: June Sale Items (non-zorn) I have the following items for sale that some on this list may be interested in. All prices _US $_. POSTAGE PAID within North America. Shipping on orders outside NA can be arranged. If you don't like a price, make me an OFFER. $30 -- Christoph Heemann - "Invisible Barrier" US CD (Extreme: xcd019) = 1993 [Excellent Heemann release on Extreme. His first major solo out= ing (after the Robot 10") recorded in 1992. Long out of print.] $12 -- Ground Zero - "Revolutionary Pekinese Opera ver. 1.50" US 7" (Gentle Giant) 1996 [Rec. in Tokyo, March 1995 with the same lineup as the Trigram disc plus Tanaka Yumiko (gidayu-shamisen, voice). Flip is Otomo, Eye, Hideki, Junji & Masahiro live @ 20,000V, Tokyo, 3/1/92. Limited (925/1000). Out of print.] $10 -- Ground Zero/B=E4stard - "Live Mao '99/Pinball Tenacity" FR 7" (Pandemonium) 1996 [3rd installment in the "Erase Yer Head" ser= ies. GZ cut is from Shibuya, Tokyo, 8/95. Same lineup as the other 7= " plus Heiner Goebbels (live, not sampled, piano). B=E4stard are = a French 5-piece (gtr/dms/bass/tapes/tt etc.). Gatefold sleeve w/ full color artwork & inserts. Out of print.] $20 -- Hanatarash - "4: Aids-A-Delic" US CD (Public Bath: pbcd3) 1992 [33 tracks, 70 min. of cut-up/noise/vocal insanity from Eye & Co= . First pressing with multicolor "ocean/sea" collage artwork.] $35 -- Ice - "Under The Skin" US CD (Pathological: path11cd) 1993 [K. Martin (vocals, samples, tenor sax), J. Broadrick (guitar, programming), A. Buess (tenor sax), Dave Cochrane (bass), and J. Jobbagy (drums). Stark electronics, fractured dub, bleak funk, blunted out-hop. Essential. Mint. Long out of print.] $ 8 -- Masonna - "Masonanie Viva Los Angeles" US 7" (P-Tapes) 1993 [Green vinyl. Limited & numbered (804/1005) w/ insert. 2 of Maso's first US live performances from 11/23-24/93.] more at: [ http://www.astro.utoronto.ca/~carey/sofa/muse.html ] Thanks for looking. - -Patrick pm.carey@utoronto.ca - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 16:53:40 -0600 From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S) " Subject: RE: Jazz Poetry >The registers that are close to my voice picked up really well. The >high not at all, the low a little better. I had to keep the dynamics low >so that it would pick it up. Well here's the pure output. It's interesting to me that it came up with so many and's and double "oo" sounds. to, do etc. But I wonder how it turned saxophone playing into words like "england." I wonder if it is more attentive to pitch, duration, timber, or what. Matt Wirzbicki - - ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jun 2000 05:59:25 +0200 From: Trozo Subject: Zorn in Spain? Hi I just joined this list. I=B4m from Madrid (Spain). I=B4ve been into = music all my life only recently discovering the great J.Zorn. I'm into = playing myself, but not even close to that level :) = I recently saw a concert in Madrid that Zorn was supposed to have played,= only he didn't come because of the death of his mother, the other = musicians were great and played some Zorn's compositions for piano, = violonchelo and violin. I loved the concert. Anybody know if he has plans for another tour in Europe that would bring = him to Spain? Also, I really like Naked City's first album (The only one = that I've heard yet). Does J.Zorn still play similar stuff? I'd really = love to see him live playing that kind of stuff... Thanks!, - -Jorge - -- /----*----+-| trozo@retemail.es |------------------------\ | ******* | =A1=A1ESPABILA CHAVAL!!| = = | *** | http://www.makasoft.net | \--*---*--+----------------------------------------------/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 23:52:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "m. rizzi" Subject: Re: sound @ tzadik I don't mean to be a dick about this, but I asked that these comments be sent to me PRIVATELY and not to the list. thanks. mike >I would second this. As much legal difficulties as MP3s have caused I still >find sound bites really usefull. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:08:00 +0200 (MET DST) From: Steve Berman Subject: Re: jazz actual/free jazz >>>>> "Brian" == Brian Olewnick writes: Brian> William York wrote: >> Also, what is the Cecil Taylor "Indent Vol. 2" mentioned on >> that list. I have the Indent solo piano CD and haven't heard of >> a vol. 2... Brian> I'm dredging this up from ancient memories, so I may be Brian> off, but originally (around 1974) there were two issues on Brian> Cecil's Unit Core label, 'Indent' and 'Spring of Two Blue Brian> J's'. My recollection is that the inner sleeve on 'Indent' Brian> (my copy of which was spirited off by a supposed friend) Brian> indicated a third release was in the works. I _think_ it Brian> was a large ensemble work, possibly a student orchestra, Brian> but I'm wondering if it may have been titled, 'Indent, Vol. Brian> 2'. Just a guess. Perhaps "Indent Vol. 2" refers to the parts of "Indent" that originally appeared together with "Lono" on the Japanese Trio label. This record was reissued on CD by Konnex together with the last part of "Akisakila" -- on the CD it says Vol. 2 if memory serves (Vol. 1 being the first part of "Akisakila"). According to Richard Shapiro's pretty exhaustive Cecil Taylor sessionography , these are the only recordings bearing the title "Indent". (Note Shapiro has the Unit Core release of "Indent" with the album title "Mysteries".) - --Steve Berman - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:22:21 +0200 From: "Artur Nowak" Subject: RE: sound @ tzadik > About www.tzadik.com: we desperately need some (a lot) soundbites > to really > get introduced to all the new music releases. Yeah ...... Tzadik was supposed to introduce Liquid Audio (Kazunori Sugiyama told me that), it allows you to donwload full track with CD quality for 50 cents or so. You can then burn it to a CDR yourself, it will be legal. So, you will get full-quality "sample" of the album, if you will like it, you can even download the whole CD. But if you use dial-up connection to internet, the charge for this download will cover the price of few normal albums... Liquid Audio is supposed to be a kind of response to MP3. Because of low transmission rates, it's not an alternative for most people. __________________________________________________________________ Artur Nowak [arno at emd dot pl] www.emd.pl - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:21:12 +0200 From: "Artur Nowak" Subject: RE: sound @ tzadik > About www.tzadik.com: we desperately need some (a lot) soundbites > to really > get introduced to all the new music releases. Yeah ...... Tzadik was supposed to introduce Liquid Audio (Kazunori Sugiyama told me that), it allows you to donwload full track with CD quality for 50 cents or so. You can then burn it to a CDR yourself, it will be legal. So, you will get full-quality "sample" of the album, if you will like it, you can even download the whole CD. But if you use dial-up connection to internet, the charge for this download will cover the price of few normal albums... Liquid Audio is supposed to be a kind of response to MP3. Because of low transmission rates, it's not an alternative for most people. __________________________________________________________________ Artur Nowak [arno at emd dot pl] www.emd.pl - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:19:28 -0400 From: "&c." Subject: Litchfield Jazz Fest I recently got a pamphlet for the Litchfield Jazz Festival in Connecticut. I noticed that the Dave Douglas Quartet was on the bill. I'm not familiar with many of the performers, with the exception of Ray Charles, Joshua Redman, and Paquito D'Rivera . Are there any other good acts playing? Zach - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:24:22 -0400 From: "Ljova" Subject: New P. Glass Album Picked up a new album of Glass works the other day -- am really enjoying it. Contents: Symphony #3 (for strings) -- a great piece, which I heard live in New York several years ago. The third movement is gorgeous. It seems that Glass has gone from developing triads to working with chromatic scales. Interesting dissonances. Interludes #1 and 2 from "The Civil WarS" -- very nice. Mechanical Ballet from the Voyage and a truly magnificent work "The Light", a 20+ minute fantasy in F-major. Very inspired. All played very well by the Stuttgart Chamber Orchestra and the Vienna Radio Symphony, conducted by Dennis Russell Davies. Check it out. - -Ljova - -------- Lev "Ljova" Zhurbin L@Ljova.com http://Ljova.com/ Listen to my music: http://mp3.com/Ljova/ (improvisations) http://mp3.com/LevZhurbin/ (compositions) http://mp3.com/FreeBach/ (Free Bach Project) "Do not fear mistakes - there are none." -Miles Davis - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:27:38 -0400 From: "Ljova" Subject: Suggested New CD Price "Scheme" Hi. I realized yesterday that I spend a lot of time listening to music on mp3.com. Some of it is great, some of it not. But it is new music that comes for free, and I can listen to it as much as I want. In the stores, all that comes free is the listening stations, and they seldom have any good music on, mostly just stuff that they're paid to promote. So this got me thinking -- what if the labels/retailers agreed to this: You may sample all tracks on an album via an online portal for $5.99 ... if you decide that you like 'em, you can order the CD (or download Liquid Audio) for a discounted price of roughly another $5.99. Would this be cool with most of you? What would be the un-merits of such a scheme? Why wouldn't the labels agree? Thanks, Ljova - -------- Lev "Ljova" Zhurbin L@Ljova.com http://Ljova.com/ Listen to my music: http://mp3.com/Ljova/ (improvisations) http://mp3.com/LevZhurbin/ (compositions) http://mp3.com/FreeBach/ (Free Bach Project) "Do not fear mistakes - there are none." -Miles Davis - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:54:45 EDT From: DRoyko@aol.com Subject: Re: Suggested New CD Price "Scheme" In a message dated 00-06-28 16:31:21 EDT, you write: >So this got me thinking -- what if the labels/retailers agreed to this: >You may sample all tracks on an album via an online portal for $5.99 ... if >you decide that you like 'em, you can order the CD (or download Liquid >Audio) for a discounted price of roughly another $5.99. I say move back to the future, and make sampling the entire album a no-cost activity, such as what existed up until 40 or 50 years ago in record stores via listening booths. Then, charge whatever you want to charge to download it, but certainly make it less expensive than buying a CD, since in that case you are also paying for materials, manufaturing, distribution and some version of retail storage space. But if someone wants to charge me to sample, I'll be sampling far fewer items, and thus buying far fewer items. Dave Royko - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:19:36 -0400 From: "Jim McLoughlin" Subject: RE: Suggested New CD Price "Scheme" > I say move back to the future, and make sampling the entire album > a no-cost > activity, such as what existed up until 40 or 50 years ago in > record stores > via listening booths. This still goes on at some record stores. The "Plan 9" Record chain in Virginia (mainly Charlottesville) has CD stations where they will slyly open a CD (without breaking any of the hologram or label stickers), and let you listen to it. I used to spend hours at these stations. Their selection is decent, nothing too obscure though. Anyone know of other stores that still do this ? J - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:27:29 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Suggested New CD Price "Scheme" On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 05:19:36PM -0400, Jim McLoughlin wrote: > > I say move back to the future, and make sampling the entire album > > a no-cost > > activity, such as what existed up until 40 or 50 years ago in > > record stores > > via listening booths. > > This still goes on at some record stores. The "Plan 9" Record chain in > Virginia (mainly Charlottesville) has CD stations where they will slyly open > a CD (without breaking any of the hologram or label stickers), and let you > listen to it. I used to spend hours at these stations. Their selection is > decent, nothing too obscure though. > > Anyone know of other stores that still do this ? I believe they do this at Now Music and Fashion in Clarendon, perhaps the last avant-friendly locally-owned CD shop in the DC area. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #981 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". 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