From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #3 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Thursday, August 3 2000 Volume 03 : Number 003 In this issue: - (MZC) Concert in Seattle on 8/12 Re: trumpet vs. cornet Re: about Merzbow ground zero last concert Alas poor Angus we hardly knew ye... Angus... Not again! otomo plays yamashita / k. abe : rec's requested Re: Eskelin Query Caine Review Re: otomo plays yamashita / k. abe : rec's requested Re: trumpet vs. cornet Re: trumpet vs. cornet Re: trumpet vs. cornet Re: trumpet vs. cornet Re: trumpet vs. cornet "experimental cuba" Re: "experimental cuba" Re: "experimental cuba" Re: "experimental cuba" Re: "experimental cuba" Re: "experimental cuba" Re: ground zero last concert ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:15:50 -0700 From: "James Kirchmer" Subject: (MZC) Concert in Seattle on 8/12 To all you Zorn heads in the Northwest, I write to let y'all know about a cool upcomin' show in Seattle. So, without further adieu, here's the deal: (and btw, "MZC" stands for "Marginal Zorn Content") * On Saturday, August 12th, Peruvian Night Train Productions presents: THREE DAY STUBBLE {San Francisco nerd-rock and beyond...} VERY SPECIAL FORCES (Seattle - feat. Tim Young of Zony Mash) KATO HIDEKI [Japan via NYC - with special guest(s)!] * at the RAINBOW (NOT the Tractor as initially advertised, FYI...) 722 NE 45th St. (@ Interstate 5) - 634-1761 10pm showtime ~ $7 DOS tickets www.threedaystubble.com www.veryspecialforces.com http://www.xtr.com/extreme/kato.htm On a long-term mission to confront, confuse and ultimately comfort its battle-scarred audience, Three Day Stubble combines the most eccentric extremes of Houston (the band's birthplace) and San Francisco (its adopted home). Dressed in garish, clashing polyester plaids, the group's self-actualization campaign has sometimes been hindered by the false impression that its music is a joke. In the long run, Stubble's aggressive lack of ego is more radically unsettling than all the razor blades and spiked dog collars in punkdom. -- THE TROUSER PRESS GUIDE "Comparisons and smiles abound when Very Special Forces take to the stage. Their humorous, anything goes, rock-opera-styled pop is wide-ranging, ala Ween, and often outrageously re-arranged & vocalized, a la Mr. Bungle. You'll quickly realize, though, that describing these livewires along other band's lines just doesn't cut it." - THE STRANGER (SEATTLE) Any Questions? contact James at 206-322-1783 or jamesk@onebox.com Rainbow website: www.gogoweb.com/rainbow - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 00:40:49 +0100 From: "ian r watson" Subject: Re: trumpet vs. cornet As someone who plays the trumpet I should know, ..but how to describe it ....mmm ? ..a cornet is maybe halfway between trumpet and flugelhorn...the flug being the most mellow sounding of the three...........it's still difficult to make out the difference on many discs......some trumpet players (Chet Baker) have a soft tone in between these instruments......Kenny Wheeler plays all three.......I can never tell when he's playing cornet although his trumpet and flug are fairly distinct. Don Cherry plays cornet on a few of those 60's albums but without being told that I'm not sure I could distinguish between the pocket trumpet....confused ?..........people like Rob Mazurek play cornet nowadays and have that mellow trumpet sound........it all gets a bit blurred or maybe my ears are getting bad..........hope this helps.........Ian - ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Hewins To: Zorn List Sent: 02 August 2000 18:19 Subject: trumpet vs. cornet > Can someone describe the difference in sound (as you hear it) between > a trumpet and a cornet? > > Thanks, > Dan Hewins > > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 19:56:56 -0400 From: Zach Griffin Subject: Re: about Merzbow I too would be interested in the Masami Akita writings. So if it isn't any trouble, please send this info my way as well. I get the zornlist in digest form. So if it has already been said to the whole list and I haven't recieved the digest volume yet. Then I apologize. Zach Griffin - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 21:10:19 -0400 From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: ground zero last concert In the course of looking up some info on Otomo, I ran across a translation of the liner notes from the Last Concert CD at http://www.japanimprov.com/yotomo/groundzero/lastnotes-e.html. Definitely worth reading. The whole Japanese Free Improvisers site has moved to http://www.japanimprov.com, if you want to update your bookmarks/links pages. - -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. - -- Satchel Paige - - ------------------------------ Date: 3 Aug 2000 01:41:01 -0000 From: "Tim Keenliside" Subject: Alas poor Angus we hardly knew ye... For anyone who is actually interested in what might have set Angus MacLise apart from all the patchouli indolent, drug addled hippies of the era, please check out: http://www.lamontyoung.com/AMO.HTM "Young people wonder how the adult world can be so boring. The secret is that it is not boring to adults because they have learnt to enjoy simple things like covert malice at one another's expense. That is why they talk so much about the value of human understanding and sympathy. It has a certain rarity value in their world." Celi _____________________________________________________________ Email your boss can't read - sign up for free disinfo.net email at http://www.disinfo.com, your gateway to the underground - - ------------------------------ Date: 3 Aug 2000 01:48:29 -0000 From: "Tim Keenliside" Subject: Angus... Sorry, the link should be: http://www.lamontyoung.com/AMOO.HTM ...and the quote is from Celia Green, don't know why but my emails seem to show up missing the last 7 characters, which means that you never. _____________________________________________________________ Email your boss can't read - sign up for free disinfo.net email at http://www.disinfo.com, your gateway to the underground - - ------------------------------ Date: 3 Aug 2000 01:57:26 -0000 From: "Tim Keenliside" Subject: Not again! http://www.lamonteyoung.com/AM00.HTM Sorry! Too much patchouli smoke and drug addling during my mispent youth _____________________________________________________________ Email your boss can't read - sign up for free disinfo.net email at http://www.disinfo.com, your gateway to the underground - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 01:45:59 CDT From: "Kristopher S. Handley" Subject: otomo plays yamashita / k. abe : rec's requested Of the many available recordings---pref. on CD---of Kaoru (Kaol) Abe, I was wondering if anyone could recommend and/or describe them to me. I asked this question once before, but I believe it was quite some time ago (I had no luck dredging the archives), and before the fairly recent release of much of the PSF stuff. (Is this reissue material from the DIW 10-vol. initial posthumous releases? Or is all the PSF stuff additional to the DIW?) I was particularly drawn to the slightly pricey ABE, KAOL, Partitas Unfinished [VIVID SOUND (JAPAN)],2CD, "New reissue of Kaol (or Kaoru) Abe's Well Tempered Alto-Saxophone Suite. It was recorded in March of 1973, but Abe considered it unfinished and it was not issued until 11 years after his death, in 1989." [from forcedexposure.com] Sorry, too, if I simply missed discussion of this: YOSHIHIDE, OTOMO, Plays The Music of Takeo Yamashita [P-VINE RECORDS] (JAPAN) "Yamashita was a composer who among other things wrote music for various Japanese TV shows..." I noticed it's Otomo's "New Jazz Quintet". What does it sound like? Hrvatski wavered a little. Is it all power, all the time? Thanks in advance, as always, - -----s ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 09:59:39 CEST From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: Eskelin Query >My personal favorite of the three (?) to date is easily KULAK 29 & 30, >which >is about an hour or so of Eskelin's (rather longish) compositions, recorded >live. ONE GREAT DAY... and FIVE OTHER PIECES (+2) finish second and third. thereīs a fourth one 'Ramifications' which was released recently. The trio is added by Joe Daley on tuba and Erik Friedlander on cello. Unfortunately, I havenīt heard it so far. Andreas ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:21:55 +0200 (MET DST) From: stephen.fruitman@idehist.umu.se (Stephen Fruitman) Subject: Caine Review My review of the Uri Caine Goldberg project has just been put up on the Motion website. Have a look, =B4cuz I sure do love this record and want people to know about it. http://motion.state51.co.uk/reviews/639.html All the best, Stephen - --------- Richard Pettersson Department of History of Science and Ideas Ume=E5 University S-901 87 Ume=E5, Sweden Phone: +46 90 786 99 38 Telfax: 046 90 14 33 74 E-mail: Richard.Pettersson@histstud.umu.se - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 10:18:25 -0400 From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: otomo plays yamashita / k. abe : rec's requested >wondering if anyone could recommend and/or describe them to me. Other Music has RealAudio samples of the Abe available, along with a lot of other interesting material. Lang - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:52:29 -0400 From: Dan Hewins Subject: Re: trumpet vs. cornet This is the kind of confusion I experience... I once thought that the cornet was a harsher sound which would put the trumpet between the cornet and the flugelhorn (which is easy to hear as different than the other two). Except that on a scale of 1 to 10 where flugel is 1 and cornet is 10, I'd place the trumpet at 9.5. I can't really tell the difference. I thought I could a little when I first heard the Herbie Hancock album "Empyrean Isles" where Freddie Hubbard plays the cornet but I don't know... Is the fact that there are two different instruments a historical issue or something else? Dan Hewins At 12:40 AM +0100 8/3/00, ian r watson wrote: >sound........it all gets a bit blurred or maybe my ears are getting >bad..........hope this helps.........Ian >----- Original Message ----- >From: Dan Hewins >To: Zorn List >Sent: 02 August 2000 18:19 >Subject: trumpet vs. cornet > > >> Can someone describe the difference in sound (as you hear it) between > > a trumpet and a cornet? - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:53:20 -0400 From: Dan Hewins Subject: Re: trumpet vs. cornet Can someone describe what a "brassy" sound is? ><< Can someone describe the difference in sound (as you hear it) between >a trumpet and a cornet? >> > >The trumpet has a much more "brassy" sound than does the cornet. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:16:41 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: trumpet vs. cornet On Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 10:53:20AM -0400, Dan Hewins wrote: > Can someone describe what a "brassy" sound is? > > ><< Can someone describe the difference in sound (as you hear it) between > >a trumpet and a cornet? >> > > > >The trumpet has a much more "brassy" sound than does the cornet. I suspect that "brassy" means sounding more like a trumpet than like a cornet. :-) - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 08:27:36 -0700 From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: trumpet vs. cornet http://library.thinkquest.org/10693/difference.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:29:31 EDT From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: trumpet vs. cornet In a message dated 8/3/00 10:56:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dan@synsolutions.com writes: << Can someone describe what a "brassy" sound is? >> Hmmm...that's a good question. You play an instrument for years (trombone for me) and never expect to get hit with that one... I suspect one could go into the physics of the sound differences- the harmonics, overtones, etc., something I'm not very well versed in. I guess the best description is the attribute of a "bell-like" sound to its sound character- if that makes any sense. - -- =dg= - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:53:53 -0400 From: "Neil H. Enet" Subject: "experimental cuba" Hello list, after listening to Buena Vista Social Club, I came to the conclusion that cuban music was something worth studying.... so, I decided to give the "experimental side" of it a try. I purchased Marc Ribot y los CUbanos Postizos Last album and liked it a lot, so I bought their first album and Bill Laswell's Imaginary Cuba. They're relly great and I was wondering what other "experimental" (or simply wonderful/great) cuban music CDs you'd recommend. Thanks in advance Neil - ---- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 01:10:25 +0200 From: 2L Subject: Re: "experimental cuba" > and Bill Laswell's Imaginary Cuba. I'm wondering how this one sounds like? Are the cuban roots still there or are the ambient and/or dub sounds the biggest part of it? In other words, is the Laswell translation far away from the original tunes or not? Same question with the translations of Irish Music Laswell recently put out if somebody has an answer to submit. TIA Laurent SDZ - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 16:12:02 -0700 From: Reuben Radding Subject: Re: "experimental cuba" Try Eddie Palmieri & Friends - Live At The University of Puerto Rico. Good salsa. Very out at times, IMHO. - -RR - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 00 17:48:25 -0600 From: Douglas Tapia Subject: Re: "experimental cuba" >> and Bill Laswell's Imaginary Cuba. > >I'm wondering how this one sounds like? Are the cuban roots still there or >are the >ambient and/or dub sounds the biggest part of it? In other words, is the >Laswell >translation far away from the original tunes or not? These are really nice mixes of a variety of great "street recordings." Laswell layers different recordings and applies his regular "atmosphere" (big reverbs, delays, environmental sounds, etc.) There are some really nice bi-tonalitys and polyrythmic things that happen as a result of Laswell's combination of carefully selected bits of material. Also, there is less dub style playing on this one (though I would describe the production style as "progressive dub"--sorry about that) All in all, I feel that "Imaginary Cuba" approaches Cuban music with the respect and understanding that this music deserves. FWIW, "Imaginary Cuba" along with "Hallucination Engine" are probably my favorite Laswell CDs for pure listening enjoyment, though "Hallucination Engine" is perhaps more of a Scopoletus (sp?) CD than anything else. - -Doug n.p. Coltrane "Crecent" - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 00:08:43 GMT From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: Re: "experimental cuba" >From: 2L >>and Bill Laswell's Imaginary Cuba. > >I'm wondering how this one sounds like? Are the cuban roots still there or >are the >ambient and/or dub sounds the biggest part of it? Laswell has a number Cuban project called Havana Mood, which has Cuban musicians playing straight up. He and Jean Touitou did a remix of that session called Rhum n' Bass. Both are packaged together released by APC, and I think Bruce Gallanter has copies at Downtown Music. Imaginary Cuba is better than Rhum n' Bass, though Havana Mood is a good one to have. >Same question with the >translations of Irish Music Laswell recently put out if somebody has an >answer to >submit. I'd give this one a miss. The remix ends up sounding pretty "New Agey." I've only played my copy once and can't bring myself to try it again. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 20:27:52 EDT From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: "experimental cuba" In a message dated Thu, 3 Aug 2000 6:53:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Neil H. Enet" writes: << I was wondering what other "experimental" (or simply wonderful/great) cuban music CDs you'd recommend. Thanks in advance >> 1999's Tony Martinez and The Cuban Power's _Mafarefun_ is absolutely phenomenal- one of the best Latin jazz CDs ever, IMO. Tito Puente/Eddie Palmieri's just-released _Masterpiece/Obra Maestra_ is a great fusion of Latin dance and jazz with a wall of horns. Irakere is hit and miss, but the _Best of_ on Columbia and _Live at Ronnie Scott's_ are both great outings. Puente's _Mambo Birdland_ is another worth checking out. Chucho Valdes and Paquito Rivera (both ex-Irakere) both have several albums worth checking out. Cubanismo! have 3 CDs of pre-Castro-styled music that are all wonderful. NG LaBanda (an offshoot of Irakere) have 3 CDs that are great. Machete Ensemble...did I mention them...? I'll think of more in the next few hours...;-) - - =dg= - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 00:32:37 GMT From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: Re: ground zero last concert >From: "Caleb T. Deupree" >In the course of looking up some info on Otomo, I ran across a translation >of the liner notes from the Last Concert CD at >http://www.japanimprov.com/yotomo/groundzero/lastnotes-e.html. Definitely >worth reading. I agree. I particularly concur with Sasaki's interpretation of the piece as follows (even though he backs off of it in the next paragraph, unfortunately): "Surely, though, that was what Otomo intended. This was the performance in which he literally let us hear the process of Ground Zero's "dissolving." This album records the transformation of the aggregate called Ground Zero from an orchestra to an oscillator. Towards the end of the gig, the sine waves surge like the waves of the sea, washing over the entire performance. Finally, only sound remains." ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #3 ***************************** To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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