From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #9 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Friday, August 11 2000 Volume 03 : Number 009 In this issue: - Re: Soft Machine rec's requested don't blame me, disappeared Outsider Music Mailing List Re: Soft Machine rec's requested Re: Soft Machine rec's requested Re: Soft Machine rec's requested Re: don't blame me, disappeared Gustafsson/Drake Re: Soft Machine rec's requested Re: Soft Machine rec\\\'s requested Re: Soft Machine rec\\\'s requested Re: Luc Ferrari Re: Ken Vandermark Re: David Moss - Full House & Dense Band. masada live in sevilla 2000 (tzadik) Re: masada live in sevilla 2000 (tzadik) Re: Ken Vandermark Re: Ken Vandermark Osaka, anyone? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:22:35 EDT From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Soft Machine rec's requested In a message dated Thu, 10 Aug 2000 5:53:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Kristopher S. Handley" writes: << I've only the faintest memories of hearing one of the Soft Machine albums, years ago; it knocked me out, and when I came to, I didn't bother getting any of their records! Recommendations, please, as to your favorite picks among the "numbered" albums. >> Being the Wyatt fan, I can heartily endorse 1, 2, & 3. 1 & 2 are currently available as a 2 on 1 CD... Being the Holdsworth fan too, I must also suggest a copy of _Bundles_ be a part of your library. - -- =dg= - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:46:52 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: don't blame me, disappeared Theo requests that >someone give ... a detailed description of [Don't Blame Me] well, the word 'detailed' makes me nervous, but, ok. if you've looked at the track list, you've no doubt noticed that it's a lot of old songs. it's a really nice solo accoustic record, with his usual quirks in timing and playing. some of the best playing captured on record. if you like his cubanos or bar khoba playing, you'll probably like this, although it's not the same vibratofest. maybe my fave of his. pisses me off, tho, that i saw a nice cardboard gatefold sleeve after i already had the jewel box version. bill then asked "How is this one Kurt?" with reference to "spring heel jack - disappeared," to which i have no intelligent answer. not only do i not know their other work, i really don't listen to enough d'n'b to say anything smart. i like it, tho. some nice atmospherics along with the expected beats. the added accoustic instrumentalists are, i'd think, what allow me to listen all the way through. np: eugene chadbourne: chad-born again (house of chadula cdr rerelease) - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:53:46 -0400 From: Lang Thompson Subject: Outsider Music Mailing List http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm Just starting so I hope any interested people will join. Thanks, LT - ------------------------------------------- Adventures In Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm Funhouse http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/funhouse.htm "Where Do You Want to Go Today" Somewhere you can never take me! - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:53:34 EDT From: TagYrIt@aol.com Subject: Re: Soft Machine rec's requested In a message dated 8/10/00 5:53:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thesubtlebody@hotmail.com writes: << I've only the faintest memories of hearing one of the Soft Machine albums, years ago; it knocked me out, and when I came to, I didn't bother getting any of their records! Recommendations, please, as to your favorite picks among the "numbered" albums. >> I'm quite familiar with the entire Soft Machine catalog, and while it isn't one of the "numbered" recordings, the album Alive and Well Recorded In Paris is absolutely essential for any 70's fusion fan. Dale. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:02:13 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Soft Machine rec's requested On Thu, Aug 10, 2000 at 07:53:34PM -0400, TagYrIt@aol.com wrote: > I'm quite familiar with the entire Soft Machine catalog, and while it isn't > one of the "numbered" recordings, the album Alive and Well Recorded In Paris > is absolutely essential for any 70's fusion fan. I agree, it's my fave of theirs. Long ago, I had a 4 (?) LP set of various oddities of theirs. What I recall most fondly was a BBC recording of "The Moon in June". - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:32:54 EDT From: TagYrIt@aol.com Subject: Re: Soft Machine rec's requested In a message dated 8/10/00 7:57:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jzitt@metatronpress.com writes: << Long ago, I had a 4 (?) LP set of various oddities of theirs. What I recall most fondly was a BBC recording of "The Moon in June". >> 3 LP box, with a great booklet, called Triple Echo, which as far as I know was British only. Dale. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:53:01 +1000 From: "Julian" Subject: Re: don't blame me, disappeared > well, the word 'detailed' makes me nervous, but, ok. if you've looked at the > track list, you've no doubt noticed that it's a lot of old songs. it's a really > nice solo accoustic record, with his usual quirks in timing and playing. some of > the best playing captured on record. if you like his cubanos or bar khoba > playing, you'll probably like this, although it's not the same vibratofest. Let me just add that it is very disjointed - while it is a solo record, Marc doesn't go out of his way to do the typical 'jazz guitar' chords and melody thing. By the way, he doesn't play an acoustic, does he? I think he's playing a 335 or something like that. The mention of the Cuban project and Bar Kokhba above may be a bit misleading, Don't Blame Me never really gets that 'nice' (of course, I'm not saying that like it's a bad thing)... - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:37:22 EDT From: "Bruno Bissonnette" Subject: Gustafsson/Drake A few digest ago someone posted that they'd like to get a hold of the now out-of-print Okkadisk CD "For Don Cherry" duet by Gustafsson/Drake. Well, I have a copy (numbered #400 out of 600) that I might let go at the right price, if anybody's still interested. Bruno ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:42:00 EDT From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Soft Machine rec's requested In a message dated Thu, 10 Aug 2000 8:34:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, TagYrIt@aol.com writes: << In a message dated 8/10/00 7:57:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jzitt@metatronpress.com writes: << Long ago, I had a 4 (?) LP set of various oddities of theirs. What I recall most fondly was a BBC recording of "The Moon in June". >> 3 LP box, with a great booklet, called Triple Echo, which as far as I know was British only. >> Which also included both sides of those first two great Soft Machine singles, one of which was "Love Makes Sweet Music"- probably my favorite pop single of all time. Why this has never seen a legit re-issue is beyond me. A 30-second bit of it as introduced by John Peel appeared on a Gong compilation a while back (_History and Mystery_ is the title, I think...) , but nothing since then. A real shame!! - -- =dg= - - ------------------------------ Date: 11 Aug 2000 02:06:20 -0000 From: "Tim Keenliside" Subject: Re: Soft Machine rec\\\'s requested "Kristopher S. Handley" writes: > ><< I've only the faintest memories of hearing one of the Soft Machine albums, years ago; it knocked me out, and when I came to, I didn't bother getting any of their records! Recommendations, please, as to your favorite picks among the "numbered" albums. Soft Machine S/T (#1): Hendrix-influenced, full blown psychedelic rock, whimsical Syd Barrett songs interpolated with high energy organ-driven power trio pyrotechnics (check out that solo on Lullaby Letter, best guitar solo ever played on an organ!) Soft Machine Volume 2: New, more competent bass player, some horn charts, moving into jazzier terrain, great suite on Side 2 (Esther's Nose Job) Soft Machine Third: The expanded 'jazz' Machine with Elton Dean sax and 2 other horn players, one 'song' per side, this was definitely their peak moment, although Robert Wyatt's wonderful whimsical singing is now restricted to his own composition, Moon In June, which also features a cool rock'n'roll minimalist ending. Soft Machine Fourth: The last one with Wyatt, no singing allowed now, we're serious musicians, and with his departure goes some of the much needed levity. Still some good moments here, the side 2 Hugh Hopper penned 'Virtually' is worthwhile. Soft Machine Fifth: avoid! The drummer on side 1 is shite, and although John Marshall rescues the proceedings on side 2, it still doesn't amount to much. They must have been in a hurry to put this one out... Soft Machine Six: The addition of Karl Jenkins (ex-Nucleus) with the Babbington-Marshall rhythm section seems to revitalise things somewhat, but they're still trying to be a serious jazz band here, totally against the spirit in which the group began. Definitely worth a listen, but not their best work... Soft Machine Seven: Last album with original organist Mike Ratledge, a really good prog jazz-rock fusion album. Still, it seems as though Jenkins ended up taking over artistic control of the group, and turning it into something completely different. They should have changed the name after this! (P.S. Jenkins writes and plays sappy new age music now, i.e. De Beers diamond commercials and Adimeus) Yes, the Holdsworth band definitely had its moments, but it is certainly not stuff I can listen to now. The earlier albums definitely stand the test of time! I bought Vol. 2 in '69 and ended up buying all the other albums pretty much as they came out...There are some good live recordings with the 69-72 bands, notably 'Live At the Paradiso'. So after 30 odd years I can still enjoy Vol. 1 & 2 (great to have on 1 CD!), Thirds, Fourth, plus don't forget Robert Wyatt's solo work, Rock Bottom, End Of An Ear, Shleep _____________________________________________________________ Email your boss can't read - sign up for free disinfo.net email at http://www.disinfo.com, your gateway to the underground - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:18:08 -0700 From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: Soft Machine rec\\\'s requested Soft Machine Third: The expanded 'jazz' Machine with Elton Dean sax and 2 other horn players, one 'song' per side, this was definitely their peak moment, ..... _______________________________________________ This is true. If you only get one, get Third. Seven is the second one you must have. Then if you want more, most of the live recordings released over the last several years are gloriously delightful. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:09:42 EDT From: Orangejazz@aol.com Subject: Re: Luc Ferrari hey, um. i have the musicdisc version of Presque Rien, I couldn't actually find it at OtherMusic, I had to go to Kim's Video. The "versions" of the piece are really very different, though not unrelated. and to find any of them on CD would be worth purchasing. The Musicdisc version also has Music Promenade (i believe that's the title, and it's on that Ohm 3-cd set) which is a very nice cut-up piece of concrete, that is nowhere near as smooth and subtle as Presque Rien. His distribution is awful. I really don't think it's fair that it's so hard to find his music and Parmegiani's. Even Schaffer and Henri's works are particularly hard to afford and find in non new-york record stores, being that most of them are released on French Labels. Ferrari has a release on Blue Chopsticks that I found to be interesting, but not as particularly moving as his other work, yet it's easier to find. His Tzadik cd is worth checking out, there is a cd of piano works that are very impressive, called Piano Piano, and my second favorite (to Presque Rien) is Danses Organiques, it's absolutely amazing and unique. A cinema for the ear as it says on the cover..I don't really know how to describe this one at all, repetition, concrete sound, voices, and many of Luc's well-known themes come into play in it, in the liner notes there is a comment about Luc being considered an "erotic" composer, and the reply being he is a pornographic composer, pretty much sums it up. p.s. tell bjork to email me. from, matt - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:43:59 +0200 From: Tim Blechmann Subject: Re: Ken Vandermark I am a Vandermark fan since i heard him last summer in Saalfelden. A few months ago I heard him with the DKV trio, a group featuring Vandermark, Kent Kessler and Hamir Drake. They were one of the greatest ensembles I ever heard. PEACE Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 6:32:38 AM, you wrote: Artur> Hi Philozorners, Artur> I don't remember if Ken Vandermark was discussed here, but since he is Artur> one of my recent discoveries, I'd like to read some opinions. I have Artur> "Simpatico" and "Design in Time", both excellent records. What to look Artur> for next? What about his live performances? I know he plays a lot in Artur> Chicago, where he created a scene around him - is he popular among Artur> NY-listeners? Is he as un/known? Artur> __________________________________________________________________ Artur> Artur Nowak [arno at emd dot pl] www.emd.pl Artur> NP: Vandermark 5 "Simpatico" Artur> - - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:49:00 +0200 From: Tim Blechmann Subject: Re: David Moss - Full House & Dense Band. Some of the Dense Band recordings are recorded for Intakt, a very small swizz label. PEACE Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de Tuesday, August 08, 2000, 4:08:56 PM, you wrote: Stephen> Just a quick note regarding the David Moss recordings Zorn was involved with Stephen> in the late 70s/early 80s. They both appear to have been reissued on cd by Stephen> Moers Music, albeit at import price. I would very much appreciate any Stephen> background info., or simply a hearty recommendation would probably do it. Stephen> Cheers! Stephen> - - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:55:17 +0200 From: patRice Subject: masada live in sevilla 2000 (tzadik) hi boys and girls. i finally received my copy of "live in sevilla" two days ago. i'm also one of those guys/girls who has all the masada releases. a bit sad, isn't it...? well, not really... is this really the best masada cd ever? i don't know if i'm capable of making such a judgement. but what i do know is the following: it definitely is a great cd! at least amongst the best masada releases. every player is in excellent shape, the soloing is fantastic, and there's a certain magic happening. i particularly like jz's playing on this one. patRice np: masada, live in sevilla 2000 - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:51:48 +1000 From: "Julian" Subject: Re: masada live in sevilla 2000 (tzadik) > but what i do know is the following: it definitely is a great cd! at > least amongst the best masada releases. every player is in excellent > shape, the soloing is fantastic, and there's a certain magic happening. > i particularly like jz's playing on this one. yes certainly, however i was a bit disappointed by the promised seven-minute baron solo. i had to listen through the whole cd a few times before i realised where it was. unfortunately that track, apart from being mostly dedicated to drums, is also the only track which has a really obvious mistake (zorn's calling of the second part of the 'head'). baron's playing is great, but that bit throws it off slightly... oh, and also, he only really solos for 5 and a bit minutes of the track, not 7 : ) - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:03:15 -0400 From: thehodgsons Subject: Re: Ken Vandermark Artur, I agree DKV Trio is the shit. I have the Live & Wels and DKV with Joe Morris. Both are excellent. I just ordered the other available discs from forced Exposure along with Peter Brotzmann's Die Like A Dog Quartet. Anyone have any comments on that one. Dwayne PS- Artur, did you get anything in the mail from me yet? Get back to me at my other address. Tim Blechmann wrote: > > I am a Vandermark fan since i heard him last summer in Saalfelden. > A few months ago I heard him with the DKV trio, a group featuring > Vandermark, Kent Kessler and Hamir Drake. They were one of the > greatest ensembles I ever heard. > > PEACE > > Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de > > Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 6:32:38 AM, you wrote: > > Artur> Hi Philozorners, > > Artur> I don't remember if Ken Vandermark was discussed here, but since he is > Artur> one of my recent discoveries, I'd like to read some opinions. I have > Artur> "Simpatico" and "Design in Time", both excellent records. What to look > Artur> for next? What about his live performances? I know he plays a lot in > Artur> Chicago, where he created a scene around him - is he popular among > Artur> NY-listeners? Is he as un/known? > > Artur> __________________________________________________________________ > Artur> Artur Nowak [arno at emd dot pl] www.emd.pl > Artur> NP: Vandermark 5 "Simpatico" > > Artur> - > > - - -- - ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:39:18 EDT From: MorMovies@aol.com Subject: Re: Ken Vandermark Check out Vandermark's latest- Spaceways Incorporated: Thirteen Cosmic Standards By Sun Ra & Funkadelic (Alavistic). This is a killer trio with Vandermark, Nate McBride and Hamid Drake. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:19:05 -0400 (EDT) From: James Graves Subject: Osaka, anyone? This is a long shot, but I was wondering if any of y'all were familiar with the Osaka/Kansai area music scene in Japan, and knew of any particularly good places for noise/experimental/ improv live music or any good record stores dealing in the same genres. I'll be in that area this fall, and I know there is a really hopping music scene there, what with Boredoms, Eye, Otomo, and others based there. I just need to find it... My only luck so far has been hearing about a club called "The Bear" co-managed/owned by Yamamotor. Any and all information appreciated. Thanks, Jamie - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #9 ***************************** To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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