From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #10 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Friday, August 11 2000 Volume 03 : Number 010 In this issue: - tortoise RE: Vandermark & Die Like a Dog Re: Ken Vandermark zorn's blowing Re: zorn's blowing RE: Vandermark & Die Like a Dog Re: tortoise Re: tortoise knit fac west cora Re: Brotzmann Baron, Eskelin (was Re: cora) Re: cora Re: knit fac west Non-Zorn: Gelb-Bickley-Zitt at DMG Sunday [none] Odp: Soft Machine rec's requested ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:52:39 -0400 From: "Bob Kowalski" Subject: tortoise I've been thouroughly enjoying 4 Tortoise discs: TNT, Millions Living Will = Never Die, Untitled and the Remix one and have couple of ?s for the = zornsters... Is there another full length that is now out of print (saw = it listed in an 1999 Thrill Jockey catalog but not on their web site.) = Also, whats up with those two Japanese imports (seem to be Untitled & = Millions Living.. discs repackaged) that go for between $25 -$30 at shops? = Are they double CDs, contain extra tracks, just inflated import prices? Two more ?s (feeling needy today) on related side projects:=20 I'm currently looking for the Pullman CD, which I think is a side project = by Tortoise & friends? Any feedback good/bad? Any thoughts out there on the soundtrack that Tortoise members participated= in? Damned if I can remember film's name, although Sea & Cake members = are also on it? Vocals at all? =20 A related recommendation / shout out to the side project Brokeback, which = is too cool. Lo-fi ambient Tortoise if ya can dig, with some help from = StereoLab buddies! Thats it for today's queries - happy listening=20 Bob - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:12:26 -0400 From: "Joslyn Layne" Subject: RE: Vandermark & Die Like a Dog i second the recommendation of DKV's, live in Wels & Chicago. it really captures how great they are- very fiery, all-inclusive performances. i also really enjoy their album with Fred Anderson, also on Okkadisk. for whatever reason, i don't get into many of the Vandermark 5 albums, and i haven't heard much off of the newest one to know yet. but i can heartily recommend the following things-vandermark: anything by the DKV Trio, Simpatico, Steam [atavistic], Design in Time [delmark], and any of the AALY releases [Mats Gustafsson's trio + Vandermark]. being a fan of both Sun Ra and Funkadelic, what i've heard off of the Spaceways Inc. sounds great, there is also a new Ayler tribute or Ayler-based project on Knitting Factory called Witches & Devils. in all, Vandermark's been busy, i'd say. can't wait to see Vandermark 5 and DKV Trio on the same bill here in Michigan at Edgefest in October. as for Die Like a Dog, i have listened to them all and, if i had to pick, my favorites are the first two FMP releases, Die Like a Dog and Little Birds Have Fast Hearts, No.1. Saw the group (with trumpeter Roy Campbell instead of Toshinori Kondo since c.'98-- wonder why) earlier this year and can only say that Hamid Drake and William Parker never cease to amaze and the two together in a group is indescribably astounding. i'll stop before the hyperbole starts to really gush forth, but DKV and Die Like a Dog are among my favorite working groups, so i couldn't help but sing a little bit of praise! joslyn - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 07:23:34 -0700 From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: Ken Vandermark Don't miss the Ken Vandermark Five's TARGET OR FLAG (Atavistic ALP106CD). Stellar. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 07:36:37 -0700 (PDT) From: jason tors Subject: zorn's blowing I have noticed that zorn has been playing a lot better the past three or four times I have seen him live. The recent reports from sevilla masada is that his playing is top notch. I wonder what he has cooking up that he is getting back into such good shape with his playing? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:10:32 -0700 From: William Crump Subject: Re: zorn's blowing jason tors wrote: I wonder what he has cooking up that he > is getting back into such good shape with his playing? > If you're thinking what I'm thinking, then you're thinking "Classic Guide to Strategy, Vols. 3-5." It would be nice, wouldn't it, but perhaps best not to hold one's breath. William Crump - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:26:05 CDT From: "Kristopher S. Handley" Subject: RE: Vandermark & Die Like a Dog I'll have to third, or fourth----forth!----Joslyn's and others' recommendations of at least some of Vandermark's projects. Seeing DKV live with Fred Anderson (who is super, super fine---as dignified, humorous, and generous with his spiderweb solos as you could ever desire...the comparisons with Ornette aren't unwarranted, though I've felt that the similarity is more in the spirit and humor that comes from the juxtaposition of "cells", repetition, etc., almost the same effect as sampling and cuts in hip-hop [basing this on my own rather sub-literate familiarity with hip-hop, but I think of Terminator X, ELP or whoever does DJ work with COmpany Flow, Premier, etc etc] but without the radical abruptness of John Zorn's or [speaking of germinating cells] Tim Berne's playing) at the (Re)Soundings Festival in Atlanta a couple years ago was a tremendous experience, with Vandermark memorably creating the better part of a searingly energetic solo out of a single altissimo shriek. The DKV live double album is much more interesting---IMHO---than either BARAKA (studio, Okkadisk) or the limited edition LIVE album, which are the only two others I've heard. Hamid Drake, for me, _had_ to be experienced live, had to be seen to be believed; I suspect the same is true of people like Paul Lovens. I'll send another post about percussionists, though. Now to... Peter Brotzmann, Fred Hopkins, and Hamid played a long improvisation which was just _searing_. The groove absolutely gripped them all at times, and Brotzmann veritably _danced_ in place while blowing possessed Texas (by way of Bavaria?) blues. The bombs Drake would drop under Brotz's playing were so perfect, so _logical_ in retrospect, that more than a few times the entire section of the audience I was in almost rose to their feet: arms fluttered high like pidgeons---we shouted at them, we were helpless. It was an evening of maximum R&B with so much more than blowing at stake, just undiluted love for the music. Which I suppose belated brings me to my point: the same chemistry applies to the Die Like a Dog Quartet, one of my favorites among jazz's working groups. I agree with Joslyn about the DIE LIKE A DOG and LITTLE BIRDS HAVE FAST HEARTS (vol. 1) being my favorites; I think Kondo's live electronics were my first taste of the possibilities of electronics in an improvised setting, outside the confines of a studio. At any rate, those two records are terrific and are quite a bit more varied and interesting to me than anything else I've heard from Brotz (with possible exceptions of the Chicago Octet/Tentet and the unbelievable LIVE IN BERLIN 1971). Essential starting music for "energy" free-jazz, and a great way out from punk (I'm guilty of a little evangelism, though now I'm hooked on punk stuff, so I suppose it's more like Catholicism...) Geez, I suppose I should journal or somthing. Sorry for the long message! P.S. It's been a little while since the Ken Vandermark/Paul Lytton double album ENGLISH SUITES came out. Are there any more opinions about it? Cheers: avanti! - -----s NP: Jim O'Rourke, EUREKA (I can see how he would be pissed at smug "indie kids"---as he calls them---thinking all he was up to was kitsch; there is clearly so much more happening on this record. Which is gorgeous, BTW.) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:40:36 -0600 From: fate@telepath.com (Your Imaginary Friend) Subject: Re: tortoise >I've been thouroughly enjoying 4 Tortoise discs: TNT, Millions Living Will >Never Die, Untitled and the Remix one and have couple of ?s for the >zornsters... > Is there another full length that is now out of print (saw it listed in an 1999 Thrill Jockey catalog but not on their web site.) Yep, the first remix album, _Rhythms, Resolutions and Clusters_ - reworkings of tracks from the first (self-titled) album. Also, whats up with those two Japanese imports (seem to be Untitled & Millions Living.. discs repackaged) that go for between $25 -$30 at shops? Are they double CDs, contain extra tracks, just inflated import prices? Sort of a common deal for Japanese pressings of contempo stuff: since imports can actually be cheaper than the domestic releases there, the Japanese versions are often augmented with bonus tracks to make them more enticing to the consumer. I don't know about the first album, but _Millions now Living..._ has three bonus tracks, two of which comprised their out-of-print Duophonic 12" - some of their best work, IMHFO. The Japanese _TNT_ features a Nobukazu Takemura remix of the title track (haven't heard it). >Any thoughts out there on the soundtrack that Tortoise members >participated in? Damned if I can remember film's name, although Sea & >Cake members are also on it? Vocals at all? _Reach the Rock_ - very Tortoise-y, as John McEntire did most of the soundtrack. With cuts by Tortoise, Polvo, The Sea and Cake, and Dianogah - the Sea and Track track has some pretty inobtrusive vocals; otherwise it's all instrumental. Jon M. _________________________ Radio Free Norman 96.7 FM http://freecenter.digiweb.com/music/RadioFreeNorman - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:56:22 -0400 From: Dan Hewins Subject: Re: tortoise >Is there another full length that is now out of print (saw it listed >in an 1999 Thrill Jockey catalog but not on their web site.) Also, >whats up with those two Japanese imports (seem to be Untitled & >Millions Living.. discs repackaged) that go for between $25 -$30 at >shops? Are they double CDs, contain extra tracks, just inflated >import prices? These indie bands always have so many releases it's hard to keep track of. Luckily for you I keep track of Tortoise's. The only full lengths that I consider their "albums" are "Millions...", "TNT", and the eponymous one. The remix one is full length but it actually a compilation of a bunch of 12" remix vinyls. The Japanese imports have extra tracks and remixes on them, not to be found elsewhere. There is "The Digest Compendium of the Tortoise World" which is somewhat of a compilation disc for Japanese release that contains some of their early 7" material (Mosquito, Gooseneck, etc.), some released material form the s/t record, as well as some otherwise unreleased (to my knowledge) remixes (one by Steve Albini). The "Millions...", and "TNT" Japanese releases also contain extra tracks but I don't know what they are. They are not double CDs. Your best bet on these is eBay or Gemm.com. Oh yeah, there is also something called "Rhythms, Resolutions & Clusters" which apparently was released in the US but is OOP now as far as I can tell. Check this page for good, useful info: http://brainwashed.com/tortoise/discog.html. >I'm currently looking for the Pullman CD, which I think is a side >project by Tortoise & friends? Any feedback good/bad? I got this and I'm not to excited about it. It's acoustic music and I think it's just OK. You don't need to go out of your way to hear it. >Any thoughts out there on the soundtrack that Tortoise members >participated in? Damned if I can remember film's name, although Sea >& Cake members are also on it? Vocals at all? "Reach the Rock". Great soundtrack record, one of my favorites. It's mostly a John McEntire record. He scored, performed, and recorded most of the material on the record. Really, really good stuff. Pretty mellow. There is one track each by Tortoise, The Sea and Cake, Dianogah, Bundy K. Brown, and Polvo. Highly recommended though I heard the film is no good. Damn. Get indie on us and I miss all this work that I should be doing. Dan Hewins - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:13:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Whit Schonbein Subject: knit fac west well, the LA times reported yesterday that the knitting factory west opened that day (august 10th), but they did not indicate who was playing. furthremore, i can't find any indication anywhere in the LA times of who might be playing there - the knitting factory isn't even listed in the jazz section (or the pop section or...) of the LA times' 'calandar' section. so...anyone have any idea what's going on at the knitting factory west? whoever was supposed to do advertising for them really screwed up - or maybe they're hoping people will just show up because it's the oh-so-legendary-given-reports-from-musicians-that-have-played-ther *knitting factory*? (cf., john lurie's letter to the LA times, posted here a while back). in LA and wondering if there might actually be music worth going to see for a change, whit - ------------------------------------------ William W. Schonbein Philosophy-Neuroscience-Psychology Program Department of Philosophy Washington University St. Louis, MO, USA 63130-4899 http://artsci.wustl.edu/~wwschonb/ whit@twinearth.wustl.edu - ------------------------------------------ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:19:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Hywel Davies Subject: cora anyone any details of the forthcoming tom cora cd on Knitting factory? also, opinions of the new Joey Baron cd and Ellery Eskelin's "ramifications" would be welcome...thanks. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: 11 Aug 2000 17:20:59 -0000 From: "Tim Keenliside" Subject: Re: Brotzmann < Peter Brotzmann's Die Like A Dog Quartet. Anyone have any comments on that one. One of the best groups I've ever experienced! Up there with Ornette & Prime Time, Sun Ra, and of course, Masada. The new edition with Roy Campbell on trumpet is an amazingly solid, focused, out on the edge, hard blowin' post-apocalyptic quartet...and Hamid Drake swings like no one else, that cat is amazing! Everyone came away from their recent gig at the Vancouver Jazz Fest realising they'd just witnessed something unique. Check 'em out at any cost! _____________________________________________________________ Email your boss can't read - sign up for free disinfo.net email at http://www.disinfo.com, your gateway to the underground - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:30:35 -0400 From: Dan Hewins Subject: Baron, Eskelin (was Re: cora) >also, opinions of the new Joey Baron cd and Ellery >Eskelin's "ramifications" would be welcome...thanks. What Joey Baron CD? If ramifications is the 5tet (Black/Parkins trio + 2) then I'll say simply that it's good. If you like the trio's records, then you'll like this one. Dan Hewins - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:39:36 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: cora On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Hywel Davies wrote: > > anyone any details of the forthcoming tom cora cd on > Knitting factory? You mean that there is another one (besides the recently released IT'S A BRAND NEW DAY - LIVE AT THE KNITTING FACTORY)? Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:41:30 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: knit fac west Whit Schonbein wrote: > well, the LA times reported yesterday that the knitting factory west > opened that day (august 10th), but they did not indicate who was playing. > furthremore, i can't find any indication anywhere in the LA times of who > might be playing there - the knitting factory isn't even listed in the > jazz section (or the pop section or...) of the LA times' 'calandar' When I phoned him with similar questions about a week ago, Dorf told me that the club would be operating as of now, but doesn't really formally open to the public until September 16 or thereabouts. Before that, it's supposedly just a series of private parties, industry functions and the like. When they actually do open, there will definitely be a big media splash. Right now I think they're just quietly "playing the club in" after all the delays. Supposedly such acts as Dave Douglas, Sonic Youth and even Ornette are booked for dates coming soon. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Scott Colley, "Metropolis," 'The Magic Line' (Arabesque) - nice trio with Chris Potter and Bill Stewart - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:36:54 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Non-Zorn: Gelb-Bickley-Zitt at DMG Sunday Just a moment to toot my own horn: This Sunday at 7 PM, Tom Bickley and I (of the ensembles Comma and Gray Code) will be performing with shakuhachi player Phil Gelb at Downtown Music Gallery in NYC. Expect unexpected combinations of winds and voices. I look forward to the possibility of meeting some of the NYC contingent there. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:17:54 -0400 From: Rich Williams Subject: [none] For those in New England; Masada will be playing the Newport Fest(in Newport, of all places) this sunday. further info at http://festivalproductions.net/jvc/newport/schedule.shtml - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:36:48 +0200 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: Soft Machine rec's requested I liked several of them. 3 is legendary, but perasonally i liked the 4 (especially) and 5 better. The albums without Wyatt were generally worse, had less personality. The 6 is not a bad album, but I don't listen to it . I had an album called 'Softs', wihich is quite worthless IMHO: a kind of early mahavishnu rip-off. Seriously boring. There were also great live albums. I had borrowed a 'live at the BBC' from the times of 3, and it was GREAT! Worth recommendation is also Wyatt's Matching Mole (that pronounces in a way that makes similiar to french 'machine molle' - ie soft machine). I 've heard an album them once, and it was really worth attention. There's also an album by Carla Bley, European Tour 1977, that features some ex-SM memebers (Hopper, Dean). It's really a great album, I recommend it very seriously. Marcin Gokieli - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #10 ****************************** To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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