From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #11 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Monday, August 14 2000 Volume 03 : Number 011 In this issue: - Re: Ken Vandermark Brotzmann/Die Like a Dog Re: Vandermark Re: Odp: Soft Machine rec's requested Re: vent fact west God Speed Odp: Soft Machine rec's requested Re: Odp: Soft Machine rec\\\'s requested RE:Osaka,anyone? The Nu Band (Whitecage, Campbell), Fonda, Grassi) in Philadelphia, Wed, August 16th - Sweetnighter Productions Chadborne/Lehn Re: Chadborne/Lehn henry threadgill Re: henry threadgill Re: Favorite Louis Armstrong? Rahsaan Roland Kirk Re: Rahsaan Roland Kirk report from newport Re: zorn's blowing / masada live 2000 cd Re: Re: Rahsaan Roland Kirk Re: Re: Re: Rahsaan Roland Kirk Knitting Factory Hollywood Opens Re: Ken Vandermark ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:02:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Whit Schonbein Subject: Re: Ken Vandermark On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, artur-via-zorn-list-wrote: > Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 06:32:38 +0200 > From: "Artur Nowak" > Subject: Ken Vandermark > > I don't remember if Ken Vandermark was discussed here, but since he is > one of my recent discoveries, I'd like to read some opinions. I have > "Simpatico" and "Design in Time", both excellent records. What to look > for next? What about his live performances? I know he plays a lot in > Chicago, where he created a scene around him - is he popular among > NY-listeners? Is he as un/known? he unexpectedly received a MacArthur 'genius' grant of us$256,500 recently, so sombody was aware of him... in my experience, live V5 shows can be impressive. there are a couple "official bootlegs" floating around, recorded live at the empty bottle in chicago and somehow 'let free' by the band, but hte real fun is seeing them. if you don't have the brotzmann tentet/octet discs on okka disc, then that's a good place to hear more vandermark (and the rest of the 5). finally, just today i stumbled on a (new?) V5 disc called "burn the incline". It's on Atavistic, and i can't find a copyright notice anywhere on either the packaging or the discs themselves. the disc came with a "limited edition" disc of the V5 playing vandermark's arrangements of 'classic' free jazz tunes by the likes of ornette coleman, anthony braxton, sun ra, eric dolphy, cecil taylor...first impression: sounds good to me... whit np: V5 - bonus live 'free jazz covers' disc in 'burn the incline' by the V5.... - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:28:25 EDT From: "Alan Kayser" Subject: Brotzmann/Die Like a Dog I will add the second volume of Little Birds to essential Brotzmann/Die Like a Dog. The second volume contains material from the same two performances represented on Volume 1. The first DLAD with a nod to it's namesake Mr. Ayler, is not to be missed. An extension of this group is Brotzmann's Tentet. The second manifestation of his tentet involves the core of Vandermark's Chicago mates: Kent Kessler, Fred Londberg-Holm, Jeb Bishop, Mars Williams, and Michael Zerang. Kondo has also joined in on occassion, as has the fifth DLAD Roy Campbell. The three CD Tentet on OKKA is essential, and though Brotzmann is the "leader" it is a group effort in all ways. Composing credits are given all around, and though it is Brotzmann style high-energy stuff, he certainly does not dominate. Less essential is the new one titled Stone, recorded at Victoriaville but much less adventurous than the 3 CD set. Another recording similar in style is Marz Combo featuring twin guitars of Caspar B and Nicky Skopelitis as well as Kondo, Parker, Anton Feir and Paul Rutherford. Also on FMP. Alan Kayser ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:40:08 -0400 From: Nils Subject: Re: Vandermark been lurking on this discussion; wanted to see what people had in mind for vandermark recommendations. you MUST check out the NRG Ensemble 'This Is My House.' ken vandermark is a guaranteed good listen, pretty much, but this particular recording is stellar. esp. in light of what he has done since, i have to say nothing comes close. very powerful and energetic stuff. the NRG Ensemble comes from an original group led by hal russell, but has made some very fine music since. the one to check out is 'This Is My House.' genre- bending, thermonuclear intensity. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:19:26 EDT From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Odp: Soft Machine rec's requested In a message dated Fri, 11 Aug 2000 6:42:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Marcin Gokieli" writes: << I had an album called 'Softs', wihich is quite worthless IMHO: a kind of early mahavishnu rip-off. Seriously boring. >> I have a soft (oops...) spot for _Softs_, as it was a favorite of a long-departed friend of mine. Jon Ethridge makes his debut as a SM'er here, fresh off the heels of a stint in Darryl Way's Wolf. It's a most unique album in the SM catalogue, ranging in style from jazz/metal fusion to almost Berlin school-styled electronics. Not exactly one for the SM neophyte, admittedly, but one I enjoy on occasion. We miss you Tony...:-( - -- =dg= - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:46:12 -0700 From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: vent fact west In LA and wondering if there might actually be music worth going to see for a change, whit _____________________ We're having fun just up the coast in Ventura: Another great concert bargain from the folks at pfMENTUM: Saturday, August 12, 8 PM, $5 Art City II, 31 Peking Street, Ventura, California For Directions: http://www.mapblast.com/ Jeff and Steuart Jeff Kaiser, trumpet and electronics Steuart Liebig, bass and electronics AND The Billy Mintz Quartet Billy Mintz: drums Jeff D'Angelo: bass Rob Lockhart: tenor saxophone Clay Jenkins: trumpet NOTE: This concert is inside (physically anyway) BUT there are no chairs. Please bring blankets, pillows, lawnchairs, et cetera to sit on. For more info: http://www.pfmentum.com While there, be sure to look at our other upcoming events. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:51:23 -0400 From: "Ljova" Subject: God Speed Anyone catch the "God Speed You Black Emperor" shows at the Knit today & yesterday? (I couldn't.) Thanks, Ljova - -------- Lev "Ljova" Zhurbin L@Ljova.com http://mp3.com/Ljova/ "Do not fear mistakes - there are none." -Miles Davis - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 14:57:46 +0200 (MET DST) From: Victor Debattista Subject: Odp: Soft Machine rec's requested I've not seen mention yet of the excellent live "Noisette", on Cuneiform records. This one is from 1970, and is from the band before 3 with plenty of reworked material from 1 & 2. Wyatt was still in the band at that stage, although, as in 3, the vocals do not feature very much. This one is very much worth hearing. Cheers Victor - - ------------------------------ Date: 12 Aug 2000 14:37:18 -0000 From: "Tim Keenliside" Subject: Re: Odp: Soft Machine rec\\\'s requested >I have a soft (oops...) spot for _Softs_, as it was a favorite of a long-departed friend of mine. Jon Ethridge makes his debut as a SM'er here, fresh off the heels of a stint in Darryl Way's Wolf. It's a most unique album in the SM catalogue, ranging in style from jazz/metal fusion to almost Berlin school-styled electronics. Not exactly one for the SM neophyte... Just to clarify, for anyone wanting to delve into the Soft Machine oeuvre, after Soft Machine Seven, there were no longer any original members of the band left! The founding members were Daevid Allen (on to Gong), Mike Ratledge (sadly M.I.A.), Robert Wyatt (as mentioned, Matching Mole, and great solo albums), Kevin Ayers (interesting early solo efforts). Hugh Hopper came in to replace Ayers on Volume 2 (check out Hoppertunity Box). So regardless of how one feels about the post Seven Soft Machine albums (Softs, Live In Paris, Land of Cockayne, Bundles), these are not really S.M. albums! They should have changed the name, in fact at that stage the group had more in common with (Ian Carr's) Nucleus, i.e. Karl Jenkins & John Marshall. Certainly by that point, the original spirit of the group (which many feel was embodied by Wyatt) had disappeared.. _____________________________________________________________ Email your boss can't read - sign up for free disinfo.net email at http://www.disinfo.com, your gateway to the underground - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 08:19:02 +0900 From: "himry.suzuki" Subject: RE:Osaka,anyone? I live in Nara Pref. near Osaka. I recommend Live Hause Big Apple in Kobe. Homepage is http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/i/big-apple/. To our regret this page is written in Japanese. There is Tower Records at Shinsaibasi in Osaka. Noise/experimental/improvisation cd is sold at the 4th floor. M. Suzuki > This is a long shot, but I was wondering if any of y'all were familiar > with the Osaka/Kansai area music scene in Japan, and knew of any > particularly good places for noise/experimental/ improv live music or any > good record stores dealing in the same genres. I'll be > in that area this fall, and I know there is a really hopping music scene > there, what with Boredoms, Eye, Otomo, and others based there. I just need > to find it... My only luck so far has been hearing about a club called > "The Bear" co-managed/owned by Yamamotor. Any and all information > appreciated. Thanks, > > Jamie > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 20:25:25 -0400 From: "Alan Lankin" Subject: The Nu Band (Whitecage, Campbell), Fonda, Grassi) in Philadelphia, Wed, August 16th - Sweetnighter Productions The Nu Band Wednesday, August 16th, 2000 - 9:30 pm -$12 Mark Whitecage (alto and soprano sax, clarinet, electronics) Roy Campbell (trumpet, flugelhorn, pocket trumpet) Joe Fonda (bass) Lou Grassi (drums) Plays and Players Club, 1714 Delancey St, Philadelphia - -- Future concerts: Tyrone Hill - Deep Space Posse (Aug 30) Toshi Makihara & Wally Shoup (Sept 6) Khan Jamal (Sep 13) High Zero Pre-festival featuring Jack Wright (Sep 20) The Vandermark 5 (Sep 27) The Fonda/Stevens Group (Oct) - -- For more information: http://home.att.net/~lankina/sweetnighter - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 05:09:40 GMT From: "William York" Subject: Chadborne/Lehn From Forced Exposure: CHADLEHN: C Inside CD (GROB 205). "The virtuous string player Eugene Chadbourne and the ingenious synthesizer player Thomas Lehn met in the summer of 1990 to celebrate an impossible event: the confrontation of a banjo with an analogue EMS-synthesizer. Spontaneous improvisation in full completion: C Inside actually documents the first meeting of these master musicians." Can anyone who's heard this give a brief description? I have given up on trying to keep up w/ Chadbourne's new release avalanche. Also, doesn't that 1990 date seem a little odd? Anyway, thanks, WY ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 01:35:41 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Chadborne/Lehn In a message dated 8/13/00 1:10:57 AM, william_york@hotmail.com writes: << Can anyone who's heard this give a brief description? I have given up on trying to keep up w/ Chadbourne's new release avalanche. Also, doesn't that 1990 date seem a little odd? >> yep, 1990 is wrong, it's from 1999. as for the CD, I've only heard it once, but it's about what you'd expect, as weird as that sounds. it sounded to me like 2 solo concerts, one in each channel. I'm not much of a Chadbourne fan, so others can decide how it fits into his discography, but it's certainly one of the less essential Lehn projects. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 20:17:57 +0100 From: "kevin molony" Subject: henry threadgill Some months ago threadgill's name was mentioned - A threadgill thread??? - and in the follow up someone mentioned that the old about time albums had been released on cd. I've trawled the net till my fingers are raw and can't find any mention or stockists. (All the usual suspects have been rounded up). Can a kind person please point a finger . Regards kevin m. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 15:46:13 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: henry threadgill In a message dated 8/13/00 3:22:48 PM, mooch@btinternet.com writes: << Some months ago threadgill's name was mentioned - A threadgill thread??? - and in the follow up someone mentioned that the old about time albums had been released on cd. I've trawled the net till my fingers are raw and can't find any mention or stockists. (All the usual suspects have been rounded up). Can a kind person please point a finger . >> www.cadencebuilding.com, search for threadgill. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:29:05 -0400 From: Lang Thompson Subject: Re: Favorite Louis Armstrong? >Perhaps you should just start with Volume One of the JSPs and then >decide how much further you want to go. If you add Volume Two you'll Steve's post was quite good but thought I'd add that the four JSPs are now available in a box set (one of those where they just took the original album and added a case) that I've seen in a large chain for $23, a little less than what I actually paid for the first two alone. JSP also has a dirt-cheap box of their Django. I'd also add that the "American Icon" set is about as good an overview of Armstrong's post-war career as we're likely to get. Lang - ------------------------------------------- Adventures In Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm Funhouse http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/funhouse.htm "Where Do You Want to Go Today" Somewhere you can never take me! - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:19:58 +0100 From: "Richard Gardner" Subject: Rahsaan Roland Kirk Does anyone on the list no anything about the huge new Rhino Box Set. The new biography of Rahsaan "Bright Moments" lists in its discography a 13 CD box set called the "The WInds in Bb" as a future release. It says it collects all the Atlantic recordings. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:00:25 -0400 From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Rahsaan Roland Kirk > Does anyone on the list no anything about the huge new Rhino Box Set. I seem to remember it being scheduled for late 2000 or early 2001 but that might be one of those false memories The Conspiracy planted to prevent me from testifying about the existence of leprechauns. & yes it's supposed to be the "complete" Atlantic recordings. Lang - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:32:11 -0700 (PDT) From: jason tors Subject: report from newport Masada was good, they played right before Cassadra Wilson, the crowd seem pretty receptive, tho a lot of people decided to sleep throughout the entire festival. Masada stuck to more lyrical songs, they were gentle on the crowd and didnt really break into too much emotional material. Dave and john were playing well together and really got the crowd grooving out to their sounds. They played what that audience was ready for, plus a bit more. Even though the weather was crappy it was still great to listen to the guys play on the newport harbor. I wonder who talked zorn into playing at newport? They scheduled masada and vernon reid at the same time. A lot of the younger crowd wandered over to the harbor tent to check out vernon reid's project with dj logic, the rock sounds were just a bit too much for members of the older generation, so they were checking out masada. For a brief time, the newport jazz fest was taken over by something everyone wasnt ready for. I commend the JVC folks for that. They also gave zorn a full page spread in their program, entitled The Revolution Is In Your Ear, The Newport Rebels. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:07:50 +0200 From: patRice Subject: Re: zorn's blowing / masada live 2000 cd i can only say it again - check out the live in sevilla 2000. i listened to it several times over this past weekend. some of zorn's solos - absolutely fantastic, i think. i get shivers every single time i listen to them. patRice np: masada, live in sevilla 2000 jason tors wrote: > I have noticed that zorn has been playing a lot better > the past three or four times I have seen him live. The > recent reports from sevilla masada is that his playing > is top notch. I wonder what he has cooking up that he > is getting back into such good shape with his playing? - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:15:13 EDT From: Velaires@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Rahsaan Roland Kirk This mammoth box set actually supposed to come out in 2001 on Label M, which is Joel Dorn's new imprint. skip heller - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:18:49 -0400 From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: Rahsaan Roland Kirk > This mammoth box set actually supposed to come out in 2001 on Label >M, which is Joel Dorn's new imprint. Any idea why Dorn left 32 Jazz? - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:19:22 -0700 From: "s~Z" Subject: Knitting Factory Hollywood Opens "Knitting Factory: Quality, If Not Cutting Edge" http://www.calendarlive.com/calendarlive/calendar/20000814/t000076077.html ICP: Sept. 4 SunRa Arkestra: Sept. 12 Dave Douglas Quartet: Sept. 14 Rova Sax 4tet + John French: Sept. 24 Hope for LA? - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:56:20 -0400 From: Dan Hewins Subject: Re: Ken Vandermark >finally, just today i stumbled on a (new?) V5 disc called "burn the >incline". It's on Atavistic, and i can't find a copyright notice anywhere >on either the packaging or the discs themselves. the disc came with a >"limited edition" disc of the V5 playing vandermark's arrangements of >'classic' free jazz tunes by the likes of ornette coleman, anthony >braxton, sun ra, eric dolphy, cecil taylor...first impression: sounds good >to me... It's their new CD. The first 1000 come with the bonus CD of "covers." I picked up "Spaceways Incorporated" the other day, a trio of Vandermark, Chris McBride (b), and Hamid Drake (d) doing the music of Sun Ra and Funkadelic. It's great! Dan Hewins - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #11 ****************************** To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com