From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #16 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Tuesday, August 22 2000 Volume 03 : Number 016 In this issue: - Re: Re: hatart + anderson/bennink/doran + bley strange bedfellows Re: strange bedfellows Re: strange bedfellows Re: Haino, Haino, and more Haino (and a little bit of PainKiller) haino Re: strange bedfellows Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #13 Re: Haino, Haino, and more Haino (and a little bit of PainKiller) re: The Radio Cover Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #15 re: The Radio Cover Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #15 Re: The Radio Cover Re: re: The Radio Cover RE: the big gundown - reissue Odp: Odp: tv trivia Coltrane Odp: the big gundown - reissue Elevator over the hill RE: the big gundown - reissue Elevator over the hill ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:33:53 EDT From: Velaires@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: hatart + anderson/bennink/doran + bley In a message dated 8/21/0 11:28:51 AM, you wrote: << In fact, ESCALATOR OVER THE HILL is still in print and (at least in Portland OR) quite easy to find (two stores have it). >> Actually, EOTH was out of print while ECM changed distributors and has now quietly come back into print (along with the rest of Carla's titles), but many stores (ie Tower) etc don't order a lot of back catalogue on artists like Carla Bley (as they do not get a lot of jazz radio play). Does anyone know if the restaging of it from about four years ago was recorded (legally or otherwise)? skip h - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:42:50 -0700 From: "s~Z" Subject: strange bedfellows from towerrecords.com: Tower Shoppers who bought Escalator Over The Hill also bought: 1.) The Go-Betweens - Send Me A Lullaby 2.) Dave Alvin - Blackjack David 3.) The Meters - The Very Best Of The Meters 4.) James Brown - Funk Power 1970: A Brand New Thang 5.) Traffic - Feelin' Allright: The Very Best Of Traffic 6.) Neil Young/Crazy Horse - Zuma 7.) Jefferson Starship - At Their Best 8.) Black Sabbath - Mob Rules 9.) Jefferson Airplane - Volunteers 10.) Marvin Gaye - Here, My Dear - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:57:13 -0700 From: William Crump Subject: Re: strange bedfellows s~Z wrote: > from towerrecords.com: > > Tower Shoppers who bought Escalator Over The Hill also bought: > > 1.) The Go-Betweens - Send Me A Lullaby > 2.) Dave Alvin - Blackjack David > 3.) The Meters - The Very Best Of The Meters > 4.) James Brown - Funk Power 1970: A Brand New Thang > 5.) Traffic - Feelin' Allright: The Very Best Of Traffic > 6.) Neil Young/Crazy Horse - Zuma > 7.) Jefferson Starship - At Their Best > 8.) Black Sabbath - Mob Rules > 9.) Jefferson Airplane - Volunteers > 10.) Marvin Gaye - Here, My Dear That can't be right... could there have been a band called the 13th Floor Escalators? William Crump - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:03:49 -0400 From: Dan Hewins Subject: Re: strange bedfellows > > from towerrecords.com: >> >> Tower Shoppers who bought Escalator Over The Hill also bought: >> >> 1.) The Go-Betweens - Send Me A Lullaby >> 2.) Dave Alvin - Blackjack David >> 3.) The Meters - The Very Best Of The Meters >> 4.) James Brown - Funk Power 1970: A Brand New Thang >> 5.) Traffic - Feelin' Allright: The Very Best Of Traffic >> 6.) Neil Young/Crazy Horse - Zuma >> 7.) Jefferson Starship - At Their Best >> 8.) Black Sabbath - Mob Rules >> 9.) Jefferson Airplane - Volunteers >> 10.) Marvin Gaye - Here, My Dear > >That can't be right... could there have been a band called the 13th >Floor Escalators? This is the Tower Records website we're talking about... - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:32:48 EDT From: Slntwtchr@aol.com Subject: Re: Haino, Haino, and more Haino (and a little bit of PainKiller) >Oh, and now that I'm thinking about it - is the Pain Killer live album >Rituals out of print? I've been trying to aquire that for a little while >without much luck. (You'd think it would have been included on the COMPLETE >Recordings of Pain Killer...) yes, it's out of print. it took me a looong time to track a copy down. (btw - the box set is the complete studio recordings, which is why rituals isn't on it, although that other live disc was thrown in...) >Also, does anybody know if there are any recorded documents of Pain Killer >when Buckethead was making guest appereances with the band? there's at least one bootleg floating around from two sets they did at the knit in 1993, with buckethead on a few tracks... dave bill laswell, mick harris, eraldo bernocchi and lori carson discographies : http://www.geocities.com/slntwtchr - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:54:54 EDT From: MorMovies@aol.com Subject: haino I've heard that Zorn has tried to get the rights back for the Painkiller Rituals recording without luck. I'm sure he'll reissue it when he is able. Luckily, I found one about a year ago in a New York City shop. It features another example of Zorn's infamous cover art. The live Painkiller bootleg with Buckethead is pretty cool. Bucket is introduced late in the set and provides some sparse support. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:22:22 -0500 From: "Robert A. Pleshar" Subject: Re: strange bedfellows Why not? I own records by James Brown, the Meters, Neil Young, Black Sabbath and Marvin Gaye as well as Escalator Over the Hill. I also enjoy that Jefferson Starship song "Jane" when it's on the radio. I suppose it's possible someone could like EOTH and the Go-betweens, whoever they are. Ralph NP(in my head): 2 Live Crew "Pop that Coochie" At 11:57 AM 8/21/00 -0700, William Crump wrote: list deleted >That can't be right... could there have been a band called the 13th >Floor Escalators? > >William Crump Robert Pleshar Head, Serial Orders University of Chicago Library 1100 E. 57th Street Chicago, IL 60637 - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 17:52:35 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #13 On Dorn's new label which launches in September, Label M. Believe someone's already pointed out (here or elsewhere, I can't remember) that this box is due sometime next year. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com Richard Gardner wrote: > Following my request for info on the Rahsaan Roland Kirk Complete Atlantic > box set. I contacted Rhino and got this reply. > > Richard, > This is a Joel Dorn project and Rhino has no involvement in it. We > have no idea what the release date may be. Sorry > > > If Joel Dorn has left 32 Jazz. Where is this coming out? > > Richard Gardner > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:20:17 -0400 From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: Haino, Haino, and more Haino (and a little bit of PainKiller) At 02:38 PM 8/21/00 -0400, Dann-Brown wrote: > >Since the discussion lately has been about all the Haino Keiji albums we >don't like - how about the albums of his that we do like? My favorite Fushitsusha is the newish two-cd set on Paratactile, I saw it!, which has a track so long (80-some minutes) that it takes both cds, very noisy and *very* well recorded. PSF 15/16 (the second live one) is great too. I also like the Nijiumu that was included in Driftworks, and am very tempted to get the other one by this group. I have a hard time telling what instruments are being played, which kind of adds to the mystery of it all. - -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. - -- Satchel Paige - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:08:21 -0400 From: Taylor McLaren Subject: re: The Radio Cover MEEP! "&c." wrote: >Where does the picture on Naked City's Radio come from. It looks remarkably >like some pictures of Mike Patton while performing with Mr. Bungle. Man, that Mike Patton has a nice ass. In not-so-stupid news, there's a fairly good recording of a Naftule's Dream concert that has appeared on alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.bootlegs in the last day or so. If anybody can tell me how it is that the seven files that make up the entirety of the show were encoded (WinAmp reports at least three different bitrates during the course of playback), I'd also be very interested in hearing a bit about the software and/or glitch involved. Oh, and while I'm at it... Velaires@aol.com wrote: >Actually, EOTH was out of print while ECM changed distributors and has now >quietly come back into print (along with the rest of Carla's titles) I've actually noticed a fairly impressive glut of used Carla Bley discs in the stores around here ("here" being just outside of Toronto) in recent weeks, and was wondering if there is any particular reason for this... is there any additional material that has been tacked on to these re-issues, or have the gods of casual musical exploration just decided to smile on me for a change? - -me - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:30:35 -0400 From: "&c." Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #15 Can some recommend some of Coltrane's experimental/free jazz albums for me. His more straight playing has me hypnotized at the moment and I want to explore his other side. Thanks Zach - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:32:35 -0400 From: Mathieu Belanger Subject: re: The Radio Cover Hello, >In not-so-stupid news, there's a fairly good recording of a Naftule's Dream >concert that has appeared on alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.bootlegs in the last >day or so. If anybody can tell me how it is that the seven files that make >up the entirety of the show were encoded (WinAmp reports at least three >different bitrates during the course of playback), I'd also be very >interested in hearing a bit about the software and/or glitch involved. Sounds like the files were encoded at variable bit rate. While I can't name a specefic software, most encoders have an option to encode at VBR. Please correct me if I am wrong though... Hope it helps, Mathieu - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:32:21 EDT From: MorMovies@aol.com Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #15 Get the newly remastered, expanded INTERSTELLAR SPACE! - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 00:12:08 -0400 From: Matt Teichman Subject: Re: The Radio Cover Isn't there a "Man Ray" signature on at least the back cover photo? At 03:13 AM 8/21/00 -0400, you wrote: >Where does the picture on Naked City's Radio come from. It looks remarkably >like some pictures of Mike Patton while performing with Mr. Bungle. Is >there a connection? > >Zach > >- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 03:06:42 EDT From: Velaires@aol.com Subject: Re: re: The Radio Cover In a message dated 8/21/0 5:07:07 PM, you wrote: << Oh, and while I'm at it... Velaires@aol.com wrote: >Actually, EOTH was out of print while ECM changed distributors and has now >quietly come back into print (along with the rest of Carla's titles) I've actually noticed a fairly impressive glut of used Carla Bley discs in the stores around here ("here" being just outside of Toronto) in recent weeks, and was wondering if there is any particular reason for this... is there any additional material that has been tacked on to these re-issues, or have the gods of casual musical exploration just decided to smile on me for a change? - -me >> There doesn't seem to be much bonus tracking on the Carla's, save for the version of "Soon I Will Be Done With The Troubles Of This World" on DUETS. As for bonus tracks on EOTH, not likely, given that they really had an uphill (financial) battle to complete it. Does anyone know if the reissue of Gary Burton's GENIUNE TONG FUNERAL (an all-Carla program) has any bonus material? skip h - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:42:33 +0200 From: Verstraeten Stefan Subject: RE: the big gundown - reissue Hello, Here are the tracks and players: - -The sicilian clan (feldman, friedlander, ribot, cohen, baron, baptista) - -Macchie Solari (hatori, saft) - -The ballad of Hank McCain (patton, saft, baptista) - -Suegliatti & Uccidi (ribot, bailey, dunn, baron) - -Chi Mai (feldman, friedlander, ribot, cohen, baron, baptista) So, as you can see, unfortunately Zorn does not play along.... Best wishes, Stefan Verstraeten - -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Gadney [mailto:a_gadney@hotmail.com] Sent: maandag 21 augustus 2000 11:14 To: stefan.annik@planetinternet.be; zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: the big gundown - reissue Hello! Sounds very interesting! Can you give the titles of the new tracks? I can't seem to find a tracklist anywhere on the net... Thanks! ARTHUR_G ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:01:09 +0200 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: Odp: tv trivia From: Joseph Zitt > > We here in Europe also got the Microsoft ad with David Bowie's 'heroes' (the > > only way to hear Frippertronics on TV;-]) > To be pedantic for a moment: while it is indeed Fripp's guitar, I'd be > quite amazed if it were Frippertronics, Of course... it just had the 'fat' frippertronics sound (which is great, btw). Crimson plays 'heroes' as the closing number this tour (Catch them if you can, they are great - they are just to start the US tour. There are large improvised sections which are simply incredible) From: Craig Rath > And isn't the version that Microsoft used for their ads the Wallflowers > version? It seems to me I remember hearing the music in the ad and > thinking 'cool - bowie' and then realizing it wasn't even his version. That would surprise me... I was sure that it was the original. Anyhow, the guitar had that fripp sound. (OK, so it could even turn out that it was a keyboard ;-)... I worte it was Bowie with fripp on frippertronics- first no frippertronics, then niether fripp nor bowie... The lack of guitar would be a logical next step ;-) Marcin Gokieli marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:20:21 +0200 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Coltrane From: &c. > Can some recommend some of Coltrane's experimental/free jazz albums for me. > His more straight playing has me hypnotized at the moment and I want to > explore his other side. Thanks I'd recommend Ascension - a kind of a big band, recently reissued - and Stellar Regions. Wild music (although I must say that I like miles's 'structured' approach much more). Marcin Gokieli marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:18:07 +0200 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: the big gundown - reissue - ----- Original Message ----- From: Verstraeten Stefan > Here are the tracks and players: > -The sicilian clan (feldman, friedlander, ribot, cohen, baron, baptista) > -Macchie Solari (hatori, saft) > -The ballad of Hank McCain (patton, saft, baptista) > -Suegliatti & Uccidi (ribot, bailey, dunn, baron) > -Chi Mai (feldman, friedlander, ribot, cohen, baron, baptista) Were they recorded at the same sessions that the rest of the album were? The lineup are very 90's-like... i would be surprised by Bar Kokhba records from the '80s... Marcin Gokieli marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:19:56 +0200 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Elevator over the hill > Does anyone know if the restaging of it from about four years ago was > recorded (legally or otherwise)? I know it was filmed... It was brodacsted on 'muzzik', a french TV channell. A friend of mine recorded it. To days later, the tape was accidentally re-recorded. So I've never seen it. (And about the tower records list) somebody wrote: > Why not? I own records by James Brown, the Meters, Neil Young, Black > Sabbath and Marvin Gaye as well as Escalator Over the Hill. I also enjoy > that Jefferson Starship song "Jane" when it's on the radio. I suppose it's > possible someone could like EOTH and the Go-betweens, whoever they are. What is REALLY surprising on the list is Sabbath's 'mob rules'. Why that one? Marcin Gokieli marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:25:49 +0200 From: Verstraeten Stefan Subject: RE: the big gundown - reissue Hi, The booklet says that they are recorded at atavar studio & frank booth by david baker & jamie saft, but on first sight the booklet does not give a date (unless I am looking not good enough) However they are listed (in the booklet) seperately from the original tracks that were recorded during 1984-1985. So as a conclusion they should be new, since for example in 1984 Mike Patton was not recording with zorn.... I think. Hope this helps.... Stefan Verstraeten NP Eugene Chadbourne & Paul Lovens (Leo Records) - -----Original Message----- From: Marcin Gokieli [mailto:marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl] Sent: dinsdag 22 augustus 2000 10:18 To: Verstraeten Stefan; zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Cc: 'Arthur Gadney' Subject: Odp: the big gundown - reissue - ----- Original Message ----- From: Verstraeten Stefan > Here are the tracks and players: > -The sicilian clan (feldman, friedlander, ribot, cohen, baron, baptista) > -Macchie Solari (hatori, saft) > -The ballad of Hank McCain (patton, saft, baptista) > -Suegliatti & Uccidi (ribot, bailey, dunn, baron) > -Chi Mai (feldman, friedlander, ribot, cohen, baron, baptista) Were they recorded at the same sessions that the rest of the album were? The lineup are very 90's-like... i would be surprised by Bar Kokhba records from the '80s... Marcin Gokieli marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:19:56 +0200 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Elevator over the hill > Does anyone know if the restaging of it from about four years ago was > recorded (legally or otherwise)? I know it was filmed... It was brodacsted on 'muzzik', a french TV channell. A friend of mine recorded it. To days later, the tape was accidentally re-recorded. So I've never seen it. (And about the tower records list) somebody wrote: > Why not? I own records by James Brown, the Meters, Neil Young, Black > Sabbath and Marvin Gaye as well as Escalator Over the Hill. I also enjoy > that Jefferson Starship song "Jane" when it's on the radio. I suppose it's > possible someone could like EOTH and the Go-betweens, whoever they are. What is REALLY surprising on the list is Sabbath's 'mob rules'. Why that one? Marcin Gokieli marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #16 ****************************** To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? 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