From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #80 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Friday, September 29 2000 Volume 03 : Number 080 In this issue: - Drummers Drummers Re: Graewe/Hemingway/Howard @ Goethe Institut last night Re: Graewe/Hemingway/Howard @ Goethe Institut last night Re: Drummers drummers as leaders? Re: drummers as leaders? RE: percussion Re: Drummers Re: and more drummerz Re: heavy days are here again (italian klezmer & shostakovich) drummerz gigs recalled: previte hemingway cyrille & zerang Graewe vs. Andriessen Drummers Re: Han and Terrie Pluramon US tour dates Guy/Gustafsson/Strid disc Re: drums Re: drums Re: Guy/Gustafsson/Strid disc new releases Re: drummers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:06:24 -0600 From: smokey@laplaza.org Subject: Drummers Speaking of twisted drummers, did anybody catch Jim "Drumbo" French with the Rova Saxophone Quartet at KF-Hollywood September 27? What happened? I especially add praises for Jim Black - those Tim Berne Bloodcount Screwgun records - Aiii! Dan aqui en Taos - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:16:21 -0600 From: smokey@laplaza.org Subject: Drummers JOHN - I meant JOHN, not Jim - "Drumbo" French with the Rova Saxophone Quartet at KF-Hollywood September 27. see you Dan aqui en Taos - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:17:39 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Graewe/Hemingway/Howard @ Goethe Institut last night In a message dated 9/29/00 2:49:23 PM, dan@synsolutions.com writes: << <messing around as far as I could see.>> > >to be fair, major parts of his keyboard had broken a few days before. he >looked into renting a replacement, but it was a $6000 deposit, plus $75 a day. That doesn't change the nature of the performance. I don't think it's important for me to know that and knowing that doesn't make the performance better. Sorry to be harsh but that's how I feel. >> well, of course it doesn't change the nature of the performance, it's merely factual information as to why the performance may have seemed that way to you. if you saw a guitarist play a set with two broken strings, would that be relevant information when discussing the performance later on? Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:21:33 -0400 From: Dan Hewins Subject: Re: Graewe/Hemingway/Howard @ Goethe Institut last night >well, of course it doesn't change the nature of the performance, it's merely >factual information as to why the performance may have seemed that way to >you. if you saw a guitarist play a set with two broken strings, would that be >relevant information when discussing the performance later on? Yes, I suppose it would. Point taken. Dan - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:24:38 EDT From: Jeffcalt@aol.com Subject: Re: Drummers smokey@laplaza.org writes: > Speaking of twisted drummers, did anybody catch Jim "Drumbo" French with > the Rova Saxophone Quartet at KF-Hollywood September 27? What happened? I didn't see it, but the LA Times review said the collaboration (for only a few songs) didn't fly real well. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:25:35 EDT From: CuneiWay@aol.com Subject: drummers as leaders? >funny thing, tho, is i think it's a rare drummer that does excels as a >leader. >anyone agree? Anyone who likes: Magma [Christian Vander] Univers Zero [Daniel Denis] Tony Williams Lifetime [T.W.] 5uu's [Dave Kerman] Art Bears/Science Group [Chris Cutler as co-leader] Volapuk [Guigou Chenevier] and a bunch of others I can't take the time off from work to think of right now... might disagree with you on this. Steve F. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 21:33:10 +0200 From: "Jerzy Matysiakiewicz" Subject: Re: drummers as leaders? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 9:25 PM Subject: drummers as leaders? > >funny thing, tho, is i think it's a rare drummer that does excels as a > >leader. > >anyone agree? > John Hiseman /Colosseum/ Aynsley Dunbar /Retaliation/ Keef Hartley /K.H. Band/ Pierre Courbois /Association P.C/ Jack DeJohnette /Compost/ Ginger Baker /Air Force/ Limpe Fuchs /Anima/ Jerzy - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 14:45:22 -0600 From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S) " Subject: RE: percussion I haven't seen any mention of James Tenny's works for solo percussion on Hat Art so I thought I'd put in a little support for Mr. Tenny. Matt Wirzbicki - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 23:10:07 +0200 From: Tim Blechmann Subject: Re: Drummers What about "Euclid's Nightmare"? Zorn with Bobby Previte. Great improvised music. David Moss is a great drummer, too, although he is much more known as a singer. But his style on drums is as eccentric as he sings. Check out MY FAVOURITE THINGS or MOSS TALES or his DENSE BAND. Rashied Ali: Coltrane's Expressions, Stellar Regions, Interstellar Space. The greatest Coltrane recordings. Thursday, September 28, 2000, 11:05:59 PM, you wrote: ObviousEye> I am interested in the zornlist's opinion on drummers/drumming. if you were ObviousEye> to ObviousEye> compile a list of the best drum/percussion related or percussion dominated ObviousEye> records, ObviousEye> what would they be, and from what genres? ObviousEye> and who are the best drummers, in the region of innovation/technicality? ObviousEye> this is all opinion based of course... ObviousEye> ben o. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:55:01 -0400 From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: and more drummerz At 01:17 PM 9/29/00 -0500, kurt_gottschalk@scni.com wrote: > >funny thing, tho, is i think it's a rare drummer that does excels as a leader. >anyone agree? Edward Vesala Bobby Previte np. Don Byron, Bug Music (great interview in the most recent Cadence) - -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. - -- Satchel Paige - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:10:41 -0500 From: "sergio luque" Subject: Re: heavy days are here again (italian klezmer & shostakovich) : > np: hot azoi (italian klez band does shostakovich [snip] what?!?!, could you please give me more info? thanks in advance, __________________________________________________ sergio luque sergio@tomate.com.mx - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 20:36:39 EDT From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: drummerz gigs recalled: previte hemingway cyrille & zerang << michael zerang, paul lovens, gerry hemingway, andrew cyrille>> gosh kurt, you reminded me of some of the greatest gigs ive ever seen in my life... one with zerang at roulette with fred longberg holm (first time i'd ever heard of them- thanks always to jim staley's programming at roulette.org), an amazing live set with the always amazing hemingway with electronics guy thomas lehn at experimental intermedia (lemme plug their 2cd set on erstwhile recpords which they recorded on their tour before i saw them and had to buy this disc on the spot- hi jon) and at the new museum (which used to present improv but no more concerts now) a duet with previte and cyrille, my first experience with previte and man oh man if anyone did something so evil as to boot a recording of that night i will be yr slave... oh yeah and the outdoors at lincoln crt thing i forgot who was the leader, but cyrille played a solo at least five minutes simply flexing a cymbal with such....musicality, that the whole crowd was up on their feet roaring.... "give the drummer some!" steve koenig laFolia.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 20:47:39 EDT From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: Graewe vs. Andriessen I love most of what Ive heard of Graewe and never heard him live, yet one must make choices, and I'd already committed to a pal to see Andriessen, who was ill and did not make the flight for the preconcert talk. I'd loved him at first ear, 20 yrs ago, then got bored, and now again listened again to the 5 LPs i have on Donemus which later became Composers Voice, or is that backwards. Anyway, some of this stuff is great and some is trite. Last night was a mixed bag, but the clear highlight was a world premiere, a piece for chamber orch, electronic and film by (the unknown to me) filmmaker Hal Harley which was very very witty and enjoyable; that's too mild. it was hysterical. now if i ever stop reading these posts i can finish writing it up for LaFolia.com. love to all Steve Koenig n.p.: The Rimshots: Down To Earth (Stang LP) protodisco - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 10:20:33 +0930 From: "Michael Vandelaar" Subject: Drummers Hamid Drake - to link in with the surrealist music thread, I first saw Drake perform with the Sun Song Ensemble, which included Douglas Ewart & George Lewis, at the World Surrealist Exhibition in Chicago in 1976. Tony Oxley - check his work with Anthony Braxton on "Seven Compositions (Trio) 1989" on hat ART and with The Feel Trio (Cecil Taylor, William Parker, Oxley). Also Sunny Murray, Milford Graves & Rashied Ali. For rock drumming - Bill Kreutzman of the Grateful Dead One of the best drummers I've seen was Carlton Barrett in Bob Marley's band the Wailers. Cheers, Michael - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:37:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Novak Subject: Re: Han and Terrie >Subject: Han & Terrie >Hello,Another Han Bennink question: >Has anybody heard his duo with Terrie from The Ex? >Might be the perfect >punk/jazz combination.ARTHUR_G Is this the one with Han and a guitar player? I saw it once and thought it looked interesting, but didn't know enough about the guitar guy to buy it. Seemed like it might be aggressive and noisy, which would appeal to me. - ---Ryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 22:39:23 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Pluramon US tour dates I think I posted a less detailed version of this here a month ago, but here'= s=20 the full schedule. Pluramon is Marcus Schmickler's "headbangin=B4, pretty=20 archetypical, minimal electronic virtual rock project" which he'll be=20 performing with a live drummer on most dates, Cologne's Jochen R=FCckert. he= =20 also expects the two NYC shows to be somewhat different, the OM in-store wil= l=20 be more delicate and subtler, while the Knitting Factory show will try to=20 take advantage of the larger speaker system and be more "bangin'". anyone se= e=20 the LA or SF shows? Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com=20 - ------------------------------------------------- THU 9/28 LOS ANGELES, CA KNITTING FACTORY - 7021 Hollywood Blvd. LA 323-463-0204 TICKETS: $10 advance / $12 door DOORS: 9PM 9:00PM - Datach'i, 10:00PM - kid606, 11:00PM - Pluramon FRI 9/29 SAN FRANCISCO, CA BOTTOM OF THE HILL - 1233 17th Street, SF 510-601-0431 TICKETS: $10 Times to be announced, also performing DAT POLITICS from France SAT 9/30 SEATTLE, WA CROCODILE CAFE - 2200 2nd Ave TICKETS: $8 10:00PM - Datach'i, 11:00PM - kid606, 12:00AM - Pluramon MON 10/2 NEW YORK, NY OTHER MUSIC Pluramon instore FREE! 8PM TUES 10/3 NEW YORK, NY KNITTING FACTORY - 74 Leonard St. 212-219-3006 TICKETS: $10 advance / $12 day of show 10:00PM - Datach'i, 11:00PM - kid606, 12:00AM - Pluramon THU 10/4 DETROIT, MI MOTOR LOUNGE=20 TICKETS: $8 advance / $10 day of show 10:00PM - Datach'i, 11:00PM - kid606, 12:00AM - Pluramon FRI 10/6 CLEVELAND, OH SPEAK IN TONGUES call Bent Crayon for info: 216-221-9200 SAT 10/7 CHICAGO, IL EMPTY BOTTLE, 1035 N. Western Ave 773-276-3607 TICKETS: $8 advance / $10 day of show 10:00PM - Datach'i, 11:00PM - kid606, 12:00AM - Pluramon - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 20:23:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Novak Subject: Guy/Gustafsson/Strid disc Hi, A while back someone mentioned this recording ("You Forget to Answer") in response to my request for more "Mouth Eating Trees" type improv. I've discovered that it's on the Maya label, but I don't know where I can purchase it from. Any help is appreciated, thanks. Don't forget to answer... - ---Ryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 20:24:25 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?A?= Subject: Re: drums I can't believe no one mentioned the Kodo Drummers yet. Breathtaking. I'm also highly biased towards Joey Baron, Mick Harris and Mike Portnoy. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 03:34:34 GMT From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: Re: drums >From: A >I can't believe no one mentioned the Kodo Drummers yet. Breathtaking. > Yes, I agree absolutely. And another that has slipped our obvious eyes is Famoudou Don Moye, who has always impressed me when I've seen him live with his agility and subtlety. I'll also heartily endorse Brian's earlier suggestion of Samulnori and the Drums of Death CD. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 00:10:33 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Guy/Gustafsson/Strid disc In a message dated 9/29/00 11:24:02 PM, ryan_novak@yahoo.com writes: << A while back someone mentioned this recording ("You Forget to Answer") in response to my request for more "Mouth Eating Trees" type improv. I've discovered that it's on the Maya label, but I don't know where I can purchase it from. >> North Country (www.cadencebuilding.com) has it in stock under the hilariously Prince-like title of "U FORGOT 2 ANSWER". Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 05:08:55 GMT From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: new releases Well I might have perhaps beaten NYC residents and bought a CD before they did. Just got the new Marclay/Yoshihide collaboration "Moving Parts" and have been enjoying it immensely. I think the most interesting tracks are at the end of the CD, especially "Fanfare" and "Distant Trip" though another track with old circa '30s jazz sampled in is quite nice as well. And I believe I'm hearing a lawn mower revving up on one track as well. Only 10 tracks are listed but there's an eleventh which is only silence until the 15 minute mark, followed by a 53 second exchange that includes sampled opera. I'm sure others will be much better than I at identifying all the samples used. As for the description, I'll leave that for our maestro Steve Smith, whom I have no pretense at exceeding. I've liked Sussan Deyhim's collaborations with Laswell, particularly her vocal track on Hashisheen, but I'd never gotten any of her recordings until Madman of God and belatedly Majoun, with Richard Horowitz. Reggie Workman and Raz Mesinai show up on the former, along with a host of other Middle Eastern musicians of various origins. The melodies are based on the Sufi poems of Rumi, Saadi, Djami, Hafez, and other writers from the 11th to the 19th centuries. Of the two, though, I think Majoun is the strongest; in fact I'm sure it will be one of my favorites of the year, though as usual I'm arriving three years late. Other opinions welcome.... NP: Muslimgauze, Your Mines in Kabul, Disc 3, "Lahore--Extended Version" _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 05:24:07 GMT From: "robert ludington" Subject: Re: drummers Ahhh! i go away for a few days & find the zorn list in full swing (300 new messages to plow through) and a lenghty disccusion of drummers! Well, because i play drums and i've always found drummer the most exciting part of a band since i was a kid, i must put in my 2 cents! I've noticed alot of the more obvious(and deserving!) choices mentioned already; Tony Williams, Jim Black, RSJ, Sussie Ibarra.... I'd like to add: Mick Harris(someone already mentioned him too i think)- Zorn really mannaged to pull out a creative side of him in Painkiller that isn't that apparent to me in the early Napalm Death & in Scorn albums(tho i like both of these). I guess I am just a sucker for drumming that is both monumentally heavy and also very fluid, changing, and Harris is not constantly hitting the backbeat, also turning the beat around, doing things that sound really complicated but are still 4/4.... Danny Arnold Lommen - The drummer for Caspar Brotzmann's Masaker group.... definitely someone I'd say fits into the heavy-yet-sensative to dynamics group. I've heard a few cuts from Caspar's newest and am really missing the old rythem section. Lommen's playing invites closer inspection, because there are alot of minute details that i've only noticed when really concentrating on the music.... someone mentioned Bozzio's 4 way independance, but that often seems too flashy to me. Lommen throws in tiny little accents that make me shake my head because he's kept the heavy main rythem chugging the whole time. Plus, I can't help but admire his ability to keep his place in those monolithic landscapes of sound Caspar calls "songs". What i'd give to see that band live... *sigh* Dale Crover(Melvins) - Hmmm, I am noticing a trend with all these guys being on the heavier side of things, but i guess I'll let the free-jazz to be discussed by those a little more versed in it... I saw the Melvins last spring in Philly and am still blown away. Debated following them around like Dead Heads used to for the GD(wonder what sort of nickname obssesive Melvins fans would be called?). I can't sure if it was just the impression left on me, or if the second set truely was just a 45 minute medley of their material, with no breaks.... Dale is the only drummer I'd pay to see in a thong either. hehe. But seriously, the things he does with time, and the stamina he has leave me with my mouth hanging open... still trying to determine what half the precussion sounds on the drum solo/closing song on Bullhead are. damn. Jeremiah Green(Modest Mouse) - Saw them this past Monday & it was a toss up for that show or Jim Black's Alas no Axis, who I doubt will be in Philly again any time soon either.. oh well. His style just rocks because it is about the equivalent of Elvin Jones playing indie rock... sometimes tight & punctuating and sometimes flowing, bordering on sloppy, filling up empty holes in the beat with ghost notes & fills.... it seems like he tried to fill up more space when MM were still playing as a trio live, and their albums were less produced, but I will always enjoy the way he is willing to play around with established parts, just enough to make it interesting to hear the smae songs over & over again.... OK, I appologize for my long-windedness, lack of Zorn related content & my creative attempts at spelling, but it's not often there is a chance for me to rant to likeminded people without it seeming pretentious or whatnot, and be able to describe things with more than just "yeah, he kicks ass at drums!"... Other awesome drummers(or bands with good drummers i can't recall the names of right now): Sara Lund(Unwound), Jim White(Dirty Three), Shellac, Ted Epstine(BIG, any other bands he's in?), God, Godflesh, nomeansno, Jeff Sipe(love the albums with him & Hellborg)... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #80 ****************************** To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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