From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #88 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Monday, October 2 2000 Volume 03 : Number 088 In this issue: - zorn uptown manhattan show? Re: beatles....no zorn content. sorry for the unrelated post. Re: violin Bill Laswell's Reconstructions Re: Seppuku Mark Molnar & Seppuku p. haynes re: SEPPUKU Re: p. haynes Re: Bill Laswell's Reconstructions Re: beatles white album Re: Beatles...and organs Re: muslimgauze Re: p. haynes Re: p. haynes Violinists & geniuses Re: graewe et. al. Rautavaara ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 17:41:34 -0400 From: Ian Farrell Subject: zorn uptown manhattan show? I got a flyer for a zorn chamber music concert uptown around lincoln center and now I have lost it and forgotten the name of the venue. Anyone know of the event here in manhattan in the next few months or early next year at a jewish focussed institution of somesort? THANKS! - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:48:52 -0400 From: "&c." Subject: Re: beatles....no zorn content. sorry for the unrelated post. I will preface this with saying that I am a Beatles fan and have been for some time... I agree with the definition of Pop Music, but the Beatles transcended merely pop music. In some ways they transcended rock. They "took risks," that weren't really such. No one without millions of fans could make something like The White Album popular. It sold solely by the grace of them being the Beatles. Where The White Album is interesting, it isn't worthy of the attention it received. It sounds like the went into the studio and screwed around. In their defense, their screwing around sounds a lot better than most of us "people of average intellect" would sound. Experimentation is allowed more freely when a person or group establishes a reputation for genius. Not all Zorn albums are brilliant, but "they are" because he's Zorn (No slander against Mr. Zorn, I love the guy as much as any). If experimentation can be seen as such not as genius, then I'm fine with it. &c. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 18:04:23 -0400 From: Mathieu Belanger Subject: Re: violin Hello, >Last year, I was visiting my sister in Ottawa, Canada, and she took me to a >show at the National Gallery. >There was a trio playing called Seppuku. >The main guy in the band played violin and cello. >Does anyone know his work? >Mark Molnar (maybe I spelled it wrong?). >(...) >My sister said he was performing in Montreal at the same place that the >Vandermark 5 just played at, sometime in October... is anyone going? >I'm in New York and won't be able to make it. That would be Casa del Popolo. It is not listed on the calender they have on the constellation web site (http://www.cstrecords.com/html casadelpopolo.html): 10.04 Parts Unknown (T.O.), Detroit Metal 10.06 Sackville 10.07 Alien8 night 10.13 Great Balancing Act (Moncton) 10.15 monthly spoken word night 10.19 1-Speed Bike (record release), The Radio Orchestra, Technot 10.21 Umetik Umetum 10.24 Tarantel (USA) 10.28 American Devices On the other hand, their board list much more thing than this list... Maybe somebody with a better memory visited the Casa recently? I would probably go, your description sounds interesting. Mathieu - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:11:45 -0400 From: "Neil H. Enet" Subject: Bill Laswell's Reconstructions Hello list, I've been enjoying a lot Bill Laswell's reocnstructions albums. I have Miles Davis Panthalassa's, Bob Marley's Dreams of Freedom, Imaginary Cuba, Emerald Aether (the Irish one). What else reconstructions are out there? Thanks in advance Neil H. Enet - ------------ NP. CIBO MATTO: viva! la woman - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:33:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Novak Subject: Re: Seppuku >From: "jacob melville" Subject: Re: violin >RE: VIOLIN PLAYERS >Last year, I was visiting my sister in Ottawa, >Canada, >and she took me to a show at the National Gallery. >There was a trio playing called Seppuku. >The main guy in the band played violin and cello.Does >anyone know his work? >Mark Molnar (maybe I spelled it wrong?). >It was improv within compositions, and he was out of >this world. Both on >violin and cello. I'd put him up there with everyone >we've been talking >about. It was unbelievable. Hey, I actually met Mark Molnar at the Victo Festival last year. He wasn't performing, but he and a friend did see me trying to figure out how to work a parking slip machine- "I'm American, how do you work this machine?". Though that was never forgotten, I ended up watching a lot of the shows with him and his friends. Nice guy, as well as his friends. >During the middle of a long violin piece, he wove the >strangest melody in >and out of a HUGE vocalulary of sounds, and there >were people around me >CRYING. I've never seen anything like it. I'm very interested to hear that, since I never saw him play live. I like the recording a lot, but that sounds really impressive. >quiet and personal, but the live performance was damn >powerful. >Does anyone know where he's from? He's from Ottawa as far as I know. I think there was an email contact on his disc where you might find out about performance dates too, if you haven't already tried. And I bought his CD at the Black Tomato in Ottawa on my journey home, a place his friend ran where you can eat, drink and listen to CDs before you buy. They had lots of avant-garde/cool stuff there too. Very nice to give a listen to things first, not many places do that. Wish something like that was nearer me. Anyway, Ryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 19:58:07 +0000 From: Philippe Dupuis Subject: Mark Molnar & Seppuku - -RE: VIOLIN PLAYERS - -Mark Molnar (maybe I spelled it wrong?). mark is a good friend of mine and i would say that humble & intelligent are two very good words to describe him. in fact, i've JUST finished a 16mm short film called Hopeful Losers - which he did the soundtrack for. it got played in Moncton's (New Brunswick) FICFA film festival a couple of weeks ago. the music is divided in two themes/ characters and consists of i) string work (violin, cello, viola) ii) percussive work (cymbals, wood blocks and guitar) - -Has anyone seen him perform? i haven't had the chance to see him perform, but i have his Seppuku album called The Awesome Houses of Earth's Innocents. it's on the Spectra Sonic label ... http://www.spectrasonic.com/newsite/ he also plays with two other bands (that i know of) called Rake and Brandon Walsh. martin - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 16:04:14 -0700 From: "graham connah" Subject: p. haynes > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - --MS_Mac_OE_3053347454_1581096_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit jeff C. said: This was actually {Haynes'} first-ever show on the West Coast, altough him and Golia have performed together in New York. Great performance. not so. at yoshi's in oakland in 94 with ben goldberg, and again there earlier this year with golberg again. jeff also said: How could I forget? Dolphy/Mingus--a great combo that never recorded as a duo. .. perhaps not intentionally. but their duet on "i can't get started" from wuppertal, 4-26-1964, is on an Enja release called Mingus In Europe. their duet on These Foolish Things from Stuttgart 4-28-64 was bootlegged on the fantastic Mingus In Stuttgart (unique jazz label). sorry bout the MIME, can't seem to get it to go aw==4)=-+?:x'"""ay. graham - - - - --MS_Mac_OE_3053347454_1581096_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable p. haynes jeff C. said:
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him and Golia have performed together in New York.  Great performance.=  

not so. at yoshi's in oakland in 94 with ben goldberg, and again there earl= ier this year with golberg again.




jeff also said:

How could I forget?  Dolphy/Mingus--a great combo that never recorded = as a
duo. ..

perhaps not intentionally. but their duet on "i can't get started"= ; from wuppertal, 4-26-1964, is on an Enja release called Mingus In Europe. = their duet on  These Foolish Things from Stuttgart 4-28-64 was bootlegg= ed on the fantastic Mingus In Stuttgart (unique jazz label).


sorry bout the MIME, can't seem to get it to go aw=3D=3D4)=3D-+?:x'""&q= uot;ay.


graham
- - - - --MS_Mac_OE_3053347454_1581096_MIME_Part-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 17:04:08 MDT From: "jacob melville" Subject: re: SEPPUKU I just talked to my sister. She phoned Casa del Popolo to get tickets for SEPPUKU. They will be playing there on October 17th. No idea who is opening for them, and she had no idea what his band will be. I found an interview with Mark Molnar from SEPPUKU at www.iam.bubblegumcage.com Matthieu, you said you'd check it out? Let me know how it goes. I'm not in Canada right now and I can't go. Ryan, What is the Black Tomato? A Restaurant that sells CD's???? Is that what you said???? (weird). Another violinist to add to the list is Iva Bittova, who was at the Victoriaville festival too (if i remember correctly). Has anyone ever seen her perform? I saw her in Munich with Tom Cora and it was great. She's quite an artist!!!! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:30:01 EDT From: Jeffcalt@aol.com Subject: Re: p. haynes connah@earthlink.net writes: > not so. at yoshi's in oakland in 94 with ben goldberg, and again there > earlier this year with golberg again. well, maybe someone should remind him. or perhaps i heard 'em wrong...maybe it was just the first time he'd played LA. I thought I heard emcee Alex Cline announce something like "first time on the West Coast, right Phil?" ah, minutiae. jeff - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 23:33:51 GMT From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: Re: Bill Laswell's Reconstructions >From: "Neil H. Enet" > I've been enjoying a lot Bill Laswell's reocnstructions albums. I have >Miles Davis Panthalassa's, Bob Marley's Dreams of Freedom, Imaginary Cuba, >Emerald Aether (the Irish one). > >What else reconstructions are out there? Sapho, "Digital Sheika" Aisha Kandisha's Jarring Effects, "Shabeestation" Boris Feoktistov, "Russian Chants" Somma I, "Hooked on Light Rays" Pharoah Sanders, "Message From Home" If you like rap, Material, "Intonarumori" _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 19:51:32 -0400 From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: beatles white album At 05:48 PM 10/2/00 -0400, &c. wrote: >No one without millions of fans could make something >like The White Album popular. It sold solely by the grace of them being= the >Beatles. Where The White Album is interesting, it isn't worthy of the >attention it received. It sounds like the went into the studio and screwed >around. In their defense, their screwing around sounds a lot better than >most of us "people of average intellect" would sound. You're correct about screwing around. George Martin always said he wished he could have edited it down to one excellent disc. But more importantly, I use the White Album, specifically Revolution #9, as a reference point for my current tastes, because it's the only musique concr=E8te that many people are likely to have ever heard. Zappa was doing it in the 60s too, but no one remembers Only Money the way they do the White Album. - -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. - -- Satchel Paige - - ------------------------------ Date: 2 Oct 2000 23:57:04 -0000 From: "Tim Keenliside" Subject: Re: Beatles...and organs On Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:30:12 +0200 Jerzy Matysiakiewicz wrote: > Dave Stewart (Egg) >Oh, yeah, but don't forget 'bout the great "Arzachel" LP with Steve Hillage > ...or their later collaboration on 'Space Shanties' by Khan, Hillage's band with the drummer and bassist from 'Crazy World of Arthur Brown', which leads us to Vincent Crane, and some pretty amazing rock organisms with Atomic Rooster! As for the Beatles, they were certainly more than a pop group, they were a social and cultural phenomenon, and as it goes, I would not have gotten into all this great musick, if not for them! They opened up everyone's ears to new sounds, their use of the sitar (predated by the Yardbirds for what that's worth) meant everyone 'discovered' and listened to Indian classical music. When McCartney namechecked Stockhausen, we all went looking for his records, a Capt. Beefheart poster in a photo of Lennon led us to 'Safe As Milk'. Their instrumental abilities mean nothing in the context, they were merely a conduit for a veritable flood of new concepts that burst into public consciousness from the 'beat' underground. If anything, they were 'divinely' inspired, and certainly props should go to George Martin, the studio 'genius' who translated their ideas into reality. There is no musician who followed them, who remains untouched by their influence! Please, do yourself a favour, go and listen to 'Tomorrow Never Knows', 'I Am The Walrus', 'Strawberry Fields Forever', 'Revolution #9', 'Inner Light', 'A Day In The Life', and then try to convince us that they were an overrated mediocre pop band.. _____________________________________________________________ Email your boss can't read - sign up for free disinfo.net email at http://www.disinfo.com, your gateway to the underground - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 23:59:33 GMT From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: Re: muslimgauze >From: Scott Handley >I cruised to the "official" Muslimgauze site last >night and was shocked to learn that Bryn Jones (aka >Muslimgauze) died abruptly almost two years ago. I'd >read some about his staggeringly huge catalog and >hoped someone could direct me to some good recording >to start with; stuff _you_ like. Descriptions would >be appreciated, and if you're not comfortable OT-ing >the Zorn-list, e.mail me off-list. The Muslimgauze I like best is the pre-distortion stuff, circa 1993: "Veiled Sisters," "Salaam Aleikum Bastard," "Vote Hezbollah," and "Zulm." Unfortunately, only Veiled and Zulm are in print. The heavier, dubbier stuff would include "Arab Quarter," "Narcotic," "Observe with Sadiq Bey," "Hussein Mahmood Jeeb Tehar Gass." My favorite is probably "Narcotic." The distorted stuff includes "Farouk Engineer" and "Mazar-I-Sharif." Some of it gets pretty repetitive, especially the late era stuff. But he's still one of the more fascinating innovators of electronica going, using rhythms, voice samples etc. There's a free CD download on the aforementioned site called "Jebel Tariq" which is pretty representative. Since he was so prolific, most of the work is released in very limited editions and goes out of print all the time. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:15:43 -0700 From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: p. haynes >>>not so. at yoshi's in oakland in 94 with ben goldberg, and again there earlier this year with golberg again.<<< First ever Los Angeles performance. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:22:52 -0700 From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: p. haynes >>>not so. at yoshi's in oakland in 94 with ben goldberg, and again there earlier this year with golberg again.<<< First ever Los Angeles performance. It is hard for us to admit the West Coast keeps going north of us. - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:56:56 +0930 From: "Michael Vandelaar" Subject: Violinists & geniuses Sherlock Holmes Cheers, Michael - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 21:50:46 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: graewe et. al. Whit Schonbein wrote: > the dissapointment lies in the fact that graewe's duo album with frank > kutowski (sp) (who plays tenor sax) is great, as is his work with the > graewe / risinjer/ hemingway trio. these works are, in my opinion, > essential As is, for my money, one of the greatest free improv CDs I've heard yet, 'Spellings' by Frisque Concordance, released in 1995 on the Random Acoustics label. The rest of the group: John Butcher, Hans Schneider and Martin Blume. Breathtaking. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - bad new TV show with Oliver Platt - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:58:53 EDT From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Rautavaara For all of you who were kind enough to share your wealth of knowledge and time with me concerning my classical music question last week, I've just received the first three of five Rautavaara CDs I ordered. (I actually ORDERED six CDs, but only five of them were in stock.) Disc one -- The Flute Concerto -- is not as good as the Violin Concerto I heard on the radio last week, but it is still a beautiful and challenging piece. Highly recommended. I hope the Violin Concerto will arrive tomorrow. And again, thanks for all your help. Cheers, Tom ________________________________________________ The dignity of art appears to the greatest advantage perhaps in music, because that art contains no material to be deducted. It is wholly form and intrinsic value, and it elevates and ennobles everything which it expresses. --Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #88 ****************************** To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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