From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #92 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Tuesday, October 3 2000 Volume 03 : Number 092 In this issue: - Re[2]: zorn uptown, no zorn content Re: Re: [none] New Derek Bailey Re: New Derek Bailey when I was a child sitar/rap Re: ilhan mimaroglu Peripatetic constructions and wop movies locus solus Don Cherry the biggest fool in the school Odp: when I was a child Merzbow quote fluxus anthology Forward Motion State 51 Beatles Medley etc. Re: fluxus anthology Conn Re: New Derek Bailey boy re the upstart starts up, and hits a logic wall because his cricket eyes were looking the other way ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:02:23 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: Re[2]: zorn uptown, no zorn content Steve Smith Says he Stood: on the corner of 18th Street and Sixth Avenue with a DAT recorder and tape the sounds of the street outside Cage's last apartment building. I felt pretty self-conscious doing it, which is why it delighted me to listen on headphones later. sounds like the same apartment he was in during the video interview i saw. but you listened to it on dat later? man, i wanna dub of that. i wanna walk up 6th ave. listening to it on my walkman! now THAT'S art! kg np: espn, police scanner, yelling librarian, hum of flourescent lights, my keyboard clicking and an editor on the phone. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:08:47 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: Re: Re: The Risser Family shouted: Nobody here is gonna back, say, Britney Spears... ..i might. kg - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:37:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Sigmund Nonanima Subject: [none] speaking of covers of Beatles tunes: PETER SELLERS! (his versions are, in my uninformed opinion, infinitely more entertaining than the originals) surprised-that-he's-still-on-the-list Sigmund __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:39:04 GMT From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: New Derek Bailey Hello, I nearly had a hard attack when I saw in the new issue of The Wire that there is a new CD called "The String Theory" which is "composed by Derek Bailey" Composed!? Really!? But it seems very interesting anyhow. The add also mentiones that the CD is only made of feedback sounds. I "always" thought that Bailey was the best feedback guitarplayer, even it's very rare you get to hear it. Evan Parker mentioned somewhere that one of the reasons he started playing with the circular breething technique, was so he could play with Baileys extended feedback. Sounds very interesting! Any recordings of that? Actually, any recommendations on Bailey CDs with heavy feedback playing would be interesting. Has anybody heard the "String Theory" CD yet? And what about the review in The Wire of the new Alex Ward/Derek Bailey duo CD? I take the reviewer is joking most of the time... I NEVER heard about any Bailey CD called anything with "Plays The Music OF.." and what's that about religious cults?! Any comments? ARTHUR_G _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:48:50 GMT From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: New Derek Bailey I wrote: >I nearly had a hard attack when I saw in the new issue of The Wire Uh, hehe, that would be "heart attack"! ARTHUR_G _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:48:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Sigmund Nonanima Subject: when I was a child Risser Family" wrote: >> THE BEATLES WERE OVERRATED (ARE OVERRATED) >I used to think this too, when I was a child. when I was a child, and an adolescent, I owned all but one or two of the Beatles albums available on CD. I loved them--although I never understood why everyone thought Sgt. Peppers was the best one... anyway, you can see that I have listened long and hard. In high school, I used to sit with Beatles songbooks and try to memorize all the chords (I already knew all the lyrics). but then I got bored. I hung on to the albums for a couple of years, if only to hear the countoff on Taxman or the production on a couple of the albums, but when I was 19 I finally got rid of all of them, gave them to my girlfriend (I probably should've traded them at a used music store, though). I still enjoy Revolution, and the end of Hey Jude makes me laugh like no other pop song. I could still sing the lyrics to most of the songs, if I heard them come on an oldies station. So, it's not like I've always disliked the Beatles and held these other controversial (for some damn reason) views. I used to dig with the crowd, too. Sinnin' Sigmund __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:59:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Sigmund Nonanima Subject: sitar/rap Matt Laferty wrote: >And speaking of sitars: Is anyone else on this list >obsessed with Sitar/Pop crossovers besides the >beatles? I did a radio show of all-sitar crossover >stuff a couple of months ago that was well recieved. how about sitar/rap? the NY rap group Company Flow has an amazing DJ, DJ Mr. Len (Space Ghost), who uses a great slinky sitar sample on "The Fire in Which You Burn." If anyone on the list is into rap--and I hope this might be so--check out Company Flow if you haven't already. "Funcrusher Plus" is the only album I've heard, but it's mindblowing. These guys are furious poets with impressive vocabularies--esp. for rap, which now seems to mostly consist of money, women, and clothing accessory terms. Sigmund Nonanima __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 14:05:15 -0400 From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Re: ilhan mimaroglu Someone must have mentioned it before but just in case, there's also a piece of his on "Columbia-Princeton Electronic Music Center 1961-1973" (New World, still in print): "Prelude No. 8 (To the memory of Edgard Varese)." Best, Jason - -- Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:16:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Sigmund Nonanima Subject: Peripatetic constructions and wop movies "Bill Ashline" wrote: >But I'll disagree with the absurd bastard and say >that L'Avventura stinks as a film. I find Antonioni >to be the worst of the Italian auteurs. Fellini and >Rossellini were much better in my opinion. (But if >you like Antonioni, more power to your misrecognizing >cathecting senses). I would rather watch Fellini, too, unless I'm feeling suicidal...then I'll pop in L'Avventura, which is a big mood. >Let's keep the absurd bastard on the list with his >delightful "nonanima" title--So Aristotelian. >Besides, he makes me laugh. that's my name, bro. There's a story about how my family got it, but I think it's only a story, and I won't relate it here. kindest regards, Sigmund, The Peripatetic Pugilist __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:25:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Sigmund Nonanima Subject: locus solus Rich Williams wrote: >>Incidentally, did anyone on this list see Locus Solus >>live? I know it's a long shot, but... >Which Locus Solus? I saw the Zorn/Horvitz/Mori >version twice, and the Zorn/Lindsay/Fier version at >least a dozen times, but I never caught the one with >Blegvad and the DJ though. actually, I meant any of them... so, how were the shows? was the audience similar to the one on the Tzadik disc? did Zorn seem more pissed or pleased? sigmund __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:31:58 -0700 From: "s~Z" Subject: Don Cherry NP: Don Cherry, Live Ankara, The Sonet Recordings (now that mutherfucka had a real musical sense--rest in peace, sweet cherry) Indeed. Seeing him live in many settings from solo to Codona to Old & New Dreams, etc. remain among my most satisfying music experiences. [miss him miss him miss him] - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:34:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Sigmund Nonanima Subject: the biggest fool in the school Joseph Zitt wrote: >To the best of my knowledge, the organizer of the >list has never thrown anyone off the list, and >endeavours never to do so. You are far from the >biggest fool that he has encountered here, thank you, that means a lot to me. >so I feel safe in saying that he will continue to >ignore you until you give up. wait! do you think I'm TRYING to get kicked off the list? so then I could say: I'm so cool I got kicked off the ZORN LIST, man! I pissed off the list that celebrates the rebellious and the original! I'm not really trying to do that, because--despite all the crap I type and mistype and misunderstand--I love this list, and it's been a great source of knowledge and interplay for me. I just have problems keeping my "mouth shut". >You may now cease to be surprised. No, YOU may cease to be surprised. Nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah, nyah! the childish churl, Sigmund P.S. this is the first place I've encountered more than one person to talk with about Zorn-related topics (although there's been some straying...), so naturally it has a place in my little black heart! :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:54:53 +0200 From: "Jerzy Matysiakiewicz" Subject: Odp: when I was a child - ----- Wiadomosc oryginalna ----- Od: "Sigmund Nonanima" Do: Wyslano: 3 pazdziernika 2000 19:48 Temat: when I was a child | | when I was a child, and an adolescent, Gee, but YOU ARE still an adolescent , boy . Jerzy - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:08:33 +0100 From: "Alastair Wilson" Subject: Merzbow quote Sigmund said: > (who had the Merzbow quote about noise and pop?) > Twas me, and it went "If noise means uncomfortable sound, then pop music is noise to me." - - Masami Akita from the Wire interview a couple of months ago. For me it sums up UK top 40 music of the last five years or so. Production line boyz'n'bimbos for whom the music is purely secondary to becoming famous. Al "You can't breathe dead hippo waking, sleeping and eating, and at the same time keep your precarious grip on existence." Joseph Conrad, "Heart of Darkness". - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 15:07:26 -0400 From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: fluxus anthology Does anybody know details about this CD? I found a few participants mentioned but can't tell if they're recordings from the 60s or more recent. Lang - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:14:41 +0100 From: "Alastair Wilson" Subject: Forward Motion State 51 I'd just like to say a public thank you to Simon Hopkins for drawing my attention (via this list) to the Forward Motion event in beautiful downtown Shoreditch last Saturday. The whole vibe was great, and the Schutze/Bell/Hopkins trio excellent. Nice piece on the CD too. My only gripe was that too many people seemed to be there to talk, which made concentration difficult during even the medium-loud bits. Have a word, Simon! Any London based Z-listers shoud look out for any further events at http://motion.state51.co.uk/forward/, and look forward to buying beers with bears! - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:28:26 -0400 (EDT) From: josephneff@webtv.net (Joseph Neff) Subject: Beatles Medley etc. Hello, ....must say that Eugene Chadbourne's "Beatles Medley" (1st side of "LSD C&W") is my favorite bit of Beatles deconstruction, probably because it doesn't just try to destroy the originals out of contempt, but simply alters (often radically so) the songs to fit Chad.'s style/vision. The medley features Zorn, Toshinori Kondo, Tom Cora, Kramer, David Licht, Scott Manning, and EC himself. My personal highlights are the Spike Jones in hell treatment of "Birthday" and the jazz lounge surrealism of "Octopus' Garden". Don't know if the 2LP has made the transition to CD, but if it has, I highly recommend it (for much more than just the Beatles med., natch). ...any opinions on the "Downtown Does the Beatles" comp. on Knitting Factory from a few years back? This whole Beatles thread has rekindled my interest in picking up that disc, if it's not OOP. The thing that tempted me in the first place was Chadbourne's "A Day In the Life". I remain.... Joseph "There's no boundary line to art" Charlie Parker - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 21:22:28 +0200 From: "Sen" Subject: Re: fluxus anthology - -----Message d'origine----- De : wlt4@mindspring.com =C0 : zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Date : mardi 3 octobre 2000 21:12 Objet : fluxus anthology >Does anybody know details about this CD? I found a few participants mentioned but can't tell if they're recordings from the 60s or more recen= t. > >Lang > >- > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:00:38 -0400 From: "&c." Subject: Conn This is a long shot, but here goes... Does any one out there know what good mouthpiece would be for a big bore Conn bari sax (it's late nineteen-teens, I think 1918)? I'm looking for something that will boost projection with out making it squeaky (i.e. Duckoff) Just ignore this if you don't know or don't care. Thanks Zach - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:02:08 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: New Derek Bailey In a message dated 10/3/00 1:40:24 PM, a_gadney@hotmail.com writes: << I nearly had a heart attack when I saw in the new issue of The Wire that there is a new CD called "The String Theory" which is "composed by Derek Bailey" Composed!? Really!? >> the caption on the Wire ad actually says "Unique project composed entirely of feedback". my guess is that composed was just an unfortunate choice of words by someone writing the Harmonia Mundi ad copy in a hurry. anyway, Trevor Manwaring, who runs Paratactile, told me that this won't be out for a few more weeks. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:15:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Sigmund Nonanima Subject: boy "Jerzy Matysiakiewicz" wrote: >>when I was a child, and an adolescent, >Gee, but YOU ARE still an adolescent , boy . boy? Gee, I don't know about your socio-cultural environment, but that's a racist slur where I come from. also, incidentally, I'm not an adolescent... biologically. and another thing: what does any of that have to do with the text surrounding the cut-and-pasted phrase? If you want to attack me for my views, you should address THOSE issues, not your own ag(e)ist prejudice. Uno-Brow Sigmund "The moment of signature is always affirmative, but it cannot ever quite affirm as triumphantly as it might wish: I may write in order to monumentalise or even immortalise my signature, but my signature also haunts everything I write as the weight of a past I would like to escape." --Geoffrey Bennington __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:41:56 EDT From: ObviousEye@aol.com Subject: re In a message dated 10/3/00 12:53:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: << So, these are the people who AREN"T falling for the hype. Nobody here is gonna back, say, Britney Spears or Celine Dion, the way they back the Beatles, just because it's the popular thing to do. If they say the Beatles have strengths and things worth listening to, next to Zorn and Merzbow and the Vandemark Five, it's probably because they do. That's all. Peter >> God I love this list! - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:47:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Sigmund Nonanima Subject: the upstart starts up, and hits a logic wall because his cricket eyes were looking the other way kurt_gottschalk@scni.com wrote (in his quick logic and history lessons for our sorry pal siggy): >>>Their music far surpassed most rock music at the >>>time in the realms of harmony, melody, production, >>>orchestration, diversity/eclecticism, and creative >>>output. >>THE MOTHERS OF INVENTION. >'most' does not imply 'all' well, hell, I thought it did. but seriously folks, I think the Mothers were better than the Beatles--I recommend Ben Watson's The Negative Dialectics of Poodle Play for more information. >i used to teach logic to 22-year-old punks like you god, that must have been a thankless job--although I can honestly say it can only be a good thing that someone does it. (and, seriously, do you still teach?) >zappa 1) didn't start off with a wide base of >popularity on which to build his experimentation, exactly >b) was a damn lot weirder'n'fringier than the >liverpool lads, exactly, again >and iii) was a freakin' smartass, a quality which >usually doesn't have much of a shelf life. but smartasses are usually--but not always--more entertaining than self-important cultural phenomena. and, personally, I can say that I've learned and continue to learn a lot more from Zappa and his bands than from the Beatles--both musically and socially (but mostly musically). >nevertheless, cricket, keep chomping at the bit. we >like the occasional upstart around here, or at least >we should, or at least i do. but then, i still think >the loser sneeze is funny. like them because it moves your ass, or because it settles it deeper in the groove? it doesn't seem to me that people like upstarts around here, unless they're published in some form, although I appreciate the sentiment. :) oh yeah, what was the loser sneeze again? love, Siggy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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