From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #95 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Wednesday, October 4 2000 Volume 03 : Number 095 In this issue: - Re: selfcriticism and organs Re:Bill Laswell's Reconstructions Re: list demographics Re: Age corny copia content-free-mail RE: Age Re: content-free-mail I'm ready to talk about Zorn again... Odp: content-free-mail Re: Lehn, nmperign, Palestine, Red Krayola Re: violin,Feldman and Vandermark Odp: violin,Feldman and Vandermark Re: fluxus anthology RE: Age RE: list demographics Re: Age Re:violin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 08:26:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: selfcriticism and organs Jerzy inquired: > > > Tell me please, who in your opinion was the best > organ player in the rock > > > realm between 67-72. Joseph Zitt proposed: > Depending how far you stretch "rock": Miles Davis. > As on trumpet, > not a lot of notes, but the right ones at the right > time. Scott Handley muses: Agreed---Miles did pretty sick things with the electric organ. "Rated X" from GET UP WITH IT is at once mind-numbing, chilling, posthuman, and a fucking _groove_. And not a shard of trumpet on it. Catch the, er, extended pun? (The track, I mean; poetically, a conceit. Or is that obvious?) - -----s NP: Noel Akchote, RIEN (Winter & Winter) (unnerving, and bleak; certainly best digested, if not appreciated, when semiconscious; I'm at work so there's no problem there) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 15:32:50 GMT From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: Re:Bill Laswell's Reconstructions >From: Sean BonJovi >There's surely a difference between Laswell's >dub(ious) splice jobs from existing material and, say, >Zorn's interpretation and subsequent re-recording of a >Morricone composition. "Panthalssa" was for yuppies >and fits nicely in the collection right between >"Legend" and "Hotel California". > >love, sean >n.p. Wayne Shorter "The All Seeing Eye". "There's surely a difference between Laswell's dub(ious) splice jobs from existing material and, say, `Hotel California'" B. Ashline (who was just waiting for the first pitch of the new Laswell-bashing season) BTW, 38, going on 39, and I hate my clothes.... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 11:36:01 EDT From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: list demographics In a message dated 10/4/00 11:19:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mbraendl@yorku.ca writes: << I was under the impression that most of the group fell into the mid-20s age group. It sounds like the group is a lot older now. On a somewhat related note...are there many female members of this list? >> Tom 31 Male Teacher/tutor New York np: Miles David Chronicles, Disc two nr: J.D. Salinger's "Franny and Zooey" - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:59:53 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Taylor Tierney Subject: Re: Age I'm 18, which appears to be younger than most people on this list. Any grade-schoolers? On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Arthur Gadney wrote: > Hey, > > Might be interesting to know who is the youngest member on the list. I seem > to remember an "introduction" message written by someone who was 14. > > ARTHUR_G > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 11:13:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Sigmund Nonanima Subject: corny copia kurt_gottschalk@scni.com wrote: K: sig filed: S: (man, I hope that's not meant to imply what it sounds like it implies...) speaking of covers of Beatles tunes: PETER SELLERS! (his versions are, in my uninformed opinion, infinitely more entertaining than the originals) K: tell more! S: You haven't heard Sellers' versions of She Loves You and Hard Day's Night? They're wonderful--the former features Dr. Strangelove in some kind of Nazi dungeon TALKING (no singing) to a mental patient (pure genius), the latter is a a combination speech/poetry recital over intermittent and pompous tv-orchestral music. (this stuff is SO highly recommended--and especially for Beatles fans, as I think they'd really enjoy them. from what I hear, Sellers was a big fan himself.) K: but: (S:) In high school, I used to sit with Beatles songbooks and try to memorize all the chords (I already knew all the lyrics). but then I got bored. K: as well you should have. that's not a statement about the quality of the music, however. granted, drowning oneself in technical aspects of an emotional meduim can be tedium (hey, that rhymes.), and the perception of the quality of the music is subjective, anyway--something I should've typed long ago to avoid all the negative moods and words I've inspired. (S:) (and, seriously, do you still teach?) K: hell, no! S: why not? is it because of punks like me? (I don't feel particularly antagonistic today, so none of this is sarcastic...a little drained from being the mean bastard...) Did you teach philosophy in general? I'm honestly interested, because a dear friend of mine is in the process of getting his masters in the history of philosophy in San Francisco, and he wants to teach--he's also into logic and mathematics (Wittgenstein)... anyway, I know it's off-any-topic, but I'm curious. (S:) oh yeah, what was the loser sneeze again? K: don't (cough, cough) scuse me, but don't (coughcoughgeekcough) worry about it (cough) S: geek? man, I'm just too tired to get pissed at that. You know, I've never heard it, that loser sneeze thing. Is this a generation gap? (and I am a geek, in the traditional so-says-Joe-the-no-neck-star-highschool-quarterback kind of way; I read) Okay, I'm done (with this email--awwww!) hoping the hate is reversible, Sigmund __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 11:20:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Sigmund Nonanima Subject: content-free-mail JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: >yet over the last few days, you've managed to become >the most annoying person on the zorn-list in recent >memory. you don't like the Beatles? great, fine, >more power to you (not that I agree), but tell us >once, not fifty times. I don't recall it even nearing 50... >personally, I don't find you entertaining, just a >waste of my time and bandwidth. please stop sending >cutesy, smarmy oneliners into hundreds of other >people's e-mail boxes. I'm going to a concert now, >and it'd really be nice to not have ten more >essentially content-free messages from you waiting >when I get home. okay, this is my favorite part, the e-mail war about useless e-mail. in order to rant against useless postings, someone has to post a...useless...posting. I've been through this at the work place (although, for some reason I didn't care there). Okay, in all seriousness, I promise to try not to send useless, smarmy...uh, cutesy oneliners into millions--sorry, hundreds of people's mailboxes. >as always, just my opinion. which is, of course, more valid and more electronic-space-worthy than mine... doing his best to stay pertinent, Sigmund __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:20:21 +0200 From: "Bas Terhorst" Subject: RE: Age Im 17 :) I doubt it if there's anyone younger than me. then again... Cheers, Bas - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:48:32 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: content-free-mail On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 11:20:34AM -0700, Sigmund Nonanima wrote: > JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > >as always, just my opinion. > > which is, of course, more valid and more > electronic-space-worthy than mine... One thing worth understanding is that Jon has earned a certain amount of respect within this online community through the combination of his longevity here, the continuing clarity of his observations, and his sterling efforts in furthering the music (remember music?) through his running of the Erstwhile label. Jon has made his reputation the old- fashioned way: he's earned it. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 11:30:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Sigmund Nonanima Subject: I'm ready to talk about Zorn again... "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S) " wrote: >So I guess what I'm saying is: >Sigmund, no one wants you around here anymore. ouch, highschool flashbacks. really, though. I didn't think--despite my antagonism--that this list would come down to such threatening fear-of-the-Other tactics (or is it just ye, Wirzbicki?) >No one here gets frustrated about differences of >opinion. what's THIS, then? and, honestly, I don't remember who got frustrated about my so-called Five Theses against The Beatles first, but it wasn't me. >We're all thornless roses around here you prick. you get points for that one(?), maybe a goddamn Oscar. So, does that make me just the prick, or a rose with a prick, or is the point (ha!) that everyone else here is beautiful and inoffensive while I'm the opposite? You'll have to elucidate that one, you thornless rose. I don't want it to seem like I have to get the last word in, so I'm stopping. Only music-related text from now on (from me). Unless anyone attacks me personally again--and I know I didn't start THAT, either. da prick, Sigmund __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:38:32 +0200 From: "Jerzy Matysiakiewicz" Subject: Odp: content-free-mail - ----- Wiadomosc oryginalna ----- Od: "Joseph Zitt" Do: "Sigmund Nonanima" DW: Wyslano: 4 pazdziernika 2000 19:48 Temat: Re: content-free-mail | On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 11:20:34AM -0700, Sigmund Nonanima wrote: Holy shit. Let's ignore this guy. At the beginning it was somehow entertaining now it's dusgustingly boring like flogging dead horse. Jerzy - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:14:21 -0700 From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Lehn, nmperign, Palestine, Red Krayola At 2:16 AM 10/4/00, JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > >< >to pick it up, making me wonder why nmperign has seemingly been overlooked > >in all the recent attention on the whole microvising/lowercase/blah improv > >scene. Is it because they're from Boston? Or because their records are on > >a label which otherwise releases mostly psych/rock?>> > >I'm not sure whether their records are really representative of how good >they've become recently. hopefully their next release, out soon on Selektion, >will remedy that situation. the other upcoming Selektion CD is a superb >collaboration from Kevin Drumm and Ralf Wehowsky. > I saw nmperign a while ago, they stayed at my house as well while they were in town. I was really impressed with Greg's playing, I think he has one of the most original appraoches to trumpet that I've heard in years, maybe since Butch Morris gave up playing to comprovise. I need to seek out his solo disc now that I know it exists. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:28:33 EDT From: Fastian@aol.com Subject: Re: violin,Feldman and Vandermark Drivymovie wrote 3 days and 3,000 messages ago: << Has anyone mentioned Mark Feldman yet? I think this guy is just incredible! He possesses an extraordinary technical command over his instrument (his floutando playing would be enough to sell me), like none other in jazz or improvised music. And, more importantly, he is quite possibly the most consistently creative and musical performers I have ever heard, regardless of what context he is playing in. A truly singular and versatile voice, I would say that him and Maneri do it for me the most. I especially dig his work with Dave Douglas (String group, Charms..., New & Used) and the Masada and, now defunct, Arcado string trios. Anyone have any opinions about any of his other work? I'm intrigued by his solo recording on Tzadik and his recent duo recording with Sylvie Courvoisier on Avant (who, by the way, led a very impressive ensemble, the other night at Tonic). Word, -Evan >> I would recommend The Mosaic Sextet's "Today, This Moment" on Konnex. This band is fronted By Michael Jefry Stevens(p) and Dave Douglas who both contribute all the compositions. Lots of good Feldman to be heard here, plenty of solos amid some very memorable tunes. Also, I would highly praise " Extended Animation"(Enja) by Michael Formanek, which besides Feldman has Tim Berne, Wayne Krantz and Jeff Hirshfield. This is Formanek's 2nd solo and 1 of his best, which is really saying something. Really beautiful compositions with improv seemlessly integrated into it. Its one of those releases which you memorize every note its so flawless. I had the opportunity to see this band many years ago and was amazed. Plenty to like for a Feldman fan. Another cd Feldman is on with Tim Berne is Berne's "Fractured Fairy Tales". Another masterpiece. I'm a huge Tim Berne fan and this release along with "Sanctified Dreams" really turned Berne's playing(and composing) up several notches. Another posting that I can't seem to relocate mentioned that they would like to hear Vandermark with just percussion. He has 2 that I'm aware of. His Sound in Action trio with drummers Robert Barry and Tim Mulvenna playing originals as well as many classic covers. Its called "Design In Time" on Delmark. Also, a very free 2 cd release with Paul Lytton "English Suites" on Wobbly Rail. Hard to listen to all in one sitting but has many fine moments. Cheers, John Threadgould - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:32:31 +0200 From: "Jerzy Matysiakiewicz" Subject: Odp: violin,Feldman and Vandermark Oh, I almost forget about Jason Hwang. Jerzy np - Wallenstein "Cosmic century" nr - Javier Marias "Serce tak biale" = "Corazon tan blanco" - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:41:28 +0200 From: "Sen" Subject: Re: fluxus anthology Sorry, the actual content of my previous post vanished I don't know where. Here's the info: go to http://www.ubu.com/ click on the "new resources" menu. Just after "Sound", choose "Fluxus anthology". There are audio excerpts of most of t= he tracks of this great CD. The recordings are from various dates, but quite a lot are from the 60's. > >-----Message d'origine----- >De : wlt4@mindspring.com >=C0 : zorn-list@lists.xmission.com >Date : mardi 3 octobre 2000 21:12 >Objet : fluxus anthology > > >>Does anybody know details about this CD? I found a few participants >mentioned but can't tell if they're recordings from the 60s or more rece= nt. >> >>Lang >> >>- >> >> > - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:08:08 -0400 From: Jeni Dahmus Subject: RE: Age 27, female, owns large collection of vintage dresses Jeni - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 17:37:59 -0700 From: pequet@altern.org (Benjamin Pequet) Subject: RE: list demographics 26 yo guy, neat, cut, slim build, wheat complexion, seeks 18-28 yo females for sexual pleasures, threesomes welcome, must be discreet. 30yr old deaf man like horses, dogs, walking and swimming, own car, working, very affectionate. WLTM sincere lady, 25-45 for friendship, hopefully more. My name is Julia. I would like to meet kind, sociable, comfortable blokes who are free to explore friendships for growth, over time and depth. Half Dutch male graduate (50 going on 40). I'm England born/educated. WLTM female equivalent (you don't have to be Dutch!) Super fertile male, 37, looking for lesbian couples who want to have children, no ties, absolutely clean and discrete, willing to travel, s/s, s/d, gsoh, ala. At 11:36 AM 10/4/00 -0400, Samerivertwice@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 10/4/00 11:19:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >mbraendl@yorku.ca writes: > ><< I was under the impression that most of the group > fell into the mid-20s age group. It sounds like the group is a lot older > now. On a somewhat related note...are there many female members of this > list? >> > > >Tom >31 >Male >Teacher/tutor >New York >np: Miles David Chronicles, Disc two >nr: J.D. Salinger's "Franny and Zooey" > > >- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:50:02 -0700 From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: Age 27, female, owns large collection of vintage dresses Jeni Willing to let me borrow one? (Sorry, I'll stop.) - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:16:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re:violin Well, if we're going to name every good violinist in the world, how 'bout India Cook, for our West Coast fans? She played in a late edition of the Sun Ra Arkestra, despite his purported sexism, and has an excellent CD out on Music & Arts called Redhanded with George Lewis (trombone); Larry Ochs (sopranino and tenor saxophones); Lisle Ellis (bass); Donald Robinson (drums)and Lee (percussion). And Jerzy are there any Polish jazz violinists who weren't saxophonists first? Ken Waxman - --- Jerzy Matysiakiewicz wrote: > > Oh, I almost forget about Jason Hwang. > _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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