From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #126 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Thursday, October 19 2000 Volume 03 : Number 126 In this issue: - Erik M. Re: berne/enten eller Re: Metropolis(Non-Zorn related) Tr: The great & beautiful Jeanne Lee, ill with cancer in Tijuana Re: speed copied byron ? Re: Naked City / Masada Re: Zero Masada once more... Zornlist archives? Re: Zornlist archives? Sidsel Endreson (no Zorn content, but read it, it's interesting!) What was I thinking? (again no obvious Zorn content...but maybe) Re: What was I thinking? (again no obvious Zorn content...but maybe) Re: What was I thinking? (again no obvious Zorn content...but maybe) Re: Erik M. Re: Crimson (was NC & Masada) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:50:37 +0200 From: Tim Blechmann Subject: Erik M. Does anyone know a recording of Erik M.? Right now, I couldn't find any. PEACE Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:47:54 +0200 From: Tim Blechmann Subject: Re: berne/enten eller Yes, I have this one. It is not very similar to other recordings of Tim Berne. Some some pieces sound like ECM releases, others sound more like Bloodcount. But it is no CD that you must have. PEACE Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de Thursday, October 19, 2000, 2:32:56 PM, you wrote: Hywel> anyone have a cd by the Italian band Enten Eller (with Hywel> Tim Berne guesting) called "Melquiades" ? your Hywel> opinions will be welcome... Hywel> also, Ecm are releasing a live cd by Paul Bley, Evan Hywel> Parker and Barre Phillips - "sankt gerold"...(how do Hywel> you pronounce "Barre"?!) thanks.. Hywel> __________________________________________________ Hywel> Do You Yahoo!? Hywel> Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. Hywel> http://im.yahoo.com/ Hywel> - - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:54:26 +0200 From: patRice Subject: Re: Metropolis(Non-Zorn related) Marius Ergo wrote: > > Does anyone have any knowledge of the different soundtracks that has been > made to Fritz Lang's Metropolis? On my copy the music is tottally amazing, one of the "gods" of techno, mr. jeff mills, has just released a soundtrack to this film. i know it's totally off topic, but so what... patRice np: salt city orchestra "paper music issue 2" nr: eiji yoshikawa "musashi" - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:00:23 +0200 From: "Sen" Subject: Tr: The great & beautiful Jeanne Lee, ill with cancer in Tijuana May I please ask you to read the following info. It's a bout a wonderful musician most of us adore, I think. - -----Message d'origine----- De : Margaret Davis =C0 : avantgarde list Date : jeudi 19 octobre 2000 13:02 Objet : [Avant-Garde] The great & beautiful Jeanne Lee, ill with cancer i= n Tijuana Dear Friends, I am sorry to be the bearer of sad & worrisome tidings, but as many of you already know, the great & beautiful singer / composer / educator Jeanne Lee is very ill with cancer. Please accept my apologies if you already have the following information, as I haven't the time to go through & edit my E~mail list. Jeanne was diagnosed last spring & had radical surgery in Europe at that time; afterwards, her doctor referred her to a special hospital based in California with a treatment center in Tijuana, Mexico, where advanced alternative care is available for her. Those who are interested may see the hospital's Web site for further information about this: http://www.ab-mexico-hospital.com/Hospital or E~mail integrativehospital@americanbiologics.com . Although Jeanne Lee, who has a master's degree from NYU, has been teaching at two music conservatories in Europe since 1996, she has been refused health insurance, & her family is faced with the need to raise an enormous sum of money for the treatments she desperately needs. Jeanne Lee is not only a great musician & a great educator; she's also a glorious person who moves & inspires everyone who is blessed to know her. I am sure many will want to help in every way we possibly can. So... here's what we can all do: (1) No doubt there will be many benefit concerts all over the world for Jeanne Lee. One concert that I know about at present will take place Sunday, November 5 at 3 p.m. at the Knitting Factory, 74 Leonard St. betw. Broadway & Church St's about 5 blocks below Canal St., venue information http://www.knittingfactory.com , info@knittingfactory.com , phone (212) 219~3OO6. The musicians' roster is still developing, but presently scheduled to play are Rashied Ali, Roy Campbell, Jr., Cooper~Moore, Kali Fasteau, Jason Hwang, Sensei / Shaku Joseph Jarman, Sabir Mateen, Wilber Morris, Dewey Redman, Lisa Sokolov, & others. Tickets are $2O (seniors, students & artists $15), & 9O% of the proceeds will go directly for Jeanne Lee's medical care (the Knitting Factory is keeping the other 1O%). You can come to this concert & make your financial contribution & join in celebrating Jeanne Lee & sending a lot of love & music her way. If you can't get to the concert, information on where to send financial donations follows, but I just want to suggest that perhaps you can help get a benefit concert happening for Jeanne Lee wherever you are. (2) Everyone can also send donations to help with Jeanne Lee's medical care: Please send a check payable to Emigrant Savings Bank & marked "CREDIT TO ACCOUNT OF JEANNE LEE~HAZELTON" & mail it to 5 East 42nd St., New York, NY 1OO17. The family also asks that you report your donation to her daughter Cavana via E~mail, cavana77@hotmail.com . (3) People can send cards & gifts to Jeanne Lee~Hazelton at the hospital= : c/o Hospital American Biologics Paseo Playas No. 142O Secc. Jardines Playas de Tijuana Baja California Mexico Or if you're within the U.S. & are sending a package & it's easier for you, you can send it to hospital headquarters in California, as they forward mail daily to the Tijuana center: Jeanne Lee~Hazelton c/o American Biologic Hospital 664 Marsat Court, suite D Chula Vista, CA 91911. Her daughter Naima Hazelton wrote to me a few days ago to tell me that Jeanne Lee has a tape & CD player near her bed, so a welcome gift would be recorded healing music. (As Albert Ayler said, "Music is the healing force of the universe.") (4) If you are connected with a radio station or are otherwise a member o= f the press, you may find a partial Jeanne Lee discography helpful, so I've compiled one as quickly as possible. I apologize for my mistakes & omissions; I'm under serious time pressure here. Ran Blake: "You Stepped Out of a Cloud" (Owl #O55, '89) Carla Bley: "Escalator Over the Hill" (JCOA / ECM #83931O2, '7O) Marion Brown: "Afternoon of a Georgia Faun" (ECM #1OO4, '7O) Andrew Cyrille: "Nuba" (Black Saint BSR #OO3O, '79) Gunter Hampel: "The 8th July 1969" (Birth #OO1, '69) " "Ballet-Symphony" (Birth #OO3, '7O) " "Spirits" (Birth #OO7, '71) " "Family" (Birth #OO8, '72) " "Waltz for 3 Universes in a Corridor" (Birth #O= 1O, '72) " "Out from Under" (Birth #O16, '74) " "Cosmic Dancer" (Birth #O3O, '79) " "Cavana" (Birth #O34, '81) " "Generator" (Birth #O35, '81) " "Companions" (Birth #O36, '82) " "Jubilation" (Birth #O38, '83) " "Fresh Heat ~ Live at Sweet Basil" (Birth #O39, '83) " "Celestial Harmony" (Birth #O4O, '91?) (Gunter Hampel will be playing at the Knitting Factory, NYC on Fri., 1O/2= 5.) Peter Kowald: "Duos America" (FMP #127O, '86~'9O) " "Duos: Europa America Japan" (FMP #CD21, '86~'= 9O) Jeanne Lee: "Conspiracy (Earthform Records #814, '74) " "Natural Affinities" ('92, not sure of label) Archie Shepp: "Blase" (Charly CD #77, '69) Archie Shepp & Jeanne Lee (West Wind #2O36, '84) Reggie Workman: "Images" (Music & Arts #634, '89). Besides these above~named musicians, the great Jeanne Lee has worked & recorded with a pantheon of our music, including, among others: Derek Bailey, Han Bennink, Lester Bowie, Peter Brotzmann, Dave Burrell, Don Byron, Daniel Carter, Chick Corea, Marilyn Crispell, Danny Davis, Malachi Favors, Charlie Haden, Julius Hemphill, Leroy Jenkins, Sheila Jordan, Jimmy Lyons, Benny Maupin, John McLaughlin, Lawrence "Butch" Morris, Sunny Murray, Evan Parker, Zeena Parkins, Dewey Redman, & Roswell Rudd. (5) I am in touch with Jeanne Lee's family & will keep my Web site up to date, so please check http://www.jazznewyork.org for latest news of the great Jeanne Lee. (6) Please send your prayers, love, good wishes & healing vibrations to Jeanne Lee as you know best how to do! In love, music, & haste (my usual states of being), Margaret Davis, Editor & Publisher, "Art Attack!," the newsletter for & about liberation musicians in NYC, on the Web at http://www.jazznewyork.org . P.S. I want to thank Ed Hazell & James Lindbloom for the initial notification about Jeanne Lee's condition, & Kali Fasteau for news of the benefit concert at the Knitting Factory. P.S. again: If you do not want to receive any further messages from me, please reply with "remove" in the subject heading. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:41:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Tom Benton Subject: Re: speed copied byron ? The Belgian spoke... > Did any of you notice the apparent similarity of "Graphic Ridiculous" by > Chris Speed on 'Iffy' and "Bernhard Goetz, James Ramseur And Me" by Don > Byron on 'Romance with the Unseen' ? Wow. These are indeed alarmingly similar. The thing is, I'd be willing to bet that Chris has been playing his tune longer than Byron has his; Chris had been gigging the Iffy trio for a while before taking them into the studio, whereas I'd guess most of the tunes on the Byron record were composed for that record (though I could be, of course, completely and totally wrong on this one). Plus Chris registered his with BMI a good bit earlier (via bmi.com). Though why Byron would potentially jack a tune from Speed is kind of uncertain (especially after talking a bunch of inadvertent trash about him in that old issue of JazzTimes...). - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:52:30 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Naked City / Masada Ari wrote: > Then I do it with the sextet, and > people say, "Yeah, it's a real loungey, easy-listening Les Baxter type of > thing." I agree with that statement entirely. It's why I prefer Bar Kokhba's first record to any live performance I've seen. > I mean, I could do it with a hardcore band." The earliest Masada I have (on private video tape - and no, I don't have any way to copy it) damn near IS a hardcore band, or at least extremely punky (from memory, Zorn, Ribot, Kato Hideki and Ben Perowsky). > In my opinion NC has become too wellknown, too popular for my liking. > It had become something dangerous: I felt the audience was sucking my > blood... They used to ask for their favourite piece. They just wanted the > same things, they weren't looking for something new. And I can't keep on > going in a situation like that even if it would seem to be very attractive > on the surface". This echoes exactly the reason Robert Fripp disbanded King Crimson in 1974 (citing "vampiric" audiences) and to this date refuses to play old material (although they've loosened up just a bit on their recent Japanese jaunt, adding "Red" to the setlist). Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Francisco Lopez, 'Untitled #74' (Table of the Elements) - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:15:36 EDT From: OnionPalac@aol.com Subject: Re: Zero Masada once more... In a message dated 10/19/2000 10:30:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Samerivertwice@aol.com writes: > By following that rationale to its most absurd conclusion all > notes are boring. All songs are boring. All symphonies are boring. > Improvisation is boring because it's been done countless times before. Invention and innovation is getting boring. Humanity has been fascinated with that stuff for way too long. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:35:29 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Zornlist archives? Can someone remind me where the Zornlist archives are located? I want to look up discourse on a subject I seem to remember having been discussed recently, without retreading on the list. Thanks, Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Polwechsel, "Ost," 'Polwechsel' (hat[now]ART) - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:45:57 +0100 From: "Alastair Wilson" Subject: Re: Zornlist archives? They're at ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/zorn-list/archive/ latest is vol3 no 125, I believe - ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Smith To: Zornlist Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 11:35 PM Subject: Zornlist archives? > Can someone remind me where the Zornlist archives are located? I want > to look up discourse on a subject I seem to remember having been > discussed recently, without retreading on the list. > > Thanks, > Steve Smith > ssmith36@sprynet.com > NP - Polwechsel, "Ost," 'Polwechsel' (hat[now]ART) > > > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:57:51 +0100 From: "Alastair Wilson" Subject: Sidsel Endreson (no Zorn content, but read it, it's interesting!) Last Friday I went to Ronnie Scotts for the first time ever, to see Sidsel Endreson, a breathtaking Norwegian singer. She has two albums on ECM (which I have), the last of which came out in 1994, featuring (amongst others) Django Bates and Nils Potter Molvaer. Her band comprised a bass flautist, a drummer and a guitarist. All three were playing with electronics/samplers. Sidsel herself sang a mixture of English and Norwegian/"scat" (and did a mean Joe Cocker gesture impression). It was a moving and fascinating experience. What I'm asking, of probably the only people I know who might be able to help me out, is does anyone have any further info on Sidsel, especially what on earth she's been doing these last six years? Whilst her vocal modus operandi hasn't changed, her band are producing wonderful sounds. I've done all sorts of searches on the internet but have come up with nothing. And if she's heading your way, check her out. You won't be disappointed. A - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:11:47 +0100 From: "Alastair Wilson" Subject: What was I thinking? (again no obvious Zorn content...but maybe) Excuse me for speaking for everyone, but I'd say we're all rather obsessed with music, and discovering stuff which is new to us. So I found myself buying a 21CD Frank Sinatra box set (The Capitol Years) a couple of weeks ago. I have no other Frank Sinatra records. I was in the scrum when the doors opened at the HMV sale, trying to get my hands on a £50 complete Beatles box (let's not get into that argument again!) and picked up the other special offer (same price). I took a few minutes, thinking "this is his best stuff - all the concept albums", "you're a big boy now, maybe it's time to see whether Frank is for you", and "if it's shit you can sell it for more". So I went ahead, much to the amusement of my coworkers when I turned up with it. Well, I've been working my way through it and it's great. But that's not the point. A few hours after making the purchase I realised that my music obsession may be out of control. I mean, *21 Frank Sinatra CDs*, for heaven's sake! So, a question for you all - when did *you* realise that your music obsession was out of control? And did you care? (We could have a sweepstake on how many Merzbox mentions come up;-)) A - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:14:15 EDT From: BlackBook78@aol.com Subject: Re: What was I thinking? (again no obvious Zorn content...but maybe) In a message dated 10/19/2000 5:12:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, wilsonah@hotmail.com writes: << So, a question for you all - when did *you* realise that your music obsession was out of control? And did you care? >> I think mine hit is peak when I recently, over the course of two weeks, spent quite a few dollars on 10 Jandek LP's.... - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:33:01 EDT From: SOUPBEARD@aol.com Subject: Re: What was I thinking? (again no obvious Zorn content...but maybe) In a message dated 10/19/00 8:12:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wilsonah@hotmail.com writes: > obsession was > well, i have always been a bit crazy with my cd collection, but i would have to say when i discovered Frank Zappa. oh boy....i would pick up at least one a week (which is NOTHING compared to my cd habit today) and at the bottom of the checks (the "memo" line) i would write "ZAPPA." thats right folks, i was justifying my cd habit by the fact that frank zappa is so f'n awesome. i got a bit more neurotic as time went on....and i found ZORN......that being said, i'm beginning to feel that powerful urge again. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:51:43 -0400 From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: Erik M. At 06:50 PM 10/19/00 +0200, Tim Blechmann wrote: >Does anyone know a recording of Erik M.? He has solo recordings on Metamkine and Sonoris, plus collaborative efforts on For 4 Ears (Poire_Z) and Stupeur & Trompette (Sculpteurs de Vinyl). The Metamkine piece is a 3" electroacoustic piece composed of previous release in the Cinema pour l'oreille series and is pretty good. The Sonoris release covers a lot of ground but there's a long narrative loop in the middle that takes something away for me. Poire_Z also includes G=FCnter M=FCller and Voice Crack, and is excellent, and Sculpteurs de Vinyl is with Otomo and other turntablists and avant players. - -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. - -- Satchel Paige - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:53:47 -0400 From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: Crimson (was NC & Masada) At 04:52 PM 10/19/00 -0500, Steve Smith wrote: > >This echoes exactly the reason Robert Fripp disbanded King Crimson in 1974 >(citing "vampiric" audiences) and to this date refuses to play old material >(although they've loosened up just a bit on their recent Japanese jaunt, adding >"Red" to the setlist). One of the Projekt albums has a glimmer of 21st century schizoid man, or is the title a joke because the entire track is the audience hollering at some poor chump who took a flash picture, causing Fripp et al to leave the stage? - -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. - -- Satchel Paige - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #126 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. 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