From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #135 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Monday, October 23 2000 Volume 03 : Number 135 In this issue: - Re: Internet Radios RE: Riley/Guy/Oxley Odp: musicians on film Re: Rozie question Re: Internet Radios carlstone Re: glass "mishima" (was: favourite soundtracks) Re: favourite soundtracks Re: carlstone RE: Internet Radios Re: Internet Radios Re: favourite soundtracks miles soundtracks Re: favourite soundtracks Streamline records RE: favourite soundtracks Re: RE: Internet Radios Re: favourite soundtracks ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:05:08 -0400 From: Dan Hewins Subject: Re: Internet Radios Here are some: http://www.gogaga.com/ http://www.wfmu.org/ http://www.antennaradio.com/ this one lists a lot of internet streaming mp3 http://www.live365.com/ Dan Hewins >I finally have a fast enough internet connection to listen to radios on the >web, what are the best radios you've found? what are the best websites with >real audio music programs or stuff like that (like Herb Levy's mappings, for >example)? - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:42:38 -0500 From: "John Thomas" Subject: RE: Riley/Guy/Oxley This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C03D07.DF79F0F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Acousticlv@aol.com writes: << n.p.: Howard Riley/Oxley/Guy Trio on Emanem >> Jon Abbey: >how is this? how does it compare to Flight (FMR), same trio from a couple >years earlier? are Oxley's electronics prominent at all? Jason Bivins: >Speaking of Riley stuff, has anybody heard the Sony/Columbia reissues of >his? I believe they're from the late 60s/early 70s. I've got the new Riley/Oxley/Guy on Emanem as well as Sony reissues. They're all very good though the latest one on Emanem is the most interesting to me. On it, the liners indicate they are playing from graphic scores and traditional notated scores as well as using pure improvisation. There seems to be more space in the music on the Emanem disc, don't know if it's because of the approach mentioned above or not but it helps to bring some focus and distillation to Guy's playing which was a big plus for me. It is mentioned in the liners that pedal-controlled amplification is used by Guy & Oxley. Whatever the case, you can clearly hear their contributions on the Emanem record even during the quietest moments. Oxley's electronics do play an important role in the record though I don't think they are used throughout the whole disc. I will attempt some descriptions without understanding his setup too well...at several points he uses the electronics to sustain and distort what sounds like cymbal sounds and also he sets up some sustained tones that come off sort of drone like and have kinda a cheesy sci-fi electronics feel. I thought they added nicely to the record and can't think of any piano trio attempting music like this back then or even today, but then I haven't heard hyperpiano yet. :) Riley plays quite well on the Emanem disc. Though at times his approaches remind of Taylor or other "free jazz/improv" piano, that impression didn't last very long for me. He has his own voice and is a lyrical "free" player. Comparing it to _Flight_, the sound is much better on the Emanem, and I think the pieces are more adventurous as well. I think the Emanem was their last recording (?). John - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C03D07.DF79F0F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Riley/Guy/Oxley

Acousticlv@aol.com writes:
<< n.p.: Howard Riley/Oxley/Guy Trio on Emanem >>

Jon Abbey:
>how is this? how does it compare to Flight (FMR), same trio from a couple
>years earlier? are Oxley's electronics prominent at all?

Jason Bivins:
>Speaking of Riley stuff, has anybody heard the Sony/Columbia reissues of
>his? I believe they're from the late 60s/early 70s.

I've got the new Riley/Oxley/Guy on Emanem as well as Sony reissues.

They're all very good though the latest one on Emanem is the most interesting
to me. On it, the liners indicate they are playing from graphic scores
and traditional notated scores as well as using pure improvisation. There seems
to be more space in the music on the Emanem disc, don't know if it's because
of the approach mentioned above or not but it helps to bring some focus
and distillation to Guy's playing which was a big plus for me.

It is mentioned in the liners that pedal-controlled amplification is used by
Guy & Oxley. Whatever the case, you can clearly hear their contributions on
the Emanem record even during the quietest moments. Oxley's electronics do
play an important role in the record though I don't think they are used
throughout the whole disc. I will attempt some descriptions without understanding
his setup too well...at several points he uses the electronics to sustain and
distort what sounds like cymbal sounds and also he sets up some sustained tones
that come off sort of drone like and have kinda a cheesy sci-fi electronics feel.
I thought they added nicely to the record and can't think of any piano trio
attempting music like this back then or even today, but then I haven't heard
hyperpiano yet. :)

Riley plays quite well on the Emanem disc. Though at times his approaches remind
of Taylor or other "free jazz/improv" piano, that impression didn't last very long
for me. He has his own voice and is a lyrical "free" player.

Comparing it to _Flight_, the sound is much better on the Emanem, and I think the
pieces are more adventurous as well. I think the Emanem was their last recording (?).

John



- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C03D07.DF79F0F0-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:57:59 +0200 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: musicians on film Hm, maybe you have recorde it? If so we could arrange a trade... Marcin Gokieli marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor - ----- Original Message ----- From: Andreas Dietz To: Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 7:46 PM Subject: Re: musicians on film > Nobody mentioned the outstanding STEP ACROSS THE BORDER (1989) by Nicolas > Humbert featuring Fred Frith with contributions by Zorn, Cora, Lindsay, Iva > Bittova, Rene Lussier and many others. This weekend a small German TV > station was broadcasting this movie at 2 in the morning - the time > avantgarde fans are most active. > > Andreas > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > - > - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:02:13 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Rozie question Andreas Dietz wrote: > I don=B4t think Lee is on Decoding Society=B4s Mandance or Taboo but I = don=B4t > have the latter. He's on three tracks on 'Mandance' and one on 'Taboo,' most likely from a single recording session ('Taboo' is apparently a collection of out takes= , at least in part). Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Ruth Cameron, "My Old Flame," 'Roadhouse' (Verve) - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:10:37 EDT From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Internet Radios It's also worth perusing the lists at live365 << http://www.live365.com >> . Thousands of stations there- many genre-specific as well as loads of freeform programs. You'll be sure to find something there you like. - -- np: Six Finger Satellite- Law of Ruins =dg= - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:45:28 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: carlstone brian o said: I found myself regretting one aspect of Powerbook composers: they rarely get physically tired enough to take a break. funny. i was there and i was thinking the exact same thing. i gave stone credit for putting me in a really foul mood, though. not exactly like i left bored... kg np: taj mahal - the real blues (by the way, i think a while back somebody asked about recordings of the 1960s taj/ry cooder band 'rising sons.' something came out about 2yrs ago, i think the first time anything's been released. kinda uninspired. sounds to me like the same sorta sixties pound-the-fuckin-riff blooz that goes nowhere much. save your dollars.) - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:10:04 -0500 From: "Don Gunning" Subject: Re: glass "mishima" (was: favourite soundtracks) From: patRice >what i wonder though about "mishima": does it have anything to do with the >japanese write yukio mishima? That's exactly the subject, his life and suicide. Pretty intense film. dg - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:15:09 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: favourite soundtracks Twin Peaks (Angelo Badalamenti) Wild at Heart (Angelo Badalamenti) Trespass (Ry Cooder) The Garden (Simon Fisher-Turner) Koyaanisqatsi (Philip Glass) Mishima (Philip Glass) Planet of the Apes (Jerry Goldsmith) North by Northwest (Bernard Herrmann) Conan the Barbarian (Basil Pouledoris) Spellbound (Miklos Rozsa) The Incredible Shrinking Man (Hans Salter) Naked Lunch (Howard Shore, Ornette Coleman) The X-Files (Mark Snow) One from the Heart (Tom Waits) Night on Earth (Tom Waits) Star Wars Trilogy (John Williams) Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Ruth Cameron, "Again," 'Roadhouse' (Verve) - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:32:25 +0100 From: "Alastair Wilson" Subject: Re: carlstone Kurt G said: > (by the way, i think a while back somebody asked about recordings of the 1960s > taj/ry cooder band 'rising sons.' something came out about 2yrs ago, i think the > first time anything's been released. kinda uninspired. sounds to me like the > same sorta sixties pound-the-fuckin-riff blooz that goes nowhere much. save your > dollars.) If only you'd said this two months ago...anyone else fancy a trade? ;-) - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:37:14 +0200 From: "Diego Gruber" Subject: RE: Internet Radios Thanks for all the replies. The WFMU archives look pretty impressive, any hint to what the best programs are? D - -----Mensaje original----- De: Dan Hewins [mailto:dan@synsolutions.com] Enviado el: Montag, 23. Oktober 2000 18:05 Para: Diego Gruber; Zorn list Asunto: Re: Internet Radios Here are some: http://www.gogaga.com/ http://www.wfmu.org/ http://www.antennaradio.com/ this one lists a lot of internet streaming mp3 http://www.live365.com/ Dan Hewins >I finally have a fast enough internet connection to listen to radios on the >web, what are the best radios you've found? what are the best websites with >real audio music programs or stuff like that (like Herb Levy's mappings, for >example)? - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:46:34 +0100 From: "Alastair Wilson" Subject: Re: Internet Radios > >I finally have a fast enough internet connection to listen to radios on the > >web, what are the best radios you've found? what are the best websites with > >real audio music programs or stuff like that (like Herb Levy's mappings, for > >example)? http://bryce.iinet.net.au/difflist/ is an Australian public radio show called "Difficult Music", sunday evenings 9-11pm Western Australian time (which works out at sunday lunchtime for Euro listeners, which is nice - sunday morning for US?). As well as good music from 'round the globe there's an emphasis on local artistes that you may not here elsewhere... - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:04:03 -0400 From: Eric Ong Subject: Re: favourite soundtracks >> Since we now are on the subject of soundtracks, I thought it'd be a good >> idea to share our favourite soundtrack albums. I've always thought the soundtracks to Hal Hartley's "Flirt" and "Henry Fool" are pretty good. Perhaps not my favorites, but I must say they're very addictive. Recommended if you like simple catchy tunes that you'll be humming to yourself for weeks on end. I think most of the tracks are composed/performed by Hartley himself. - -eric. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 11:17:37 -0700 From: "Martin Wisckol" Subject: miles soundtracks "siesta" would be my third favorite miles soundtrack if you count "jack johnson" which, of course, was never used for a movie. then there's the delicious one from the '50s with the french title. for a godard? - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:23:09 +0200 (DST) From: Emmanouil Papagiannakis Subject: Re: favourite soundtracks THE DEAD MAN NAKED LUNCH NATURAL BORN KILLERS (the scene with jane's addiction...) UNDERGROUND ...and FILMWORKS I -VII manolis ps: bad luck zorn didn't make it to Hague due to problems with his back... But in Reiziger in Muziek (dutch TV programm) which was going to feature him live, he was discussed by Gert-Jan (i forget his family name...) who I think is the producer of some of the recent stuff, incl. CARTOON S/M. Apparently new versions of Cat o' nine tails, Carny, Music for children will be featured on this new release. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:41:59 -0400 From: David Keffer Subject: Streamline records >On Mon, 23 Oct 2000 JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: >> Poster Inside, but all 11 [original streamline releases] >>are really good to great, except maybe the Haino.) > >From: SUGAR in their vitamins? >yeah, the haino isn't quite what it could have been. >but the rest have been quite good. >i'm also glad to see there's been some vinyl >coming out as well. the mirror, mimir and >andrew chalk have all be stellar. A different opinion on the Streamline releases. I think that the Mimir release borders on terrible. Around about 1986, when Edward Ka-Spel was in "The Tear Garden" with Cevin Key of Skinny Puppy, I picked up the Tear Garden eponymous ep and the first full length album. Then 12 years later I heard Ka-Spel's Mimir lp, "Mimyriad" and I said to myself, "This is the same thing, only now it's 1998 and, although I thought it was pretty cool in 1986, it sounds embarrassingly dated now." With regard to Keiji Haino's "Beginning and End, Interwoven" on Streamline, I was impressed with this cd when it came out in 1994 and I remain impressed with it. This disc features Haino's first recorded foray into traditional song structures. Instead of 15 or 20 minute instrumental suites, we get a taste of sweet four-minute songs with verses and a refrain done Haino style. I think some of the songs-vocals and guitar playing-on that cd are just brilliant. David K. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:36:03 -0400 From: pequet@altern.org (Benjamin Pequet) Subject: RE: favourite soundtracks At 01:04 PM 10/23/00 -0400, Eric Ong wrote: >I've always thought the soundtracks to Hal Hartley's "Flirt" and "Henry >Fool" are pretty good. Perhaps not my favorites, but I must say they're very >humming to yourself for weeks on end. I think most of the tracks are >composed/performed by Hartley himself. True for Henry Fool. Interesting because the soundtrack of Amateur, the film that Hartley released before Flirt, featured tracks by My Bloody Valentine, P.J. Harvey, Red House Painters, Yo La Tengo, Bettie Serveert, Liz Phair, The Jesus Lizard, Pavement... Hartley almost consistently used tracks from either Yo la tengo and Sonic youth in his previous films (and multiplied references to these bands in his films, in small details like stickers in the phone booths where the hero places a phone call, etc). Still in The book of life (P.J. Harvey as first actress), Yo la tengo appears disguised as the Army salvation band, for a few seconds. Not that any of this is directly relevant to the list or particularly illuminating. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:44:02 -0400 From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: RE: Internet Radios > Thanks for all the replies. The WFMU archives look pretty >impressive, any hint to what the best programs are? There's a lot to explore, but check out the playlists to get an idea of what the show is like. Most of the DJs are most inventive/interesting than the usual play-and-say ones. (By the way, it's best to save the show to your hard drive so you can listen later while browsing and without interruptions.) However, Irwin Chusid doesn't do playlists for his show but it's a constant surprise so don't pass it up. My other personal favorites are: Rhubarb Cake (surprising stuff that I haven't often heard of) Ken Friedman (stuff I've heard of but haven't often heard) Brian Turner (stuff I've heard and haven't heard but like to hear anyway) Incorrect Music (outsider, golden throats, etc) Unpopular Music (Kenny G, no not THAT one but a wonderful writer/host of experimental, avant, etc) Irene Trudel (yeah it might appear a bit wimpy from the playlists but this is just wonderful) Secret Museum of the Air (old "ethnic" records) The Audio Kitchen (found recordings & real-life audio snapshots) & the little that I've heard of Give the Drummer Some, Inflatable Squirrel Carcass and Hova are pretty nice. LT - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:50:07 -0400 From: David Keffer Subject: Re: favourite soundtracks >From: "Patrice L. Roussel" >THE DRAUGHTSMAN CONTRACT: Michael Nyman I never was too taken with THE DRAUGHTSMAN CONTRACT, but along the same lines (soundtracks by Nyman for Peter Greenaway films) I have repeatedly enjoyed "Prospero's Books" and "Drowning by Numbers" over the years. "Shanghai Triad" - This movie is the last collaboration between Director Zhang Yimou and actress, Gong Li. The soundtrack has three songs with Gong Li on vocals, two of which are out of sight. David K. - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #135 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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