From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #138 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Tuesday, October 24 2000 Volume 03 : Number 138 In this issue: - Re: favourite soundtracks Re: Favourite Soundtracks Re: Streamline records Re: review request and the "whole sound" genre Re: Favourite Soundtracks re: favourite soundtracks re: favourite soundtracks Re: favourite soundtracks KILL ME (now) Re: Odp: musicians on film more soundtracks Re: completism Twin Peaks/Badalamenti soundtracks Ultima Vez / Marc Ribot Re: Internet Radio Noise digital safecrackers Re: Re: Internet Radio completism/musicians on film/jarmusch/ruiz Re: completism/musicians on film/jarmusch/ruiz Odp: favourite soundtracks ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:45:23 +1000 From: "Julian" Subject: Re: favourite soundtracks > 1. Who plays the sax stuff for Bill Pullman in "Lost Highway"? Bob Sheppard (don't know who this is, just taking it right out of the cd booklet). - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:00:28 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Nick=20Goryl?= Subject: Re: Favourite Soundtracks "Passion" by Peter Gabriel (sountrack for The Last Temptation of Christ). Not only is it my favourite soundtrack, it is my all-time favourite album. It's 65 minutes of some of the most moving music I've ever heard. A true 'album', not merely a collection of songs. ~Nick. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:45:55 -0700 (PDT) From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: Re: Streamline records On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, David Keffer wrote: > A different opinion on the Streamline releases. I think that the Mimir > release borders on terrible. Around about 1986, when Edward Ka-Spel was in > "The Tear Garden" with Cevin Key of Skinny Puppy, I picked up the Tear > Garden eponymous ep and the first full length album. Then 12 years later I > heard Ka-Spel's Mimir lp, "Mimyriad" and I said to myself, "This is the > same thing, only now it's 1998 and, although I thought it was pretty cool > in 1986, it sounds embarrassingly dated now." it really all depends on which mimir album you are referring to. their very first outing (on flabbergast) wasn't anything much to write home about, but i did enjoy it. however, mimiriyad is absolutely astounding with a stellar lineup including jim o'rourke. if i'm not mistaken, mimir is actually christoph heemann's gig. then again, i also enjoy all the tear garden releases, so your mileage may vary... ;) hasta. Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:58:34 -0400 From: "Jesse Kudler" Subject: Re: review request and the "whole sound" genre I'll second that review request; the concept sounds very intriguing. I saw Hrvatski's Forced Exposure review, too. Pretty typical for him in its semi-clever, semi-useless obscurantism. I think what he meant with the "whole sound" reference was music apart from an instrumentalist or composer paradigm and more into the realm of the texture/feel of actual sound. I.E. not a guy playing guitar but the actual physical sensation of such. He seemed to be implying (to me anyway), in practical terms, that the feedback would be thick and heavy Did that make sense? I'm really tired right now. - -Jesse - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Keffer" To: Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:01 AM Subject: review request and the "whole sound" genre > > Hello, > > When somebody on the list hears the new Derek Bailey record, "String > Theory" on Paratactile, can you post a review? Thanks. There is an arty > blurb about it posted on the Forced Exposure site that I does not give me a > clear picture of what is going on. > > In fact this blurb refers to something called the "whole sound", as if it > were a sub-genre of experimental music. Anybody hip to the definition of > "whole sound" music? > > David "gotta keep up with the kids' lingo" K. > > > > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:58:21 EDT From: Jeffcalt@aol.com Subject: Re: Favourite Soundtracks ngoryl@yahoo.com writes: > "Passion" by Peter Gabriel (sountrack for The Last > Temptation of Christ). Not only is it my favourite > soundtrack, it is my all-time favourite album. It's 65 > minutes of some of the most moving music I've ever > heard. A true 'album', not merely a collection of > songs. One of my favorites as well. "With This Love" is one of the most moving pieces I've ever heard--the oboe is chilling. I wish Gabriel would revisited this type of composition. jeff - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 00:59:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Whit Schonbein Subject: re: favourite soundtracks - - beverly hills cop (just kidding) - - pee-wee's big adventure (i can't tell if i'm kidding) - - the soundtrack to hitchcock's 'the saboteur', particularly the scene on the statue of liberty ;) - - stop making sense (no kidding around here; but it might not count). - - 70's porn (the music is the best part) - - the george martin portion of 'yellow submarine' (not kidding) - - scene transition music from sitcoms and other u.s. tv shows from the 1980's (magnum p.i., a-team, riptide, the fall guy, etc.). half in jest, whit - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:00:45 -0500 From: Craig Rath Subject: re: favourite soundtracks At 12:59 AM 10/24/00 -0500, you wrote: > >- scene transition music from sitcoms and other u.s. tv shows from the > 1980's (magnum p.i., a-team, riptide, the fall guy, etc.). Speaking of which, am I the only one who wishes they would put out a compilation of the best incidental music from CHiPs? From the early seasons, anyway - really great cheesy funk/disco stuff. Craig M. Rath H: fripp@mn.mediaone.net W: rathc@questarweb.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:15:32 -0500 From: Craig Rath Subject: Re: favourite soundtracks At 11:00 PM 10/23/00 -0500, you wrote: >> > Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me (Angelo Badalamenti) > >Hated the 'Twin Peaks' movie itself, though, and this as a seriously sick >fan of the TV series, with seriously worn VHS tapes, books, trading cards >and coffee mug to show for it. The first time I saw the movie I disliked it as well, but after having read the original unedited script and seeing it a couple more times, it makes a lot more sense and at times is one of the best things Lynch has ever done. I think the problem with it is that for about 95% of the time, it lacks the humor that the series had to cut the tension. Without that, it's just really, really dark. I think a lot of that humor was dropped when the decision to shorten the movie was made, thus eliminating about half the cast or more. Now I just have to wait for them to finally put it and the series out on DVD. I have the VHS versions of both, but am hoping for some serious extras on the DVD versions (such as the Log-Lady intros which accompanied the series during its Bravo runs, and hopefully some of the deleted footage from the movie - there are rumors of up to another 1.5 hours which was cut out). - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:57:32 CEST From: "Marius Ergo" Subject: KILL ME (now) I just found out that I have a study trip with my school to Praque which misses the masada gig by a couple of days. I really do want to die.... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:09:40 CEST From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: Odp: musicians on film >From: "Marcin Gokieli" > >Hm, maybe you have recorde it? If so we could arrange a trade... > > > Nobody mentioned the outstanding STEP ACROSS THE BORDER (1989) by >Nicolas > > Humbert featuring Fred Frith with contributions by Zorn, Cora, Lindsay, >Iva > > Bittova, Rene Lussier and many others. This weekend a small German TV > > station was broadcasting this movie at 2 in the morning - the time > > avantgarde fans are most active. > > I have no opportunity to copy videos - but itīs still in print and can be purchased (donīt ask where)... Andreas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:26:36 -0400 From: "Bob Kowalski" Subject: more soundtracks Errol Morris's: Fast Cheap & Outta Control (Caleb Sampson) Nenette & Bonnie (Tindersticks) Six Days & Six Nights (Michael Nyman) City of Lost Children (Angelo Badalamenti w/ Marriane Faithful) Bob - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:30:02 CEST From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: completism >From: Steve Smith > >But here are the artists from whom I've bought virtually every record >(as >leader, at least) and/or would buy them all if money were no >object: > >Art Ensemble of Chicago >Anthony Braxton >Ornette Coleman >Dave Douglas >Marty Ehrlich >Cecil Taylor >John Zorn obviously we have similar tastes. Some additions of mine where I would have all if possible: Charles Mingus Henry Threadgill Julius Hemphill Marc Ribot John Coltrane Bill Dixon Fred Frith Ken Vandermark Albert Ayler Marion Brown Don Cherry Tom Cora Arto Lindsay Butch Morris Myra Melford Sun Ra David Shea Yosuke Yamashita Andreas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:25:46 -0400 From: "Neil H. Enet" Subject: Twin Peaks/Badalamenti soundtracks TWIN PEAKS is definitely one of my favourite soundtracks, but I prefer the movie one (FIRE WAlK WITH ME), the Julee Cruise and Jimmy Scott tracks are so haunting and beautiful. Being a fan of Badalamenti, I also have to add WILD AT HERT to the list, especially for those Rubber City (David Slusser) tracks. The BLUE VELVET soundtrack is great, but I think it goes better with the movie, and doesn't work so much for me without it. The LOST HIGHWAY one is also good, but it has too much MARILYN MANSON/RAMMSTEIN stuff, I would have liked more Badalamenti. The sax parts are (as someone noted) by BOB SHEPPARD, and I also don't know who he is, but I checked out the AMG and he has one album (i think). If someone has any information on his work, please let me know. And I have to admit: that track on the LOST HIGHWAY soundtrack was what lead me to JOHN ZORN(!). I started looking for violent sax playing and guess who I ran into? :-) Neil H. Enet - ------------ NP. XU FENG - John Zorn (It's the first time I listen to any of Zorn's game pieces ... and I like it!!!!!!!) Gotta listen to Cobra now!!! :-) - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:32:47 CEST From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Ultima Vez / Marc Ribot Iīve heard of this dance theater directed by Wim Vandekeybus with music by Marc Ribot. There is a web site www.ultimavez.com. Has anyone seen this and can give some details? Are any recordings available? Andreas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:09:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Ethan Subject: Re: Internet Radio WXYC in Chapel Hill: http://wxyc.org we programmed a lot of tzadik & other fun stuff in the general rotation when I was a DJ there. there should be a recent brian eno phone interview being posted to the web site sometime soon.. plus we were the first radio station in the world to broadcast live on the internet. of particular interest to this list would be broken music on sundays from 3-4pm eastern time. ethan - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:20:43 EDT From: SOUPBEARD@aol.com Subject: Noise Hello All, I was wondering which CD(s) would be best to start off on when trying out some of the noise artists. i was assuming Merzbow because I already own Maldaror (w/patton) and i enjoy that quite a bit. However there is quite a Merzbow discography and I don't really know where to start. Also, if you would recommend a different artist as a starting point, please let me know. I'm looking for a CD that is more than just pretty cool....something that makes me want more, i guess. Thanks for your help.... also....the pronunciation of Merzbow, is it BOW as in "bow wow" or as in "bow tie?" - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:30:44 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: digital safecrackers in light of the talk around here... write if you want the rest. kg Researchers say they defeated schemes to protect digital music Eds: SUBS 1st, 3rd grafs to fix style on 'copyright' By GARY GENTILE AP Business Writer LOS ANGELES (AP) - A group of researchers claims to have defeated four different technologies being developed to prevent computer users from listening to copyright music for free. Researchers at Princeton University, Xerox PARC and Rice University said they were able to remove invisible security measures placed on four music files by the Secure Digital Media Initiative - a group of 200 music, telecommunications and consumer electronic companies. Any reasonably sophisticated computer pirate intent on illegally distributing copyright music files could do the same, the researchers said. The claim, if true, strikes at the heart of efforts to protect copyrights and prevent people from listening to music for free using technology such as Napster. - --- On the Net: http://www.cs.princeton.edu/sip/sdmi/announcement http://www.hacksdmi.org - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:01:41 -0400 From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Re: Internet Radio >plus we were the first radio station in the world to broadcast live >on the internet. Or at least tied WREK who started Internet streaming the same day (Nov 7, 1994). - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:13:39 -0400 (EDT) From: josephneff@webtv.net (Joseph Neff) Subject: completism/musicians on film/jarmusch/ruiz Hello, ...Rick Lopez asked about the availability of the "Mouthful of Sweat" vid comp. featuring W. Parker, M. Graves, and P. Brotzmann. Checked Atavistic's site and it's not listed. No surprise there. Also looked in the catalogs of a few on-line sources, but nothing there either. I wouldn't say that this vid is so obscure that a fairly diligent search wouldn't turn up a copy or two. Particularly if you have numerous friends in a variety of large cities that could check the stock in indie shops. And I bet somebody would part with their copy. However, I would not. Last note: the quality of this vid is the lowest of any Atavistic title I've viewed, and I've seen a few. Much footage is of live indie rock bands captured on cam-corder. Yr mileage will vary from track to track, natch. ...on the slowly fading subject of musicians on film, i can't believe I almost forgot to mention "Mingus" (1968), directed by Thomas Reichman. It's an hour long b/w cinema varite study that intercuts great live footage of a small band that features Dannie Richmond, Walter Bishop, John Gilmore, and Charles McPherson. I really need to pull my copy out of storage. It's an amazing film that deals with Mingus being evicted from his loft space home by the city of New York. I've never been able to watch this film a lot due to the emotional content (or to elaborate, I've never wanted to get so familiar with this film that I could "just watch" Mingus being raked over emotional coals without being impacted by the experience). Some of the music is stunning, the opening bass solo in particular. Also, where he sings and plays piano is just grand. To me, this film is equally as important a document in dealing with Mingus as the "Beneath the Underdog" book, maybe even more so. ....on the film s/t thread, I'll agree that Jarmusch uses good, often great music. In "Ghost Dog", along with the RZA stuff, he has a bit of Andrew Cyrille and Jimmy Lyons (unless I misread the credits as they moved by). ...last, Evan at ObviousEye@aol.com asked about Raul Ruiz. The guy has been directing since the mid '60's. I've only watched one of his films "On Top of the Whale", a very good poetic slice of comic-surreal cinema that deals in part with the divides between sophisticated and primitive cultures, specifically in regard to language. It's definitely a film that needs multiple viewing to fully "get". His new work "Time Regained", based on the work of Proust, is making the rounds. "Film Comment" magazine thought highly of it. And we can connect "Film Comment" to the list talk about Paul Schrader, because in the latest issue Schrader writes about the rediscovered Budd Boetticher western "Seven Men From Now". ...would love to see Ruiz's "The Golden Boat" with s/t by Zorn. np: Blind Willie Johnson- "The Complete..." disc one nr: selections from Bantam Books "Modern European Poetry" I remain.... Joseph "There's no boundary line to art" Charlie Parker - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:37:47 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: completism/musicians on film/jarmusch/ruiz In a message dated 10/24/00 1:15:34 PM, josephneff@webtv.net writes: << In "Ghost Dog", along with the RZA stuff, he has a bit of Andrew Cyrille and Jimmy Lyons (unless I misread the credits as they moved by). >> nope, that's correct. it's a piece from Something In Return (Soul Note), don't recall which one. all movie long, the lead character pops CDs into his car's CD player. they're almost exclusively Wu-Tang/RZA hip-hop, but near the end, he pops this disc in to drive around to, which I thought was very cool. very good movie, also. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:43:15 +0200 From: "Jerzy Matysiakiewicz" Subject: Odp: favourite soundtracks | - 70's porn (the music is the best part) Yes. I want strongly recommend soundtrack to "Deep Throat" available in ForcedExposure. Real masterpiece And of course music to Russ Meyers moviec Jerzy - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #138 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com