From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #151 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Thursday, November 2 2000 Volume 03 : Number 151 In this issue: - Tre Nel 3000 in RealAudio Re: Bowie goes ... Xu Feng sample terminology: acousmatic Re: gunter hampel & jeanne The Arkestra NOW Re: The Arkestra NOW Re: terminology: acousmatic Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #148 Re: Zorn life Re:Bowie goes ... Re: : Re: : Zorn life =?ISO-8859-1?Q?NYC=20show:=20L=EA=20Quan=20Ninh/nmperign=20at=20?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Tonic,=2011/13?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_NYC_show:_L=EA_Quan_Ninh/nmperign_at_Tonic=2C_11/13?= Re: last night's Stilluppsteypa/TV Pow show ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 08:27:28 -0600 From: Herb Levy Subject: Tre Nel 3000 in RealAudio Just a quick note to let you know that this week's Mappings includes Zorn's Tre Nel 3000, as well as music by Pamela Z, Frank Zappa, Walter Zimmermann, Carlos Zingaro, Joseph Zitt, and Peter Zummo. I'm also in the process of expanding the archive of past play lists, so if you want to which composers whose names begin with other letters I've played on the show, now you can. Now, back to going through the last couple of weeks of accumulated Zorn list digests. Bests, Herb - -- Herb Levy P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147 817 377-2983 herb@eskimo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:28:33 -0600 (CST) From: Paul Audino Subject: Re: Bowie goes ... On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Rob, the Belgian guy wrote: Actually, Baron played on Bowie's _Outside_ a few years back and Cuong Vu plays trumpet on a few tracks of his upcoming album. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:22:04 -0400 From: "Neil H. Enet" Subject: Xu Feng sample Hello list, anybody knows where the XU FENG samples are from? You know, the "Don't you F* wiht me, man", "How Rude", etc. The first time I heard the first one, I thought it was Woody Harrelson!!!!! maybe from NATURAL BORN KILLERS, I don't know, to me it sounds like him. Neil H. Enet - ------------ NP. MEDESKI MARTIN WOOD - best of - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:38:08 EST From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: terminology: acousmatic even though i listen to and love all this electronic/tape/cut-up/weird stuff, i'm still lost about some terminology: does 'acousmatic' specify a particular genre of electro-acoustic music? probably jason and jon can straighten me out on this word, which for some reason always gave me the creeps. steve koenig n.p.: stilluppsteypa: ep (soleilmoon); bohuslav martinu, works for duo piano (elan) - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:56:28 EST From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: Re: gunter hampel & jeanne << Makes me wonder if Gunter Hampel is still alive.... The album with Blake sounds great. >> dear matt, gunter is still quite alive and kicking, at 63yo, releasing lots of fine discs on his still-continuing Birth records, probably the longest-lived artist-owned label starting around 1965. he peformed at the knit last week, tho i wasnt able to catch him. i recently did an extended interview with him that im still looking to place, as it is long and rich with history and opinion. the first rca blake/lee disc ive only heard on the bluebird reissue, so muffled with sonic solution that it is unlistenable; i become physically ill. there's another disc on owl (france)with that duo from more recent years. if i might transmit info on jeanne from an excerpt of gunter's longer letter: I am sorry to report that the great JEANNE LEE has died Oct.24-2000 in Tijuana, Mexico. On behalf of the Hampel-Lee-Family, with our daughter Cavana Lee-Hampel, son Ruomi Lee Hampel, grandson Beleil and Jeanne's daughter Naima Lee-Hazelton we are at a great loss, my personal and musical unity journey with Jeanne from 1967-2000 created not only Jazzhistory-making personal triumph and masterpieces including worldwide performances....great LPs and CDs but also the creation of Theater-pieces, Dance-pieces, Poetry and music, workshops with and for children, grownups, musicians, dancers. Our Duo concerts let Dizzy Gillespie remark: "You continue our great music there, where our horizon had ended, you are the continuum, the new." .. ..Jeanne is one of a kind, as a person and as an artist, her contribution to mankind is manifestated, noticed and celebrated... influencing generations to come. I have tried to document as much as possible ...on LPs,CDs,Books,Videos (BIRTH RECORDS; www.gunterhampelmu sic.de,GuntHampel@aol.com) on my and our beloved Jeanne, I had the favor to share love, feelings, understanding, care, spiritual awareness, creative work and cultural responsibilities, and an incredible sense for all the injustice ruling our blue planet. 33 years of sharing life together like this, becoming each other in the proceeding, she is the most highly respected and beloved human, soul and spirit I have met on my 63 year long pilgrimmage. To relate in words her greatness will be impossible for me, but listening to the depth of her most human voice, her incredible timing, I think she and Louis Armstrong have the best timing in Jazz, her poetry and her music is the right thing to do to understand her and her contributions, she made for all of us. sincerely, Gunter Hampel, Oct.27,2000 (Anyone, who wants to help, financially or with working on helping to continue publishing documentations on Jeanne, or never before released products.please contact me.) Gunter Hampel 211 E 11 St#2 New York City 10003 T. 212 - 477 1695 GuntHampel@aol.com www.gunterhampelmusic.de BIRTH RECORDS p.rEIS sTR.10 37O75 Goettingen o551-3 18 71 Fx o551 - 3 17 42 - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 16:12:03 CST From: "samuel yrui" Subject: The Arkestra NOW hey, what does the Sun Ra Arkestra sound like now? (I mean, what directions has it gone in since the great Ra's death?) thanks, and recommended recordings and where to get them perhaps? -samuel _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 16:19:30 -0600 From: Moudry Subject: Re: The Arkestra NOW At 16:12 01-11-00 -0600, you wrote: >hey, > what does the Sun Ra Arkestra sound like now? (I mean, what directions > has it gone in since the great Ra's death?) > > thanks, > and recommended recordings and where to get them perhaps? > Samuel, This URL will get you to an excellent review of the Arkestra's latest CD, which contains all the information on ordering it. Good disc, but not totally representative of what they're about. The Arkestra, under the excellent direciton of Marshall Allen, is currently on a tour of Europe (details may be found on my Saturn Web in the Concerts Area). Hope this helps. Saturnally, Joe Moudry Office of Academic Computing & Technology School of Education, The University of Alabama @ Birmingham Master of Saturn Web (Sun Ra, the Arkestra, & Free Jazz): Producer/Host of Classic Jazz & Creativ Improv on Alabama Public Radio: WUAL 91.5FM Tuscaloosa/Birmingham WQPR 88.7FM Muscle Shoals/NW Alabama WAPR 88.3FM Selma/Montgomery/Southern Alabama - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 18:05:08 -0500 From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: terminology: acousmatic At 04:38 PM 11/1/00 EST, Acousticlv@aol.com wrote: >even though i listen to and love all this electronic/tape/cut-up/weird stuff,=20 >i'm still lost about some terminology: > >does 'acousmatic' specify a particular genre of electro-acoustic music? The term seems to have been created, or at least popularized, by Michel Chion. Here's a definition I found by searching google for the term: Acousmatic music is music that is recorded and then diffused without combination with live electronics or live performers; it exists only on tape (whether analog or digital) or as a fixed set of instructions to a computer. The term acousmatic is preferred to concr=E8te as it emphasises th= e way in which the 'real' acoustic source is assumed to be hidden from the audience. Acousmatic music does not exclude the use of synthesis or sound processing; but these processes must be employed in the making of a fixed artefact that is then diffused, rather than employed during performance.=20 - -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. - -- Satchel Paige - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:55:14 EST From: ObviousEye@aol.com Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #148 - --part1_cc.c151070.27321572_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/31/00 8:11:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: > NR: Albert Camus L'Etranger > > Great book. one of my absolute favorites. ben - --part1_cc.c151070.27321572_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/31/00 8:11:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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Great book. one of my absolute favorites.

ben - --part1_cc.c151070.27321572_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:48:33 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: Zorn life - --- "Neil H. Enet" wrote: ...and now i have to know the same things > about John Zorn. So here it > goes: >Is he married? Is he straight/gay? Where does he > live?... DUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTH. And to a lesser degree... ARCHIVEARCHIVEARCHIVEARCHIVEARCHIVEARCHIVEARCHIVEARCHIV But, chopsbusting aside, please go look at the extensive interview with William Duckworth in his book TALKING MUSIC. See: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0306808935/qid=973129539/sr=1-4/103-8865598-1222264 And you might check out the New Yorker article from this/last year (time flies on the Zorn list). - ---s, lives in car, owns LOTS of recordings NP: Godspeed You Black Emperor, RAISE YOUR SKINNY FISTS... (Kranky) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:59:26 +1030 From: "sinkas" Subject: Re:Bowie goes ... Have people hear of his new album "toy" with Annette Peacock etal its a album of unsued ideas form the 60's of his etc, Case "Alma Matters" - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 01:14:26 -0500 From: Ian Farrell Subject: Re: : Re: : Zorn life > From: Scott Handley > Subject: Re: Zorn life > ARCHIVEARCHIVEARCHIVEARCHIVEARCHIVEARCHIVEARCHIVEARCHIV what? Archi Vearchi? Author? what is the name of his book? > William Duckworth TALKING MUSIC > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0306808935/ > qid=973129539/sr=1-4/103-886 5598-1222264 thanks for the URL! it is on order! > And you might check out the New Yorker article from > this/last year (time flies on the Zorn list). can you give a better date of this NYer article? THANKS! ian - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 01:33:01 EST From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?NYC=20show:=20L=EA=20Quan=20Ninh/nmperign=20at=20?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Tonic,=2011/13?= I'm very, very excited to announce the following show on November 13 at=20 Tonic. I hope to see some of you there. please tell anyone else you think ma= y=20 be interested, since this show was just scheduled. - ------------------------------------ L=EA Quan Ninh and nmperign at 8:00 PM, $10 double bill The NYC debut of French percussionist extraordinaire L=EA Quan Ninh, who has= =20 worked extensively in both the improv and the contemporary classical genres.= =20 He's a member of the Quatuor H=EAlios, and has recorded for FMP and For 4 Ea= rs.=20 Tonight marks the start of his month-long US tour to celebrate his=20 just-released duo CD with G=FCnter M=FCller, La Voyelle Liquide (Erstwhile).= =20 nmperign are a much-acclaimed duo from Boston, Greg Kelley on trumpet and=20 Bhob Rainey on soprano sax. As a duo, they've recorded for Twisted Village=20 and Intransitive, and have a CD due out soon on the prestigious Selektion=20 label. As solo artists, Kelley has just released a superb CD, Trumpet, on=20 Meniscus, while Rainey is about to release a highly anticipated split LP wit= h=20 Kevin Drumm (Fringes).=20 Ninh and nmperign will play separate sets tonight, then all three musicians=20 will play a third set, the first time they will have ever performed together= .=20 - ------------------------------------------------- Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 03:13:49 -0500 From: "Jesse Kudler" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_NYC_show:_L=EA_Quan_Ninh/nmperign_at_Tonic=2C_11/13?= Here's the rest of the dates, by the way. I was planning to go see him i= n Easthampton, but I just realized that I have a theme week radio show that night. We'll see. - -Jesse 13 nov : New York (Tonic) with Greg Kelley and Bhob Rainey 14 nov : Annandale NY (Bard College) - solo 15 nov : Easthampton MA (Flywheel) - solo 16 nov : Boston MA (Twisted Village) - solo 18 nov : Pittsburgh PA (Millvale Industrial Theater) - solo 21 nov : Detroit MI (Entropy Studios) with Mike Khoury and Ben Bracken 22 nov : Toronto (The NOW Lounge) with Maury Coles, Arnd Jurgensen and Tomasz Krakowiak 24 nov : Chicago IL (Lampo) with Guillermo Gregorio 25 nov : Madison WI (Wendy Cooper Gallery) with Scott Fields 26 nov : Minneapolis MN (Gus Lucky's) - solo 29 nov : Denver CO (Museum of Contemporary Art) - with Jack Wright 30 nov/1 dec : Colorado Springs CO (Colorado College) - solo 2 dec : Albuquerque NM (The Outpost) - solo and with J.A. Deane 9 dec : San Diego CA (Spruce Street Forum) - solo - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 1:33 AM Subject: NYC show: L=EA Quan Ninh/nmperign at Tonic, 11/13 > I'm very, very excited to announce the following show on November 13 at > Tonic. I hope to see some of you there. please tell anyone else you thi= nk may > be interested, since this show was just scheduled. > > ------------------------------------ > L=EA Quan Ninh and nmperign at 8:00 PM, $10 double bill > > The NYC debut of French percussionist extraordinaire L=EA Quan Ninh, wh= o has > worked extensively in both the improv and the contemporary classical genres. > He's a member of the Quatuor H=EAlios, and has recorded for FMP and For= 4 Ears. > Tonight marks the start of his month-long US tour to celebrate his > just-released duo CD with G=FCnter M=FCller, La Voyelle Liquide (Erstwh= ile). > > nmperign are a much-acclaimed duo from Boston, Greg Kelley on trumpet a= nd > Bhob Rainey on soprano sax. As a duo, they've recorded for Twisted Vill= age > and Intransitive, and have a CD due out soon on the prestigious Selekti= on > label. As solo artists, Kelley has just released a superb CD, Trumpet, = on > Meniscus, while Rainey is about to release a highly anticipated split L= P with > Kevin Drumm (Fringes). > > Ninh and nmperign will play separate sets tonight, then all three musicians > will play a third set, the first time they will have ever performed together. > > ------------------------------------------------- > > Jon > www.erstwhilerecords.com > > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 03:09:18 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: last night's Stilluppsteypa/TV Pow show I had the pleasure of attending this concert as well, and although I still consider myself rather uninformed about the current overall electro-improv genre (thus at least partially explaining my tardy response), I'm doing my best to educate myself in a hurry, and just bought 5 discs from Jon today in order to move the process along. So here are my observations, with everything in quotes being from Jon Abbey's original message... > the sets were quite interesting in juxtaposition, at least for me. TV Pow > played first, and they come from an improv background, so their set was > fairly linear. what I mean is that while they covered quite a bit of range, > there was always some degree of continuity throughout the set. Agreed. I liked the way the set progressed in a more-or-less developmental fashion, as opposed to startling and inexplicable jump cuts. Such jump cuts in Zorn's music make sense to me because they're largely referential to an underlying narrative ('Spillane,' 'Godard') or comprised of elements from music that I do know ('Xu Feng,' Naked City). But in a field of music like this, where I don't know the direct antecedents (I'm still painfully unaware of things like Panasonic, Oval, ISO and the Mille Plateaux/Ritornell scene), it really helped me that I could follow the way TV Pow moved from idea to idea in an incremental way. Did that make any sense whatsoever? I would like to have heard more from TV Pow - I clocked their set at around 20 minutes. They were pretty remarkable. > Stilluppsteypa focused more on connecting different segments > and stretches, with more of a jump cut approach. some of the stretches and > sounds they produced were superb. Agreed here as well. Again, I perhaps don't have the language to clearly describe this as yet, but I found myself a bit adrift at times during the Stilluppsteypa set (which I clocked at about 40 minutes). Sometimes my attention would wander away from the music, and then suddenly everything would change and I found my attention really glued to what was happening. If that's indicative of the "jump cuts" that Jon refers to, then perhaps I'm on the verge of understanding what's going on... and honestly, my mind wanders during acoustic improv music as well, sometimes, which leads me to believe that somehow it's all the same basic impulse... > the combined set brought together the > strengths of both groups, despite only lasting 10 or 15 minutes. the linear > flow of TV Pow combined with the superb soundmaking ability of Stilluppsteypa > to produce some very impressive music. Agreed once again, but here I wasn't completely certain what was going on until it was explained to me later (via Jon's post and a conversation we had after the show)... and for what it's worth, I clocked this at about 15 minutes as well. First, as Jon mentioned, it was quite uncluttered and didn't always sound like there were six different people making sounds. So I wasn't always entirely certain how much actual interaction was taking place. But on reflection, given that the collaborative set didn't sound exactly like either of the sets that preceded it, I suppose THAT should have been the biggest clue that there was in fact a fair amount of listening and interaction going on. For instance, if there had been six acoustic instrumentalists onstage and two or four of them weren't playing at a given time, I'd have been able to discern that immediately. With laptop computers it's a bit different - the six musicians LOOKED pretty much the same most of the time, whether they were making sounds at the time or not. And second, after a while, one of the members of Stilluppsteypa left the stage while the music was still going on, followed shortly by another. The music ended with one member of Stilluppsteypa onstage and the three members of TV Pow smiling a bit sheepishly. So I'm sitting there wondering: What just happened? Did TV Pow play something that pissed off Stilluppsteypa? It wasn't until this afternoon ,when Jon explained to me that one of the members of Stilluppsteypa was *literally* ill and couldn't play any longer, that I fully understood what I'd seen and could relate it to what I'd heard. And to some degree, that actually helped to humanize the entire evening to me. In fact, let me venture one further observation. I attended this evening of music as much to learn as to enjoy, but at the same time I found myself a bit wary, given my lack of familiarity with the electro-improv scene and its key players, wondering how much I "wouldn't get." And while I derived a great deal of pleasure from the music that was played, I still found myself a bit at odds because I guess I still don't understand the basics of HOW these musicians are making the music they make on their laptops. Don't get me wrong - I'm not into the notion that it's a drag because all they're doing is typing and pointing and clicking, and I'm certainly not advocating a return to the Roxy Music-era Brian Eno approach of wearing glittery costumes and enormous feather boas so that the smallest physical move is visually amplified, nor am I rebuking Anthony Braxton's stance regarding the "myth of the sweating brow." Instead, let me put it this way: I *understand* how sound is produced by a guitar, both in traditional and untraditional ways. Same goes for a saxophone, a trumpet, a drum, a piano, and so on. And I'm not out of touch with the notion of making sounds with analog synthesizers (thanks to college classes in electronic music) or turntables (thanks to college listening to Christian Marclay). So is it perhaps, then, that my lack of understanding of the mechanics of music production using laptop computers has made me feel so out of touch? And if so, is there a simple primer that might help me (as a layman) understand what all these people with blue and green screens reflected on their faces throughout their gigs are actually *doing* with their computers to make those sounds I'm hearing? Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Burkhard Stangl/Christof Kurzmann, "in einem jahr mit 13 monden," 'Schnee' (Erstwhile) - absolutely exquisite listening, regardless of context... - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #151 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". 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