From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #206 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Monday, December 18 2000 Volume 03 : Number 206 In this issue: - Blood Ulmer CD? Re: keith rowe question Re: Frank Zappa RE: 100 anos de swing? / zappa postscript RE: Page Hamilton Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! Re: Zappa listening Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! zappa cycles Re: keith rowe question Re: Blood Ulmer CD? Re: Zappa listening habits/Critics/Glenn Gould Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! Fwd: Re: 100 anos de swing?: Hemphill? Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! Re: tim berne, bobby previte ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 00:22:41 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Blood Ulmer CD? Peripherally related... Does anyone know if James Blood Ulmer's "America Do You Remember The Love" is available on CD? I've been hankering to hear it again (especially after hearing a cover of one of the tracks on the radio by an amazing Canadian band, the Excalceolaters), and my vinyl of it is long gone. I'd love to get ahold of a copy, in whatever medium. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 01:26:20 -0500 From: "Jesse Kudler" Subject: Re: keith rowe question Hi Martin, Yeah, Rowe is British. He's best known for being a member of AMM, which he's be doing since day one, about 35 years ago. You can find a bio and more AMM info at www.matchlessrecordings.com, the site for their record label. They'll also maybe have more info on the "Supersession" CD, the only other Rowe/Parker pairing that comes to mind, where they're also joined by Barry Guy and Eddie Prevost. - -Jesse - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Wisckol" To: Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 12:12 AM Subject: keith rowe question > cool to see keith rowe pop up on this list just as i was listening to his > duet "dark rags" with evan parker and wondering who the heck he (rowe) is. > is there a website with a bio? can somebody at least tell me what his > nationality is? english? has he worked with e.p. much? > > thanks. > > martin > > np. andrew cyrille -- my friend louis > nr. the book of embraces -- eduardo galeano > > > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:29:54 +1100 From: "Adam Rock" Subject: Re: Frank Zappa This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C06920.847C9140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks to everyone who responded to my request for information = pertaining to Frank Zappa! Armed with the symbolic map knowledge derived = from your respective emails I shall set off on my voyage into Zappa's = surreal universe and upon reaching the omega point obtain mystical union = with Nanook the Eskimo. Thanks again, Adam - ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C06920.847C9140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks to everyone who responded to my request for information = pertaining=20 to Frank Zappa! Armed with the symbolic map knowledge derived from your=20 respective emails I shall set off on my voyage into Zappa's = surreal=20 universe and upon reaching the omega point obtain mystical union with = Nanook the=20 Eskimo.

Thanks again,

Adam

- ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C06920.847C9140-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 04:06:05 -0800 From: "Fag music" Subject: RE: 100 anos de swing? / zappa postscript This compilation was released some time ago, but here in Brazil,as far as I remember,they were all just tracks picked up randomly,just to sell it,along with it came a ''magazine'' (less than 10 pages,I guess)telling about the history of jazz from the start,who came up with what,this kinda stuff.I have only two of these,one with Wynton Marsalis and the other with Pat Metheney and other guys I can remember now.Anyway,if you want to know how one of these guys sound like,I wouldn't say this is a good place to start.Well,maybe if you're a die hard fan,I heard these compilations put out some hard to find stuff.At least,a friend of mine who's into Pat and Paco de Lucia said so. Lucias, The e minor murderer >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 22:51:05 -0600 (CST) >From: Whit Schonbein >To: zorn list >Subject: 100 anos de swing? / zappa postscript > > >hello everyone. i've been running across a number of low priced (US$9.99 >at a local store) cds released under the charming title "100 anos de >swing". i think they also say "folio jazz masters" on them. anyway, the >two that i have seen so far consist of a julius hemphill disc (julius >apparently conducts, w/ tim berne, fred ho, and two others doing sax >duty), and a roscoe mitchell (w/ sound and whatever ensemble, with vincent >davis on drums, william parker, and other notables whose names i forget) >disc. so, my question is, does anyone have any more info on these discs >(or the series in general?). i can't seem to find out much info via a web >search. they look quite 'bootleggy', and do not give any information (on >the outside of the package, at least) on recording date, etc. > >thanks, >whit >np - coltrane, the avant garde > >p.s. i'm not going to directly address the interesting ongoing zappa >thread. but, to cast my 'votes', my favorite zappas have been, in no >particular order, apostrophe/overnight sensation, 'grand wazoo', 'hot >rats', 'waka/jawaka', 'one size fits all', the live at the roxy disc, you >can't do that on stage anymore vols. 1 & 2. i probably forgot some. > >http://artsci.wustl.edu/~wwschonb/ >whit@twinearth.wustl.edu >------------------------------------------ > > >- - ------------------------------------------------------------ http://e2893.37.com/Free-E-Card/ <--- You Have A Greeting :) - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 04:08:47 -0800 From: "Fag music" Subject: RE: Page Hamilton Sounds cool, but I didn't find any info on this...but I'll try tracking this guy down from now on.Thanks dude. Ironheads, Sam Hell >From: "Aaron Meyers" >To: "Fag music" >Cc: >Subject: Page Hamilton >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 23:59:45 -0500 > >Alright... don't ask me how I came across this, but check it out: >http://www.aiwa.com/ben_neill.html > >I guess that's supposed to be some collaboration between those two, but I don't hear any evidence of Page. Interesting nonetheless. > >-Aaron > ><< msg2.html >> - ------------------------------------------------------------ http://e2893.37.com/Free-E-Card/ <--- You Have A Greeting :) - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:58:35 +0100 From: patRice Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! Marius Ergo wrote: > The CD tray is transparent, but there is an additional page with artwork > hidden underneath the sheet you see under the tray. but apart from the white on white printing on the booklet, and the girl that looks like she might be masturbating thre is no additional hidden artwork, is there? patRice np: wookie, wookie, soul2soul nr: yasunari kawabata, the master of go, vintage - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:02:22 +0100 From: patRice Subject: Re: Zappa listening Nudeants@aol.com wrote: > I've noticed with that my Zappa listening habits tend to go in large scale > cycles. That is, I go for long periods of time without listening to him, > then my taste for Zappa is insatiable for a long period of time. Is this > true for anyone else here? I've noticed its true for a few of my Zappa > listening friends. > > BTW, I've been listening to him for about 10 years. my zappa listening habits were about the same as yours for a few years. (i got into his stuff around 1988.) but over the past three, four years i've only ever listened to one or two albums every now and then; maybe twice a year. it honestly doesn't touch me the way anymore it used to. but still whenever i put on "sheik yerbouti" or "you are what you is", it puts a smile on my face. patRice - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 00:09:51 +1100 From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! > but apart from the white on white printing on the booklet, and the girl that > looks like she might be masturbating thre is no additional hidden artwork, is > there? what more do you want? - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:20:58 +0100 From: patRice Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! Julian wrote: > > but apart from the white on white printing on the booklet, and the girl > that > > looks like she might be masturbating thre is no additional hidden artwork, > is > > there? > > what more do you want? well, i do have some ideas... haha! ;-) no, seriously: i'm just trying to find out if there is something underneath the tray that carries the cd that i was too stupid to discover... patRice - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 00:26:12 +1100 From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! > no, seriously: i'm just trying to find out if there is something underneath the > tray that carries the cd that i was too stupid to discover... So, you haven't found the picture of the girl under the tray? I thought that is what you were referring to in your previous email. Well yeah, pop out the tray, and you'll get a bit of a surprise... (and don't worry people who have seen it, I don't mean surprise in a 'happy birthday' kind of way) - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:38:56 +0100 From: patRice Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! Julian wrote: > > no, seriously: i'm just trying to find out if there is something > underneath the > > tray that carries the cd that i was too stupid to discover... > > So, you haven't found the picture of the girl under the tray? I thought that > is what you were referring to in your previous email. Well yeah, pop out the > tray, and you'll get a bit of a surprise... (and don't worry people who have > seen it, I don't mean surprise in a 'happy birthday' kind of way) > > - oh no - i HAVE found the girl! i was simply wondering if there was anything more! finding the girl wasn't difficult, btw: the copy i have had a transparent cd carrier thing, and the picture of the girl was right there when i took the cd out. i did NOT have to actually take the carrier thing out! patRice - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 08:44:38 EST From: CuneiWay@aol.com Subject: zappa cycles My man Matt wrote: >That is, I go for long periods of time without listening to him, >then my taste for Zappa is insatiable for a long period of time. Is this >true for anyone else here? I've noticed its true for a few of my Zappa >listening friends. It's true for me, but then again, The Mothers Of Invention is the music of my youth - the first "progressive" or underground type of music that struck a (DEEP) chord with me. Before that, I was into the white-boy blues bands of Savoy Brown, Cream, etc. - also fun stuff. Steve F. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:44:46 EST From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: keith rowe question In a message dated 12/18/00 12:13:04 AM, Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com writes: << cool to see keith rowe pop up on this list just as i was listening to his duet "dark rags" with evan parker and wondering who the heck he (rowe) is. is there a website with a bio? can somebody at least tell me what his nationality is? english? has he worked with e.p. much? >> rowe hasn't done much recording outside of AMM, his primary project since the sixties, until quite recently. there's a nice full band history of AMM at: http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/mamm.html also, doing an artist search at Forced Exposure (www.fe.org) for Rowe will get you descriptions of much of his work outside AMM . Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:36:28 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Blood Ulmer CD? Joseph Zitt wrote: > Peripherally related... Does anyone know if James Blood Ulmer's > "America Do You Remember The Love" is available on CD? It was released on CD in 1987 (Blue Note CDP 7 46755 2) but is almost certainly out of print... Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Dvorak, Symphony No. 9 - IV. Allegro con fuoco - Czech Phil / Neumann (Supraphon) - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:27:51 EST From: Nudeants@aol.com Subject: Re: Zappa listening habits/Critics/Glenn Gould In a message dated 12/18/00 12:34:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, Velaires writes: << Matt -- mostly I find it is true, although the big exception for me is when the jokes are really only funny the first time you hear them, or the performances seem spotless though uninspired. Even there, tho, some of THEM OR US is really terrific, and that's an album I don't love. Prob my favorite of that later period is MEETS THE MOTHERS OF INVENTION. My own feeling about FZ is that he did his very best work when he felt strongly about something -- "Mom & Dad", "Village Of The Sun", and "Porn Wars" are all wonderful examples of this -- and there were strong feelings governing every peiod of his career. I think he got unispired when the musicians didn't deliver equal amounts of character and chops (which might explain why I think the ONE SIZE FITS ALL band is my idea of perfection, and why the JOE'S GARAGE era is my least favorite in most ways). - ---OSFA is utterly stupendous. I'm also getting off on the differing ratios between band input/band makeup/Zappa control and how this affected his writing/arranging/bandleading. There's just so much great stuff to discover, rediscover and hear in new ways, perhaps (even tho that late eighties kick drum sound was pretty harsh). - ---I guess what I don't understand is why the played-out nature of some of the jokes doesn't seem to affect me lately. Of course, a lot of them are not as funny as the first time. Mothers of Prevention is an album I'd probably like a lot more if it weren't for the that drum sound and mix. Same with Them or Us. -matt - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 08:37:19 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! On Sun, 17 Dec 2000 07:34:04 -0500 Mark Logan wrote: > > Received and interesting phone call from a rep this week. It appears > that a complaint has been lodged by the Quebec Provincial Police > about the artwork. Consequently, Koch (who distributes Tzadik in > Canada) has recalled all copies from stores and will be destroying them > and deleting > the title from their catalog. I guess they don't want to risk sending > "obscene" material across the border by returning them to Tzadik. > I don't imagine this will impact anywhere outside of Canada, though if > the action gets any press, I suppose it > could prompt complaints to be lodged elsewhere. Talking about TABOO S/M, isn't strange that the name of Bellmer is not even mentionned once? Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:40:37 EST From: Eriedell@aol.com Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! In a message dated 12/18/00 8:39:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, gda@datacomm.ch writes: << oh no - i HAVE found the girl! i was simply wondering if there was anything more! finding the girl wasn't difficult, btw: the copy i have had a transparent cd carrier thing, and the picture of the girl was right there when i took the cd out. i did NOT have to actually take the carrier thing out! >> Ok, that's a little different than the way mine came. Mine has a transparent CD holder thingy and under that is a pencil sketch of a vagina. If you take out the transparent thingy and lift up the pencil sketch of a vagina there is a a photo of a girl who may (or may not) be masterbaiting. ~Eriedell - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:46:05 -0600 From: Moudry Subject: Fwd: Re: 100 anos de swing?: Hemphill? >From: Joaqu=EDn Villaverde Mart=EDnez >To: "zorn list" >Subject: Re: 100 anos de swing? / zappa postscript >Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 08:16:45 +0100 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 >Sender: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > >Hello > >The records are from an spanish collection. They are Black Saint originals. >The first is "Fat Man and The Hard Blues" and the second "This dance is for >Steve McCall". > >Best wishes > >Joaqu=EDn Villaverde Mart=EDnez >jvm16@navegalia.com > Would "Fat Man and the hard blues" be the same as Hemphill's Five cord=20 stud, which has the same personnel? Or, is the an unknown Tim Berne that=20 I'll have to spend countless hours tracking to earth? Saturnally, Joe Moudry Office of Academic Computing & Technology School of Education, The University of Alabama @ Birmingham Master of Saturn Web (Sun Ra, the Arkestra, & Free Jazz): Producer/Host of Classic Jazz & Creativ Improv on Alabama Public Radio: WUAL 91.5FM Tuscaloosa/Birmingham WQPR 88.7FM Muscle Shoals/NW Alabama WAPR 88.3FM Selma/Montgomery/Southern Alabama - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 08:57:12 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 08:37:19 -0800 "Patrice L. Roussel" wrote: > > Talking about TABOO S/M, isn't strange that the name of Bellmer is not even > mentionned once? Oops! I of course meant CARTOON S/M. Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:05:06 +0100 From: Rob Allaert Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! Patrice, Using a chisel, you can carve one layer deeper into the plastic tray. You won't believe what pictures are hidden there !!! > oh no - i HAVE found the girl! i was simply wondering if there was anything > more! > > patRice - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:45:33 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: tim berne, bobby previte mwoodwor wrote: > Also, I know last time I talked to him (about a year ago) that Tim Berne had > indicated that he was going to concentrate more on his playing rather than on > putting out albums - But does anyone know when he will actually be releasing > something new - there's word of a double album from his time in Europe with a > larger group being released, but what ever happened to the follow up Big Satan > album???? No word on the Big Satan followup. Keep an eye on the Screwgun website for word on the big band project. Tim is also supposedly working on a project for Matt Shipp's "Blue Series" imprint of the Thirsty Ear label, with a band that has been known as Quicksand but will apparetnly be recording under the name Low Ball (saxophonist Tony Malaby, guitarist Marc Ducret, keyboardist Craig Taborn and drummer Tom Rainey). I wouldn't expect to see this before next summer at earliest, but I'd be glad to be mistaken. It's been too long! > Furthermore, does anyone have any idea when Bobby Previte is going > to release a new album under his own name??? No, but I know he's shopping some material to labels at present: two discs of incredible live Radio Bremen recordings by his Bump the Renaissance band (Ray Anderson, Marty Ehrlich, Steve Swallow and Wayne Horvitz), plus a gorgeous octet suite called 'Sunburst Wounds the Tardy Star - 23 Constellations of Miro' recorded last April after a premiere in Manchester, UK commissioned by Birmingham Jazz. Keep your eyes and ears peeled. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Cuong Vu, "child-like," 'Pure' (Knitting Factory) - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #206 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com