From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #209 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Wednesday, December 20 2000 Volume 03 : Number 209 In this issue: - Re: Black Saint Sale @ cybermusicsurplus Re: Black Saint Sale @ cybermusicsurplus repainpen Kyoto/Osaka music stores... best of 2000 black saint @ cyber sale denman maroney (was Re: Black Saint) BEST OF 2000 Re: BEST OF 2000 James Carter - Layin' in the cut... Re: Hemphill? BEST OF 2000 best of 2000 Re: BEST OF 2000 (questions) best of 2000 Re: best of 2000 Re: best of 2000 Re: best of 2000 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 16:21:19 -0600 (CST) From: Tom Benton Subject: Re: Black Saint Sale @ cybermusicsurplus Evan wrote... > Hi, I was wondering if anyone has any recommendations for essential > Black Saint recordings that are being offered through this sale. A lot > of them sound really appealing, but alas I can't quite afford to buy 'em > all. So any help would be appreciated. Thanks! Continuing with Steve Smith's assumption that Soul Note is fair game here, I'll mention an album that's always been very dear to me, 'Force Green' by Mark Dresser. I can only think of a small handful of albums that illicited a reaction from me of the intensity that this one did (and still does on occasion) in terms of being so perfectly assembled and executed. The band includes Phil Haynes (drums), Dave Douglas (trumpet), Denway Maroney (piano, frequently prepared), Theo Bleckmann (voice, no words), and of course Mark Dresser (bass). I suspect no one would disagree if I say all five of these gentleman are top notch players and improvisers, and I would argue that the latter three are among the most unique stylists on their respective instruments that we've got. Dresser's compositions are long and winding and quite catchy in their own special avant-way and allow everyone plenty of space to stretch out; this album was my first chance to hear both Maroney and Bleckmann, and I'm continually blown away by their abilities to dig into their respective bags of hyper-extended techniques without sacrificing the integrity of the group dynamic for one moment. And don't even get me started on the brontasauristic bass prowess of Mr. Dresser. Oh heavens, I'm getting all flustered just thinking about it... - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:28:02 EST From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Black Saint Sale @ cybermusicsurplus In a message dated 12/19/00 5:22:41 PM, rancor@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu writes: << Denway Maroney (piano, frequently prepared) >> one small correction to Tom's nicely written review: it's Denman Maroney, not Denway. the part about him being a top notch player, improviser and unique stylist is dead on, though. :) Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:37:21 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: repainpen WYork: I'd be curious about a bit more details. Do they play compositions or imrpovisations, for example? dollars to doughnuts in 100 percent improv. and nothing that strikes me as particularly oliverosy, either. i'm not way familiar with her stuff, but what i've heard seems of a different ilk, and not that compelling of one at that. i may give her another shot next month at tonic (with susie ibarra and rosie hertlein), but in the meantime, any oliveros defenders? not sure what other details you're interested in. highly recommended disk, more reflective of joe morris releases than any of the others', i think. kg np: clusone 3: rara avis - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 23:08:13 From: "Brad Elsie" Subject: Kyoto/Osaka music stores... Hi all, I'm going to be in Japan for a few weeks and wondered if anyone is familiar with Kyoto and Osaka and can recommend record shops that are worth checking out. Please reply privately. Thanks in advance. ...Brad _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 22:59:46 -0400 From: "Neil H. Enet" Subject: best of 2000 Hello list, I joined this list at the beginning of 2000 and I found that you discussed the best albums of the year, so I decided to write down a list of all the CDs that I bought this year. Here it goes: BEST ALBUMS RELEASED IN 2000 (in alphabetical order by artists) MORRISSEY: the cd singles '88-91' (Great BoxSet) PLACEBO: black market music RECOIL: liquid MARC RIBOT: muy divertido JAMIE SAFT: sovlanut (excellent album) JOHN ZORN: the big gundown (never listened to the first edition) Sadly I didn't buy more albums released during this year, and I have to admit I own MASADA LIVE IN SEVILLA, but I don't find it's that excellent album you always talk about ... sorry!!!! Now: BEST ALBUMS I DISCOVERED IN 2000, BUT RELEASED BEFORE: CINEMATIC ORCHESTRA : motion (1999) DJ LOGIC: project logic (1999) NICK DRAKE: five leaves left (1969) (can't believe I never heard of this before) GRANT GREEN: idle moments (1963) (same goes here: thanx to a recommendation from this list) ENNIO MORRICONE: a fistful of film music (1995) (again here) PAINKILLER: complete recordings (1997) JOHN ZORN: black box (1996) godard/spillane (1999) live in middelheim (1999) SOUNDTRACK: velvet goldmine (1998) Well, that's it ... hope my student money helps me buy more albums next year!!!! Thanks list, for a wonderful year ... lots of recommendations ... lots of discoveries Neil H. Enet - ------------ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:51:11 -0800 From: "Martin Wisckol" Subject: black saint @ cyber sale well, everything steve said -- i can't say which of those are on sale, since i already had just about all on his list. i just got my box from cyber in the mail today, so can only speak at this point to: the leaders - out here like this: average, not spectacular. chico freeman sounds like black arthur blythe on tenor.... enrico rava -- electric five: this ain't in the penguin guide, but i'm glad i took a chance. very, very good. a bit miles-ish, natch, but far from the imitations we've heard from everyone lately (including kaiser/smith's fine imitation). gianluigi trovesi's bass clarinet is great, dolphy-esque. plus two elec gtrs, bass & drums. recommended! ray lema/joachim kuhn -- just sampled the first cut. very promising, as one in love with lema's nagadeef but not that satisfied with the others of his i've heard thus far. amina myers -- circle of time: np. amina's own albums, the ones i have at least, are inconsistent. but through the first three cuts of this one, it may be the best of her i've yet heard. another dozen or so to go.... (note that if you click on the albums on cybers site, you can sample tracks.) less than $7 each, no tax or shipping if you order a few. affordable risk! martin - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 22:35:26 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Handley Subject: denman maroney (was Re: Black Saint) - --- Tom Benton wrote: > ....Denway Maroney (piano, frequently > prepared)...and of course Mark Dresser (bass). I > suspect no one would disagree if I say all five of these gentleman are top notch players and > improvisers, and I would argue that the latter three > are among the most > unique stylists on their respective instruments that > we've got...I'm continually blown away by their > abilities to dig into their respective bags of hyper-extended techniques without sacrificing the integrity of the group dynamic for one moment. > > And don't even get me started on the brontasauristic > bass prowess of Mr. > Dresser. Since we're on this, Tom's review perfectly summarizes my feelings about the not-often-mentioned group Tambastics, with Maroney, Dresser, percussionist Gerry Hemingway, and flautist Robert Dick. Hemingway and Dick have done remarkable work and both (especially Hemingway) share Maroney's and Dresser's abilties to hurtle through flaming hoops of extremely complex comprovised material with _often surprising_ results. I'm most impressed about how their employment of extended technique never seems to become the object of the moment----you never feel like you're hearing lines being recited, even "with feeling", which _is_ a feeling I get with, say, Ned Rothenberg, sometimes. Dresser is a monster with gorgeous tone. The self-titled recording by this group on Music and Arts is available pretty cheap and might be of great interest if you like FORCE GREEN (the same level of achievement, IMHO); it seems at its most interesting moments like something other than improvisation altogether. I don't know. It's beautiful. Has anyone heard the newest Maroney with Hans Tammen (on "endangered guitar")? Can't remember it being reviewed here. - -----s NP: Pierre Henry, INVESTIGATIONS (Philips France) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:19:57 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: BEST OF 2000 There goes my top-list for 2000: JOHN ZORN: "Xu-Feng" SUSIE IBARRA: "Flower After Flower" MEDESKI, MARTIN & WOOD: "The Dropper" SATOKO FUJII: "Towards to West" NED ROTHENBERG: "Ghost Stories" TIM SPARKS: "Tanz" JOHN ZORN: "The Big Gundown" (re-release) FRED FRITH: "Traffic Some CD's I purchased this year but were released before: TIM BERNE'S BLOODCOUNT: "Unwound" BIG SATAN (Winter& Winter relase- can't remember the title now) MICHAEL FORMANEK: "Nature of the Beast" MARC DUCRET: "L'ombra di Verdi" _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Consiga gratis su dirección @yahoo.es en http://correo.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 05:39:52 -0500 From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: BEST OF 2000 Mine (9): Mat Maneri BLUE DECCA William Parker PAINTER'S SPRING Eneidi/Parker/Robinson CHERRY BOX Ibarra/Chadbourne/Dresser/Morris PAIN PEN Ibarra's FLOWER AFTER FLOWER Anderson, Drake, "Kidd" Jordan, William Parker: 2 days in april Eneidi/Spearman/William Parker/Krall: Live at Radio Valencia Parker / Guy / Lytton and Marilyn Crispell: After Appleby Joelle Leandre Project r - ---------- Sessionographies: CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies: COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; WORKMAN. Also: - --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops - --LOVETORN--HARD BOIL-- ETC., all at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/LUCILLE.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 04:05:20 -0800 (PST) From: Theo Klaase Subject: James Carter - Layin' in the cut... At first listen, I thought this CD was fair, but I expected a little more... After a few more listens, I became aware of all these little nuances and James' and the band were playing... Now, I can't stop listening to the album and I think it's absolutely fantastic. I enjoyed it so much that I bought "chasin' the gypsy" which I'm still trying to get into. It doesn't seem to have quite the magic of "layin' in the cut." ===== - -That which is Theodorus "Good bye sober day, hello milky way..."www.freeyellow.com/members7/theodorus/index.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:34:44 +0100 From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: Hemphill? >From: Moudry > >Would "Fat Man and the hard blues" be the same as Hemphill's Five cord >stud, which has the same personnel? Or, is the an unknown Tim Berne that >I'll have to spend countless hours tracking to earth? Hemphill does not play on Five Chord Stud and instead Tim Berne is added. The rest of the lineup is the same. Andreas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:10:14 +0100 From: Tim Blechmann Subject: BEST OF 2000 This year recorded: Christian Marclay / Otomo Yoshihide - Moving Parts Elliott Sharp / Christian Marclay - High Noon Vert - The Köln Concert Arto Lindsay - The Prize Kim Gordon / DJ Olive / Ikue Mori - SYR 5 This year discovered: Golden Palominos - Dead Inside Material - Seven Souls DJ Krush / Toshinori Kondo - Ki-Oku Bill Laswell - APC Tracks 1/2 Akosh S. - Eletter Pharoah Sanders - Karma PEACE Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:09:51 -0500 From: Eric Ong Subject: best of 2000 Well, I thought I'd post my list before I go off on my drinking binge and can still type, so here goes: 1) Keith Rowe/Gunter Muller/Taku Sugimoto - The World Turned Upside Down CD (Erstwhile) 2) John Tilbury - Morton Feldman all piano 3CD (LondonHall) 3) Sachiko M - Debris 3"CD (F.M.N.) 4) Donna Regina - A Quiet Week in the House CD (Karaoke Kalk) 5) Thomas Lehn/Marcus Schmickler - Bart CD (Erstwhile) 6) Otomo Yoshihide - music for DanceArt Hong Kong's "Memory Disorder" CD (Sonic Factory) 7) Bill Dixon - Berlin Abbozzi CD (FMP) 8) JAZZACTUEL - a collection of avant garde/free jazz/psychedelia from the BYG/Actuel catalogue of 1969-1971 3CD (Charly) 9) e-rax - Live at the Bimhuis 1999 CD (X-OR) 10) Steve Beresford - The Bath of Surprise CD (Amoebic) blah - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 08:20:36 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: BEST OF 2000 (questions) - --- Tim Blechmann wrote: > Elliott Sharp / Christian Marclay - High Noon > Vert - The Köln Concert > Akosh S. - Eletter I haven't heard anything about these releases, and I don't know anything about Vert and Akosh S. Who are they? WHat is their music like? - ----s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:30:44 +0000 From: simon hopkins Subject: best of 2000 After last year's substantial crop of great album releases, this year has been disappointing. Lots of interesting releases, but little which has really shined. Of what I've heard, I'd pick out the following as essential: Radiohead - Kid A (album of the year, I reckon) Otomo Yoshihide - Cathode (which I think was actually a 1999 release, but I hadn't heard it when I did last year's list. Whatever. It's a work of genius.) D'Angelo - Voodoo Hoahio - OHAYO!HOAHIO! Lewis Taylor - Lewis II Cornelius Cardew - The Great Learning V/A - Jazzactuel box set Jean Luc Godard - Histoire(s) Du Cin=E9ma box set Sonic Youth - NYC Ghosts & Flowers Zorn - Taboo and Exile Zorn - Godard Spillane Mike Ladd - Welcome to the Afterfuture Like I say, not a huge list. On the flip side, for me this has been an extraordinary year for live shows. Off the top of my head, these stand out (all London, except where noted): Mr Bungle =46antomas The Necks Zorn/Lombardo/Laswell/Frith (Paris) Yamatsuka Eye DJ set (Osaka) Masada/Masada String Trio/Bar Kohkba Marc Ribot Magma Sonic Youth Yo La Tengo (Glastonbury) Tiny Bell Trio/Charms of the Night Sky Thanks to all you z-listers for the usual erudition which, this year, has been responsible for me finding out about, among many things, the Oulipo, the films of Raul Ruiz and Korean P'ansori music. whew! Cheers Simon np. Fridge - Happiness (pre-release CDR, I'm afraid!) - -- simon hopkins a state51 | 8-10 rhoda street | london e2 7ef e simon@state51.co.uk t 020 7729 8493 check out ---+motion http://motion.state51.co.uk - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:12:42 +0000 From: dan hill Subject: Re: best of 2000 >Mr Bungle >Marc Ribot >Sonic Youth >Tiny Bell Trio/Charms of the Night Sky following simon hopkins pick of the year, i was lucky enough to share the above with mr. hopkins here in london, and i'd also add the arto lindsay group at the jazz caf=E9 in london, derek bailey and suzie ibarra at abaixador deu in barcelona, zorn's de sade group at angel orensanz, and thurston moore/nels cline/zeena parkins at tonic ... there have been some great live shows indeed. particularly zorn, ribot and arto. but i can also say that i thought the following records were absolutely killer (again, i *think* most of them are this year). new releases _____________________ Otomo Yoshihide - Cathode (Tzadik) Yo La Tengo - And Then Nothing Turned Itself Inside-Out (Matador) Anti Pop Consortium - Tragic Epilogue (75Ark) Arto Lindsay - Prize (Ryko) Radian - TG 11 (Mego/Rhiz) Heiner Goebbels - Surrogate Cities (ECM New Series) Burnt Friedman - Con Ritmo (Nonplace) Him - Our Point Of Departure (Perishable) Koch-Sch=FCtz-Studer plus DJ M. Singe & DJ I-Sound - Roots and Wires (Intakt= ) Mike Ladd - Welcome to the Afterfuture (Ozone) Quasimoto - The Unseen (Stones Throw) Susumu Yokota - Sakura (Leaf) Sonic Youth - NYC Ghosts & Flowers (Geffen) Zammuto - Willscher (ApartmentB) John Zorn - String Quartets (Tzadik) John Zorn - Taboo and Exile (Tzadik) The Sea and Cake - Oui (Thrill Jockey) Uri Caine - Zohar:Keter (Knitting Factory) Various Artists: Ropeladder 12 (Mush) Walter Ruttman's Weekend Remixes (Intermedium) Radiohead - Kid A (EMI) Orso - Long Time By (Perishable) D'Angelo - Voodoo (EMI) reissues ____________________ Harry Smith's Anthology of American Folk Music Vol.4 (Revenant) John Cage - The City Wears A Slouch Hat (Organ Of Corti) The Who: BBC Sessions (Polydor) Kind Of Soul (Small/Sony France) New Orleans Funk (Soul Jazz) >Thanks to all you z-listers for the usual erudition which, likewise! all the best dan. - -- |||| dan hill [state51] |||| new reviews on motion [19.12.2000]: |||| mark springer | microstoria | jonathan coleclough | techno animal vs dalek | koch-sch=FCtz-studer plus dj m. singe & dj i-sound | fingathing | dan senn |||| http://motion.state51.co.uk/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:21:14 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: best of 2000 On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:12:42 +0000 dan hill wrote: > > Mike Ladd - Welcome to the Afterfuture (Ozone) Second time that this one is listed. What is it? Thanks, Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:28:42 EST From: Velaires@aol.com Subject: Re: best of 2000 stuff I enjoyed most in 2000: Dave Douglas: A Thousand Evenings Uri Caine: The Goldberg Variations Johnny "Guitar" Watson: Rhino Blues Masters NRBQ (s/t) Keith Jarrett: Whisper Not Richard Pryor: And It's DEEP, Too Joao Gilberto: violao & voz Jurrasic 5: Quality Control Little Willie G: Make Up For Lost Time stuff I only got onto this year that's been around: Tower Of Power: Live & In Color Charles Mingus: East Coasting David Greenberger/Terry Adams: Duplex Planet Hour my favorite live shows this year: Ellery eskelin (at Eagle Rock Community Center), Killer Joey at McCabe's, Uri Caine's Mahler Project (at the Skirball Center), Penn & Teller (at the MGM Grand), NRBQ (at the Roxy), Los Lobos (at the Greek Theater, with guest Willie G tearing it DOWN). still in heavy rotation like it just came out: Stevie Wonder: Songs In The Key of Life, Bill Frisell: This Land, and Carla Bley: Fleur Carnivore skip h NP: Los Tres Cabelleros, Oro - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #209 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. 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