From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #227 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Wednesday, January 3 2001 Volume 03 : Number 227 In this issue: - Keiji Haino box query apologies for weird link j a deane bbc bowie RE: conet project (was: Boyd Rice) Re: apologies for weird link RE: Keiji Haino box query naxos prices & policy Re: slowpoke Re: luigi Re: lutoslawski Re: FRITH/MORI/DRESSER schiaffini Re: Naxos (was Re: Lutoslawski and Bowie ) RE: conet project (was: Boyd Rice) petsoundscharlietouchandgo ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 18:10:14 EST From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: Keiji Haino box query << Keiji Haino >> speaking of whom, i had bought a shrink-wrapped used copy of the 4-disc long box at a very nice price. i found out later that there was originally a booklet inside. if anyone here owns it, might you be kind enough to write me privately to tell me if the book lists tracks, or has anything written in english? thanks steve koenig n.p.: cd-r of me, robert reigle, and bruce eisenbeil at downtown music gallery n.r.: zornlist - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:08:56 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Handley Subject: apologies for weird link Sorry everyone who visited the Naive site. I clearly was not far enough into the site to be linking folks. While I'm here grovelling, though, could anyone help me with some Nono recommendations? I'd be much obliged. - ----s, smacking self on head __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 18:15:31 EST From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: j a deane In a message dated 1/3/01 9:12:30 AM,: << does anybody know anything about this recording with Bill Frisell: ZERX 28 J.A.DEANE - These Times (rec. october 1988) >> hi andreas, dunno this one but definitely try the butch morris/deane/le quan ninh on fmp ...i'd met 'dino' at roulette a buncha buncha years ago and on the way had stopped in a video/cd store browsing.... and i never buy videos. nonetheless, in the horror section was a plastic vid box handwritten J A DEANE, so i wondered if he had made films too. couldn't open it it, said the mgr, but at 7 bucks i gambled, and inside were four cassettes and stuff. i showed it to him that night and he said holy shit where did ya find that, its been gone for years... so fellow obsessives... i may not but lottery tickets, but im a good gambler, and so the search goes on, even if yr not looking :) steve koenig n.p.: my neighbors voices - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 18:18:06 EST From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: bbc bowie In a message dated 1/3/01 9:12:30 AM, owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: << Now, has anyone heard the new BBC BOWIE compilation, it includes two discs of most of his BBC sessions and an extra limited edition third disc containing a 2000 concert. Looks nice, but I would like your opinion. Thanks Neil H. Enet >> hi neil bought it and i had it all on bootlegs already but this, natch, has great sound. the perfs are exciting too. to me, its a neccesary buy. havent yet played the third bonus disc. steve koenig - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:23:59 -0800 From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: conet project (was: Boyd Rice) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Maurice Rickard > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 1:51 PM > At 9:46 PM +0000 1/3/01, thomas chatterton wrote: > >>From: "Benito Vergara" > >>To: "Zorn List" > >>Subject: RE: Boyd Rice? > >>Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:31:09 -0800 > >> > >>np: "the conet project" > >> > >>Is this the 4 CD set of recordings made of shortwave "numbers" stations? > > > >How interesting is it? > > I've heard parts of this, and the distorted voices + the shortwave > interference are fascinating and beautiful. It is indeed the numbers stations 4 cd set. I haven't completely made up my mind about it -- before buying it I was worried that it would be one of those discs that I'd play once or twice and leave on the shelf to gather dust, secure in the knowledge that I owned it (kind of like my one Derek Bailey disc, actually =)) -- and as four cds, it represented a major investment/commitment on my part. Some of it is quite creepy -- music box melodies, robotic synthesized voices, etc. The tracks which are a mix of beeps and static and hiss could easily fit onto a Mille Plateaux comp cd. But for the most part the tracks really are just recordings of voices counting in German, or letters/phrases like "Yankee Hotel Foxtrot" repeated for almost five minutes -- spread over *four* cds. (It also comes with a 74-page booklet which tries to make sense of it all.) In short, the more unusual-sounding tracks probably could have been squeezed onto 1 or 2 discs, except that the cd set was intended to be comprehensive. Check out this link: http://www.lbmpcug.co.uk/~irdial/conet.htm Later, Ben np: "the conet project" http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara ICQ: 12832406 - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 15:22:17 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: apologies for weird link On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:08:56 -0800 (PST) Scott Handley wrote: > > Sorry everyone who visited the Naive site. I clearly > was not far enough into the site to be linking folks. > While I'm here grovelling, though, could anyone help > me with some Nono recommendations? I'd be much > obliged. I have been tempted by the following one: COL LEGNO COLLAGE 20505 - NONO: Orchestra & Chamber Works: Due Espressioni (1953); A Carlo Scarpa; Fragmente; An Diotima; Post Praeludium Donau; SWF Sym. Baden-Baden/Rosbaud/Gielen; Members of Chamber Orch., Collegium Musicum", Moscow; Giancarlo Schiaffini, tuba; Experimental Studio of H. Strobel Foundation, SWF Freiburg maybe because of the presence of Giancarlo Schiaffini. Any idea how it is? I also noticed a Sophia Gubaidulina and a Iannis Xenakis in the same collection that look yummy. The Boulez was definitely a nice addition since his early work is quite hard to find. Montaigne, Col Legno, and Naxos have been doing some fantastic job by making all these composers back in the record stores. Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:29:18 -0800 From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: Keiji Haino box query > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of > Acousticlv@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 3:10 PM > i had bought a shrink-wrapped used copy of the 4-disc long box > at a very nice price. i found out later that there was originally > a booklet inside. if anyone here owns it, might you be kind > enough to write me privately to tell me if the book lists tracks, > or has anything written in english? Check out the discography section at http://www.planetc.com/users/keffer/haino/ -- under Lost Aaraaff, Nijiumu, Fushitsusha and Keiji Haino. I have the box as well, but it didn't seem to come with a booklet, just the inserts that came with each disc. Later, Ben np: still "the conet project" http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara ICQ: 12832406 - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 18:31:36 EST From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: naxos prices & policy In a message dated 1/3/01 << Can anybody explain me how do they manage to keep their prices that low? Their cds cost about 22 PLN here in Poland (about 5 USD). >> hi marcin. they saw how the 'majors' were messing up the classical market and had a deliberate strategy that now earns them perhaps a third to half of the market for classical discs in europe, and is spreading worldwide. they planned it this way; five to six dollars worldwide and to start with all digital new releases and sell in mass because of the price, and also to fill in major repertory gaps. they also have other clever ways: in each country they record their own composers to get the public "in the door." they have just started a usa series with first recordings of symphonies of georges antheil and others like that. their full-price label Marco Polo carries some wonderful first recordings, per norgard, and even first VillaLobos pcs, and in the nations of those composers, the discs come out at budget price on the Naxos label instead. What's great for me, who has a love of spoken word discs (i love being read to) is their poetry series- truly exceptional readers and selections...and theyve started a historical classical and an ethnicmusic series as well.... all the same budget prices. no im not on their staff. steve koenig - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 18:32:34 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: slowpoke Fastian@aol.com wrote: > At the cybermusicsurplus site,on Intuition, they have a Michael Blake cd > "Kingdom Of Champa" which I would consider great. It breaks outside the > boundaries of fusion and has some beautiful tunes. Besides Tronzo, it has > Thomas Chapin, Billy Martin, Steven Bernstein, Marcus Rojas, Rufus > Cappadocia, Tony Scherr, Bryan Carrott, and Scott Neumann. It makes me want > to hear more Michael Blake. Very enthusiastically seconded. This is a great album that flew under the radar thanks to patchy distribution and poor marketing/promotion. The music reflects upon the time Blake spent living in Vietnam and is colorful, tuneful and provocative. Definitely flying at the fringes of mainstream jazz. And jeez, look at that band... you've got Lounge Lizards, you've got Sex Mobsters, you've got Spanish Fly, you've got Chapin. Steve Say Go! Similar if not as exotic and another real good place to hear Blake (aside from recent Lounge Lizards discs, of course) are the three excellent discs by bassist Ben Allison's group Medicine Wheel (Allison, Blake, saxophonist Ted Nash, trumpeter Ron Horton, pianist Frank Kimbrough, cellist Tomas Ulrich and very hot drummer Jeff Ballard). There are three releases on the Palmetto label, all recommended to those with a taste for quirky inside jazz with clever writing: 'Medicine Wheel,' 'Third Eye' and the new 'Riding the Nuclear Tiger.' 'Third Eye' is my favorite but 'Tiger' is coming on strong. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Jane Ira Bloom, "Bewitched," 'Sometimes the Magic' (CD-R, upcoming on Arabesque) - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 18:47:09 -0500 From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: luigi At 03:08 PM 1/3/01 -0800, Scott Handley wrote: >Could anyone help me with some Nono recommendations? I'd be much >obliged. I've listened to the new Mode release, Voices of Protest, a couple of times, and like it a lot. The centerpiece is A floresta =E9 jovem e cheja d= e vida (The Forest is young and full of life), which is excellent (although I remember being more moved by the old DGG release), but since this is an interactive score, the interpretation is pretty open. One of his best tape works is Contrappunto dialettica alla mente from the old DGG avant-garde release, if you can track it down (I don't think it's been released on cd yet), a scary agglomeration of voices and electronics. I also like como una ola de fuerza y luz (like a wave of fire and light) for voice, orchestra, piano and tape, as well as ...sofferte onde serene... for piano and tape. - -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. - -- Satchel Paige - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 18:54:37 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: lutoslawski Acousticlv@aol.com wrote: > dear steve smith you know it all, > and you do kniow it all damn it No, no, no. I don't know it all. I learn new stuff here every single day. That's why I come out to play here so much. You should see the damn shopping list I concocted from everybody's "Best of Y2K" lists. Just bought a couple of Jeroen de Boer's metal recommendations earlier today... I need a job to support my habits... > i just wrote scott a private note briefly saying same, > but line for line, you lutoslawski-lurkers out there, > smith hit it all on the nose Well, like I said, it's virtually impossible to go wrong with Lutoslawski. > onward to szymanowski...."mythen" perhaps. That's a nice series, too. And I adore much of the American Classics series (though I think the Carter Pann disc is utterly missable). But there are occasional dogs in the Naxos pile, too. Avoid the Uuno Klami disc - it does the composer no favors. I've enjoyed some of the jazz discs as well, and have received but not yet heard one of the world CDs, 'Garden of Ydin' by klezmer guy Yale Strom. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Jane Ira Bloom, "Truth in Timbre," 'Sometimes the Magic' (CD-R) (waiting patiently for the upcoming Naxos disc of Roy Harris symphonies, and wondering when they'll finally get around to releas the Persichetti recordings promised a few years ago... also curious about the new Leonard Balada disc - anyone heard it?) - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 17:58:11 -0600 (CST) From: Tom Benton Subject: Re: FRITH/MORI/DRESSER > > I'd be grateful if you could also let me know about > Jim Black's "Alasnoaxis". I'm not so confident about > the so-called Brooklyn scene. I found Chris Speed > Trio's "Iffy" and Jamie Saft's "Sovlanut" both quite > disappointing. What about this one? > Well, I enjoy both the Speed and Saft records that you mention above, but can say without much hesitation that "Alasnoaxis" blows them both to complete bits. As the excellent review posted earlier mentioned, it manages to touch on just about everything from jazz to metal to electronica to Frisell-ian Americana, often several in the space of one track, and is nothing but breathtaking in doing so. The playing is superb and it's gorgeously recorded. If it's on your radar to the degree that you're considering it, then go get it. And anyone who's reading this, you go get it too. Yeah, www.britneybootyspears.com will still be there when you get back. Go find this album. [Steve - I assume the Jazziz review is yours? Sepulchral rumble? I don't have the energy to lift the dictionary for that one, but if it has anything to do with Sepultura then rock the fuck on...] Funny that I don't think I've ever seen it called by name (other than "you know, Jim Black, all those guys"), but I think there's some really exciting stuff coming out of the "Brooklyn Scene". Admittedly, like any other "scene" it's rather difficult to pin down who's in and who's not, but the general trend seems to be a serious musical omnivorosity (take that, Mr. Big-Word-Steve) that I for one find very encouraging. I was recently digging one of Speed's solos on Dave Douglas' "Soul on Soul" and remembered his raving about My Bloody Valentine at the record release gig for "Deviantics" and suddenly his quartet made quite a bit of sense. (oh, at the time I was also eating olives, which I'm going to consider the 3rd party in the Yeah No trinity...Nat Hentoff ain't got shit on me!) - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 19:08:28 EST From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: schiaffini In a message dated 1/3/01 6:25:41 PM, proussel@ichips.intel.com writes: << maybe because of the presence of Giancarlo Schiaffini. >> anyone heard the new solo tuba (!) record by Schiaffini on Random Acoustics? I have one en route to me, just curious. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 19:29:55 -0500 From: Lang Thompson Subject: Re: Naxos (was Re: Lutoslawski and Bowie ) >mid-price (which still means about =A310.99 over here in the UK, or=20 >$16). i bought a christmas present (to myself from myself! it's safer Actually they're a bit less than that in the US. Forced Exposure sells them for $13 and Borders (a retail chain that usually charges close to list price) sells them at $13.50. Hope there are lots more to come. Lang - ------------------------------------------- Adventures In Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm Outsider Music Mailing List http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm Documentary Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures/documentary.htm Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 19:38:35 -0500 From: Lang Thompson Subject: RE: conet project (was: Boyd Rice) >I haven't completely made up my mind about it -- before buying it I was >worried that it would be one of those discs that I'd play once or twice and >leave on the shelf to gather dust, secure in the knowledge that I owned it That was my reaction when it first came out until I heard about 30 minutes from the set on the radio and realized what great "found" sound art it is. But then I'm a sucker for static and drifting voices; must have something to do with long car trips as a kid and those fading, crackling AM radio stations. Of course by then the set was out of print but Iridial finally responded with an email saying that it'd be repressed shortly (which turned out to be about a year). If you want even more there's a CD-ROM with ten (!) hours of material and background info available at http://www.blackcatsystems.com/numbers/cdrom.html. I don't know any other details about this. Lang - ------------------------------------------- Adventures In Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm Outsider Music Mailing List http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm Documentary Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures/documentary.htm Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 19:52:05 EST From: ObviousEye@aol.com Subject: petsoundscharlietouchandgo - --part1_21.5977b7f.27852335_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit << ok, this is a bit out of the realm of your favorites, but if you don't have >PET SOUNDS by the Beach Boys, that needs to be your next purchase. i would >type more about it, but i am currently typing this with a broken finger. >anyone agree? disagree? >> >it's weird that you would say that....ON THE DAY THAT I GOT IT! aaahhhhh!! >charlie >- - Ok, this is one of the best pop records EVER, definitely in the realm of most things the Beatles did. it is lush, beautiful, masterfully orchestrated... does anyone know if Brian Wilson had any formal learning of orchestration? the man is a genius... and hello charlie, i found a little brown envelope...i'll send your disc soon. on to another subject: does anyone else here really enjoy some of those wacky Touch&Go bands? early jesus lizard, big black, butthole surfers (hairway to steven is one of the most brilliant 80's records), rapeman.... steve albini is a pretty intense character. just stuff i've been listening to... ben o. NP- They Might Be Giants.....excellent!! - --part1_21.5977b7f.27852335_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit << ok, this is a bit out of the realm of your favorites, but if you don't have
>PET SOUNDS by the Beach Boys, that needs to be your next purchase.  i would
>type more about it, but i am currently typing this with a broken finger.
>anyone agree?   disagree? >>

>it's weird that you would say that....ON THE DAY THAT I GOT IT!  aaahhhhh!!

>charlie

>- -

Ok, this is one of the best pop records EVER, definitely in the realm of most
things the Beatles did. it is lush, beautiful, masterfully orchestrated...
does anyone know if Brian Wilson had any formal learning of orchestration?
the man is a genius...

and hello charlie, i found a little brown envelope...i'll send your disc soon.

on to another subject:
does anyone else here really enjoy some of those wacky Touch&Go bands? early
jesus lizard, big black, butthole surfers (hairway to steven is one of the
most brilliant 80's records), rapeman....
steve albini is a pretty intense character.

just stuff i've been listening to...

ben o.

NP-  They Might Be Giants.....excellent!! - --part1_21.5977b7f.27852335_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #227 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com