From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #263 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Monday, January 29 2001 Volume 03 : Number 263 In this issue: - zorn Re: cecil taylor recommendations? Re: cecil taylor recommendations? Re: You're No Good Re: You're No Good GREAT BARCELONA CONCERT ZORN INTERVIEW Odp: Circle in the Round and Some Zorn content Re: Avant-garde trombone? Re: What's he building in there ? Fwd: ZORN INTERVIEW Sydney (Australia) bassists/musicians/vague Zorn relation... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:52:38 EST From: ObviousEye@aol.com Subject: zorn - --part1_ae.10708764.27a64306_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit would someone please enlighten me as to the meaning of Zorn's essay in "Arcana: Musicians on Music"? thanks ben o. - --part1_ae.10708764.27a64306_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit would someone please enlighten me as to the meaning of Zorn's essay in
"Arcana: Musicians on Music"?

thanks

ben o. - --part1_ae.10708764.27a64306_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:26:14 -0500 From: Nils Subject: Re: cecil taylor recommendations? sergio luque wrote: > could you give me some recommendations? nefertiti, the beautiful one has come (revenant) - -his trio with jimmy lyons and sunny murray, 11/62 recording live in copenhagen. sound quality is +/- but the performance is brilliant. historic concerts (soul note) - -duo with max roach, 12/79 live at columbia u. very nice intro to cecil as it serves up both performers solo, then they go at it together. suprisingly high level of interaction. and of course cecil is still going at it, so there's a lot of material out there. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:06:47 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: cecil taylor recommendations? - --- sergio luque wrote: > since you are the people i trust, could you give me > some recommendations? I love: 1. WINGED SERPENTS (SLIDING QUADRANTS) by Cecil's "Orchestra of Two Continents," recorded in the earlier Eighties; a strange ride with undeniable Ellington Band parallel in the train-like chugging of one track (second?). Brilliant, essential taylor. 2. The Cecil Taylor Unit recordings on New World. CECIL TAYLOR UNIT and THREE PHASIS, I believe; maybe a third as well. Ronald Shannon Jackson drops the depth charge funk (if you will) all over Taylor's extended comps for a tremendous band; muscular, joyous, riotous stuff. 3. CONQUISTADOR and UNIT STRUCTURES (Blue Note). Mid-late Sixties Taylor; vintage work, excellent playing; the roots of the recordings on, say, New World. I personally prefer CONQUISTADOR. Maybe "more" essential, albeit less refined. 4. Any of the stuff on HatArt, which seems to be more and more rare. I wish they would reissue the two GARDEN solo discs before anything "terrible" happens. Oh well. ONE TOO MANY SALFTY SWIFT AND NOT GOODBYE might not be the place to start, but it's a doozy; two and a half hours of strong attack; I really like Ramsey Ameen's (?) violin playing on these live recordings, but I get the vibe that his contributions are generally dismissed as second-rate. Best, - ---s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:13:00 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: You're No Good - --- Brian Olewnick wrote: > It's a full price double disc, but well worth it, > imho. As is often the > case, thanks to Tom Pratt for forcing it into my > normally > Riley-resistant hands. I haven't heard enough Riley to know whether he's to my liking, but I'm not terribly fond of "Rainbow in Curved Air". The version of "Poppy Nogood" included with that album is pretty neat, I keep thinking of the beginning of Evan Parker's LIVE AT INSTANTS CHAVIRES, attentuated indefinitely. Does anyone care to recommend some Riley? BTW, hate to be terribly non-NYC-centrist-regional, but is anyone going to the series of Riley performances in Houston, TX, mid-Feb? If any listers care to get together for dinner/drinks somewhere in the Feb 14-16 time period, e.mail me privately. Best, - -----s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:13:11 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: You're No Good - --- Brian Olewnick wrote: > It's a full price double disc, but well worth it, > imho. As is often the > case, thanks to Tom Pratt for forcing it into my > normally > Riley-resistant hands. I haven't heard enough Riley to know whether he's to my liking, but I'm not terribly fond of "Rainbow in Curved Air". The version of "Poppy Nogood" included with that album is pretty neat, I keep thinking of the beginning of Evan Parker's LIVE AT INSTANTS CHAVIRES, attentuated indefinitely. Does anyone care to recommend some Riley? BTW, hate to be terribly non-NYC-centrist-regional, but is anyone going to the series of Riley performances in Houston, TX, mid-Feb? If any listers care to get together for dinner/drinks somewhere in the Feb 14-16 time period, e.mail me privately. Best, - -----s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 09:31:13 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: GREAT BARCELONA CONCERT Hi everyone! After a last moment venue change caused by trouble with the usual concert room, Ellery Eskelin, Andrea Parkins and Jim Black performed last Friday 26 an over 2-hour concert at the Teatre Maldá, in Barcelona's Barri Gòtic -Gothic Quarter-, an old Theatre from the XVIII century -approximately. The room was really tiny and quickly packed with approximately 40/50 people eager of good music in the city. The show was divided into two parts. The first one was devoted to presenting the new CD of the trio HatOlogy - -"The Secret Museum". They opened with "The Way to Get There" and continued with past pieces from "Jazz Trash" and "Five Other Pieces (+2)". They also covered an Eugene Chadbourne's tune from "Beauty and The Bloodsucker". They took 15 minutes off and we seized the opportunity to have a couple of cigarettes in a row -Eskelin expressly asked not to smoke in the room. The second part began, if my memory's not that bad, with their cover of Coltrane's "India". That's where everyone of us began to get astonished by Black's playing. Eskelin tried with 3 new yet untitled pieces. They were increasingly complicated and proved that we all must look forward to further works by this group. Another cover followed, this time Mahavishnu Orchestra's "The Dance of Maya", which was simply superb. As a conclusion in comparison to their former visit to Spain I would say that the trio was much more balanced. In their previous performance I had the impression that every movement was leaning on Black and partly on Eskelin. Last Friday I sensed Parkins much more integrated and fluid. There was less space for Black to impress but everyone played its role perfectly. Luckily tomorrow, Tuesday 30, we'll enjoy Ribot's solo. I don't know exactly what to expect and that's what I like the most. Greetings, Efrén del Valle _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:07:57 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: ZORN INTERVIEW Hi! I've been trying to send the interview for the whole weekend. Are you sure that attachments are fine? Have there been any problems with the general list address? Maybe it will be better if I send the interview as a text inside a message? Please let me know. If that is not fine, maybe I could send it from some friends' e-mail address so don't be surprised if suddenly my name doesn't appear in a message entitled "ZORN INTERVIEW TRANSLATION". Regards, Efrén del Valle _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:05:40 +0100 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: Circle in the Round and Some Zorn content - ----- Original Message ----- From: &c. > I saw mention to Circle in the round in context of Miles's Fusion days. I "circle' is a kind of compiltion of unreleased tunes. The disc (actually it's a double CD) itself was released in the late seventies (but i may be wrong here). It includes tunes for his first quintet, seciond quintet (an incredible piece called 'side car', full - about 30 mins - version of which was released on Quintet box set few years ago), and some 'in a silent way' - BB period stuff. The 'fusion' stuff, actually a bit more in the vein of 'silent way' is very interesting. But one could also wait for the relesae of the interim period (parts of 'filles the kilimanjaro', second side of 'water babies', 'in a silent way') Miles box (does anybody knows something about its relase date?). This is IMHO the most interesting moment in his playing. BTW i recently bought an excellent Miles bootleg (forgot th title, on Jazz Door) from 1969, with DeJohnette, Corea, Holland, and Shorter. Very interesting: the band plays the bb tunes already along with a Monk tune. Also got a 2CD boot called 'another bothes brew'. Those are 2 concerts from Belgrade.The first shortly after DeJohnette had left the band, but before Foster has replaced arrived - just before the 'live evil' live material. I forgot the name of the drummer (sorry, i do not have my cds at the place where i write emails), but if anyone's interested, i'll post the info. It features Mtume and Alias on percussion, Henderson om bass, Jarret, and Bartz on sax. Very good. The second one is of his 'guitar' band of Foster, Mtume, Lucas, Cosey, Henderson, and Liebman, and is as always excellent. > date makes little sense because Bitches Brew, the alledged first fusion > release, wasn't until '69. Is the information I'm getting wrong? Actually, the first band considered as fusion was Tony Williams Lifetime. Their first disc was released in '67 or '68, and the original lineuconsisted of TW, John McLaughlin, and Larry Young on drums. Marcin Gokieli marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 08:22:19 -0300 From: "J.A.Bueno" Subject: Re: Avant-garde trombone? - --------------070AD0DA6FF55C685984D981 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did anybody mention Peter Zummo or David Taylor ? J.A. Fastian@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/26/01 11:44:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, maurice@mac.com > writes: > >> I'm trying to think of a birthday present for a trombone-playing >> friend of mine, and I'm not coming up with any good ideas. Are there >> any trombonists out there doing stuff that, well, fits in with the >> kind of thing we discuss here? Y'know, improv, maybe live >> electronics, someone stretching the vocabulary or something. I'm >> probably overlooking the obvious, so any suggestions would be great. >> >> Thanks! >> -- >> Maurice Rickard >> http://mauricerickard.com/ >> > > > I think I've gone through all the suggestions and here are a few I think were > left out. Hans Anliker, Frank Lacy, Glenn Ferris,Steve Swell,Gunter > Christman. Does anyone know anything about trombonist Joey Sellers? I have > a cd he made with Tony Malaby, Formanek, and Billy Mintz on Nine Winds > ("Cosas"-Malaby/Sellars 4tet). That has some memorable tunes and thoughtful > playing. I assume he is from LA but haven't seen anything else with him on > it. Malaby also made an excellent cd with trumpeter Dave Scott on Nine > Winds, a band I remember putting on a great show at Beanbenders a few years > back. Cheers, > John Threadgould > np: Cosas-Malaby/Sellers 4tet - --------------070AD0DA6FF55C685984D981 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did  anybody mention Peter Zummo or  David Taylor ?

J.A.

Fastian@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 1/26/01 11:44:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, maurice@mac.com
writes:
I'm trying to think of a birthday present for a trombone-playing
friend of mine, and I'm not coming up with any good ideas.  Are there
any trombonists out there doing stuff that, well, fits in with the
kind of thing we discuss here?  Y'know, improv, maybe live
electronics, someone stretching the vocabulary or something.   I'm
probably overlooking the obvious, so any suggestions would be great.

Thanks!
--
Maurice Rickard
http://mauricerickard.com/
 


I think I've gone through all the suggestions and here are a few I think were
left out.  Hans Anliker, Frank Lacy, Glenn Ferris,Steve Swell,Gunter
Christman.  Does anyone know anything about trombonist Joey Sellers?  I have
a cd he made with Tony Malaby, Formanek, and Billy Mintz  on Nine Winds
("Cosas"-Malaby/Sellars 4tet).  That has some memorable tunes and thoughtful
playing.  I assume he is from LA but haven't seen anything else with him on
it.  Malaby also made an excellent cd with trumpeter Dave Scott on Nine
Winds, a band I remember putting on a great show at Beanbenders a few years
back.  Cheers,
      John Threadgould
np: Cosas-Malaby/Sellers 4tet

- --------------070AD0DA6FF55C685984D981-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:36:52 +0000 (WET) From: Ricardo Reis Subject: Re: What's he building in there ? After thouroughly checking the place... and the lyrics... and a couple of neighbors... i've reach the conclusion that He... is building a box with his wife inside (He's pounding nails into a hardwood floor... and I swear to god I heard someone moaning low... and "I heard he has an ex-wife in some place called Mayors Income, Tennessee"). she is heavly drug'd ("But there's also enouth formaldehyde to choke a horse... "). this because in his time in Indonesia ("he used to have a consulting business in Indonesia..." ) he got into trouble with Opium traders... and his wife found out... and she didn't liked it... and... oh well, do you know that story of E.A.Poe about a fella that kills an old man and hiddens him under the floor? greetings, Ricardo Reis "NON SERVIAM" - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:24:19 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Fwd: ZORN INTERVIEW - --- efrén del valle escribió: > Fecha: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:07:57 +0100 (CET) > De: efrén del valle > Asunto: ZORN INTERVIEW > Para: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > > Hi! > > I've been trying to send the interview for the whole > weekend. Are you sure that attachments are fine? > Have > there been any problems with the general list > address? > > Maybe it will be better if I send the interview as a > text inside a message? Please let me know. > If that is not fine, maybe I could send it from some > friends' e-mail address so don't be surprised if > suddenly my name doesn't appear in a message > entitled > "ZORN INTERVIEW TRANSLATION". > > Regards, > Efrén del Valle > > _______________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de > correo con > Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es > _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 00:24:51 +1100 From: "Julian" Subject: Sydney (Australia) bassists/musicians/vague Zorn relation... Apologies for the location-specific email... Firstly, are there any list members from Sydney who play bass (electric or acoustic) and would like to play interesting music and make lots of money? Same question for musicians in general, minus the lots of money part : ) And just to get something Zorn-related in here, the What Is Music? festival is coming up, February 18th-23rd in Sydney and February 25th-March 7th in Melbourne. Artists include list-related stuff like Tony Buck, Makigami Koichi, Jon Rose, and of course festival-runners Oren Ambarchi and Robbie Avenaim. Plus there's some stuff that has nothing to do with this list but they just have funny names, like the Poo Touchers... So there you go. Julian. - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #263 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com