From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #302 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Monday, February 26 2001 Volume 03 : Number 302 In this issue: - love, madness and mysticism Artaud, Cage/Patchen Re: Artaud, Cage/Patchen Re: Boredoms side projects Re: Artaud, Cage/Patchen pierre schaeffer discography? Fwd: Table of the Elements Showcase Tour 2001 FRED FRITH recommendations Re: Ligeti Edition ELEGY/Jean Genet Re: ELEGY/Jean Genet Re: ELEGY/Jean Genet ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:04:16 -0500 From: Pierre Toussaint Subject: love, madness and mysticism Artur Nowak asked about - - "LOVE, MADNESS AND MYSTICISM" Can't say for sure what it is. But the three tracks are listed inside "Cartoon/S&M" so I can say for sure that these pieces are concert music. All written in 1999, "le momo" for violin and piano (momo doesn't mean anything in french, if it's in french, maybe he wanted to say "mome" which is "kid"), "untitled" is for cello and "amour fou" is for violin, cello and piano (which is french for "mad love" and probably inspired by the famous (and good reading by the way) surrealist poem of the same name by Andre Breton.). - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:23:26 -500 From: Matt Laferty Subject: Artaud, Cage/Patchen "Le Momo", while I don't know what it "means" is a reference to Antonin Artaud's "Artaud le Momo", I reckon. If you ain't been down this road, I see lots of influence on our friend Zorn, who apparently still has good book sense. Along similar lines (not really): Would anyone care to describe the Cage/Patchen cd that came out recently? I'm having a hard time getting around to getting it. Thanks in advance matt - ------------------- > Artur Nowak asked about - - "LOVE, MADNESS AND MYSTICISM" > > Can't say for sure what it is. But the three tracks are listed inside > "Cartoon/S&M" so I can say for sure that these pieces are concert music. > All written in 1999, "le momo" for violin and piano (momo doesn't mean > anything in french, if it's in french, maybe he wanted to say "mome" > which is "kid"), "untitled" is for cello and "amour fou" is for violin, > cello and piano (which is french for "mad love" and probably inspired by > the famous (and good reading by the way) surrealist poem of the same > name by Andre Breton.). > > > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 07:33:46 -0800 (PST) From: simon hopkins Subject: Re: Artaud, Cage/Patchen > Along similar lines (not really): Would anyone care > to describe the > Cage/Patchen cd that came out recently? I'm having > a hard time > getting around to getting it. > I reviewed the record while still on the team at motion. I had this to say: "In 1942, the then-still-emerging young composer John Cage spent some time in Chicago; while there, he was approached by some officials from CBS Radio to collaborate on a radio play with the poet Kenneth Patchen. The play was to be called The City Wears A Slouch Hat and was a surrealistic take on the imaginary visit to Chicago by the Messiah. With typical far-sightedness, Cage composed a huge 250 page score which would incorporate the sounds of the city as part of the 'music' - a revolutionary notion then, and scarcely less so over half a century later. Unfortunately, with only a week to go before the live broadcast, engineers at CBS informed Cage that his score was impractical on every level, and he had to perform an entirely new piece in only seven days. He decided to put together a piece for percussion group and sound effects. In the event the broadcast was quite a success and, significantly, its reception encouraged Cage to move to New York - an important turning point for him. But this CD - the first commercial release of this broadcast - has far more than simply historical significance: City really is quite extraordinary, a frenetic collage-like summation of mid 20th Century urban life, with all its chaos, anger, exhilaration, illogic and speed. The CD also features two other pieces by Cage from the same period. Credo In Us for shortwave radios, prepared piano and percussion comes on like a bunch of especially talented children let loose in a music shop. It was originally composed for a Merce Cunningham duet, so that may well have been the idea. Imaginary Landscape, the first of a highly influential series, is a slightly earlier piece, from 1939. While composer-accompanist at the progressive Cornish School in Seattle, Cage had access to a (for then) highly advanced recording studio which allowed him access to electronic sound-makers. Imaginary Landscape, for electronics, prepared piano and percussion has something of the early science fiction soundtrack about it but is no less charming for that. Christ alone knows what it must have sounded like to Cage's contemporaries. Top marks to the ever-quality Cortical Foundation for this impeccably mastered and package reissue. A final word of caution: this CD is strictly limited to 1000 copies worldwide, so get it while you can." Cheers SH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:35:27 -0000 From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: Boredoms side projects Howdy. >Starting with "Super Roots 6" (or maybe even "Super Roots 5"), How is Super Roots 5? Is it comparable to the ultra heavy and minimalistic Super Roots 3? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:10:11 -0600 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Artaud, Cage/Patchen On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 10:23:26AM +0000, Matt Laferty wrote: > Along similar lines (not really): Would anyone care to describe the > Cage/Patchen cd that came out recently? I'm having a hard time > getting around to getting it. Well, it's a radio play with incidental music, and quite a wonderful listen, very spooky and surreal. I don't listen to it much, but I like it a lot. It also, to my ears, captures the feel of the script better than the performance of it on Mode, possibly because everyone who made it were immersed in the radio theatre medium. (I've always loved radio theatre, ever since coming across a book of Norman Corwin scripts when I was a kid. There's some really good stuff being done nowadays by Seeing Ear Theatre, especially J. Michael Straczynski's "City of Dreams" series, available at http://www.scifi.com/cityofdreams/ ) - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:34:19 -0600 (CST) From: Whit Schonbein Subject: pierre schaeffer discography? hello folks - does anyone know of a pierre schaeffer discography (online)? i'm drawing a blank with my searches. thanks, whit np stereolab, 9 september 1994 ('la la la la..' ;) - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:14:24 -0500 From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Fwd: Table of the Elements Showcase Tour 2001 There was some talk recently about the fate of Table of the Elements so I thought the following press release (trimmed for space) might be of interest. I don't know anything else despite attempts by myself and an editor to contact ToTE. Lang TABLE OF THE ELEMENTS European Showcase Tour 2001 in cooperation with The Wire and Spex featuring PRESOCRATICS (Seattle) and special guests SAN AGUSTIN (New York) 07 March Berlin (Germany) Podewil 08 March Hamburg (Germany) Molotow 09 March Brussels (Belgium) Beurs Schouwburg 10 March Villeurbanne (France) Pez Ner 11 March Grenoble (France) le 102 12 March Aubervilliers / Paris (France) Metafort 13 March Bordeaux (France) Zoobizarre 15 March Thun (Switzerland) Cafe Mokka 16 March Weingarten (Germany) Linse 17 March Duedingen (Switzerland) Bad Bonn 18 March Konstanz (Germany) Studio 1 21 March Zuerich (Switzerland) Substrat 22 March Vienna (Austria) Rhiz 23 March Wels (Austria) Alter Schlachthof 24 March Prague (Czech Republic) Delta 25 March Dresden (Germany) Riesa www.PRESOCRATICS.net - --------------------------------------------------------------------- NEW RELEASE FROM TABLE OF THE ELEMENTS TOE-CD-78 PRESOCRATICS PRESOCRATICS SERVE IMPERIALISM Presocratics Serve Imperialism is the latest dispatch from the doubted underclass intelligentsia. Here, Presocratics employ consumer and post-consumer goods to interrogate history and insomnia in their bid to wrest philosophy from professional academia and the class system it supports, thereby returning it to the people (in general, and those people who pay for CDs with only 20 minutes of music in particular). This EP starts by wrapping vocals and instrumentation around recycled heavy metal (Nestor Mahkno Discovers America) and climaxes with the society debut of The Break-Even Point, the most breathtaking ballad ever to grace the electro-acoustic stage. Behold rock energy mobilized against nostalgia! track listing: 1) Nestor Mahkno Discovers America / Pig Latin [9:04] 2) Red Democracy (Schizophrenia Is No Moral Victory) [7:56] 3) The Break-Even Point [3:33] total running time: 20:33 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -------- PRESOCRATICS PRESOCRATICS SERVE IMPERIALISM TOE-CD-78 street date: March 27, 2001 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ------- NEW RELEASE FROM TABLE OF THE ELEMENTS TOE-CD-77 PRESOCRATICS THE ILL-TEMPERED CASSETTE Four years in the making, The Ill-Tempered Cassette addresses the problems inherent in all composition: not merely formal elements of duration, volume and tone, but intangible issues of economy, narrative & non-associative emotional content, all drawn from the unique sound of a single "blank" cassette tape. Concurrent with yet very different from Presocratics' debut (Works and Days), these seven complimentary tracks are designed to be played in any order or combination. The Ill-Tempered Cassette may be rock-hard musique concret, but it roils in liquid waves of white noise. "Abject formalism on its casual-dress day." -- Wallpaper track listing: 1) One [2:14] 2) Two [15:41] 3) Three [2:04] 4) Four [5:51] 5) Five [10:46] 6) Six [3:07] 7) Seven [13:25] total running time: 53:11 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -------- PRESOCRATICS THE ILL-TEMPERED CASSETTE TOE-CD-77 street date: May 22, 2001 Table of the Elements a unit of The Sandwalking Company The Sandwalking Company Post Office Box 8172 Atlanta, Georgia 31106 USA tel.: (1)404.524.8373 new numbers as of March 1, 2001 tel.: 866.826.TSWC (toll-free) fax: 404.524.8222 info@thesandwalkingcompany.com www.thesandwalkingcompany.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:51:44 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: FRED FRITH recommendations Hi everyone! Since I'm everyday more interested in Frith's work, I'd like to get some recommendations from you. I've got the following records: "Traffic Continues" w/Ensemble Modern, Zeena Parkins & Ikue Mori "Cheap at half the Price" "Step across the border" "Allies" "Killing Time" w/Massacre "Pacifica" "Death Ambient" w/Ikue Mori & Kato Hideki "Ayaya Moses" w/ Fred Frith GUitar Quartet "Middle of the moment" Thanks in advance, Efrén del Valle _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:09:01 EST From: DvdBelkin@aol.com Subject: Re: Ligeti Edition In a message dated Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:32:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, colin_cigarran@sonyusa.com writes: > I have only had access to Soundscan > figures which represent US sales Is this stuff available online? > but the ones I have seen for Ligeti > ranged from the approx. 3,000 - 4,000 units > for a title like the choral works to upwards > of 8,000 - 9,000 for the Piano Etudes > (which actually won the Grammy for Best > Solo Instrumental, I believe). So at > least in the US, few titles if any in the > Edition cracked the 10,000 units level. Wonder how this compares to, say, the sales of the David S Ware quartet albums (to cite another ill-fated Sony venture), i.e., relatively avant major label jazz. > I suppose you have the Budapest SQ > recordings of the late Beethoven quartets? > It's a shame there isn't more but I know > that Bridge Records licensed some BSQ > material from Sony Classical so you should > get in touch with Bridge. Yes, those two sets of the middle and late quartets were wonderfully done (from the packaging on down). But of course it's not complete, and likewise the reissue of BSQ's Mozart series was never completed (late quartets never reissued). Also the Schuberts not complete, I think, and I don't think Sony has ever gotten around to putting more than a few snippets of BSQ's recordings of 20th century composers out on CD. Grrrr. I thought that Bridge had just put out some not-so-good-audio live recordings of BSQ's Beethoven, but maybe I'm misinformed. I'll take another look, thanks. David np: Amsterdam String Trio, Wild West --> AMM, The Inexhaustable Document* (* this one's for you, Brian!) - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:31:18 EST From: BlackBook78@aol.com Subject: ELEGY/Jean Genet I'm still working through Mike Pattons works and now lurking into his territory incorporated with Zorn himself. I picked up Elegy yesterday, have yet to listen to it, but was immediately entranced because it was influenced by the works of Jean Genet (Our Lady of Flowers, Miracle of the Rose, Thiefs Journal) All very enjoyable material. Anyone here familiar with Genet? Thoughts on Elegy? Love it/Hate it? Any thoughts appreciated. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:14:11 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: ELEGY/Jean Genet - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:31:18 EST BlackBook78@aol.com wrote: > > I'm still working through Mike Pattons works and now lurking into his > territory incorporated with Zorn himself. I picked up Elegy yesterday, have > yet to listen to it, but was immediately entranced because it was influenced > by the works of Jean Genet (Our Lady of Flowers, Miracle of the Rose, Thiefs > Journal) All very enjoyable material. Anyone here familiar with Genet? > Thoughts on Elegy? Love it/Hate it? I am usually very dubious about music inspired by literary works (except for operas or anything with voice). I feel that most of the time the musician is just trying to share his latest literary infatuation and the result is at worse self-indulgent wishful thinking, at best: "So what?". Not to mention the embarrassement of using top-notch literary references for a so-so composition. With ELEGY Zorn has succeeded in conveying the deletere atmosphere of Genet's novels. And I would have a hard time to think of another piece of music that succeeds so well on this difficult terrain (since music and literature have close to zero intersection). I was at the Zorn's 40th birthday extravaganza at the KF in 1993. Zorn played a movie and used ELEGY to accompany it. The movie was so obviously targetting the sex element of Genet that it was almost childish. On the opposite, Zorn's piece was able, just with music, to really match the feelings that you get being immmersed in Genet's work. The movie ended up to be just predictable accompaniement of the music! ELEGY is dark and haunting and one of the most original Zorn's composition. Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:35:08 -0600 From: "Ben Axelrad" Subject: Re: ELEGY/Jean Genet genet's writing is simply amazing. my favorites are Our Lady of the Flowers and Funeral Rites. i also recommend claire denis' movie "beau travail", which reminded me more of genet than of billy budd. i'm convinced that the fight scene on the beach where the men are circling each other is a much more graceful version of the fight scene in fassbinder's version of "querrelle". has anyone read edmund wilson's biography of genet? i can't even count the number of times i've picked it up only to put it down, intimidated by its size. ben >From: BlackBook78@aol.com > >I'm still working through Mike Pattons works and now lurking into his >territory incorporated with Zorn himself. I picked up Elegy yesterday, >have yet to listen to it, but was immediately entranced because it was >influenced by the works of Jean Genet (Our Lady of Flowers, Miracle of the >Rose, Thiefs Journal) All very enjoyable material. Anyone here familiar >with Genet? Thoughts on Elegy? Love it/Hate it? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #302 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". 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