From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #332 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Tuesday, March 13 2001 Volume 03 : Number 332 In this issue: - RE: Archie Shepp? ESP re-ish: Get Back vinyl RE: ESP re-ish: Get Back vinyl cecil on rationality, religion and conjuring Pat Metheny Re: cecil on rationality, religion and conjuring Re: Religion/Music parachute box vs. single releases Uitti In Ventura discography at marc ribot's website Re: evan parker with strings re: iranian music Re: Archie Shepp? Query: New York upcoming events? New Music in RealAudio harmolodics RE: Query: New York upcoming events? Dave Douglas Tiny Bell Trio - Lisbon, 12 Mrach 2001 report ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:13:59 -0500 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Archie Shepp? No, that mesage I remember. But I had thought that some time within the last year or so there had been a larger discussion about which of Shepp's discs were worthwhile, which were shit, and so on. I'd wanted to revisit this as part of researching a story I'm about to write. But while we're on the subject, there is now a CD available from the Shepp/Rudd Jazz Standard run I reviewed back in September (the message you quoted). It's out on Universal in France. No word yet as to when (or even whether) Verve in the US will deem it worthy of release. IMHO, it is. It's not on the level of the '60s Impulse releases, but it ain't bad, as were some of the '80s releases. The disc, by the way, is the first of a five-CD deal producer Verna Gillis has made with Universal France. I think the deal is actually Roswell's, but he's sharing the riches with other friends. There's a Sheila Jordan/Rudd disc coming next year, and a lot more besides. Now we just need to gang up on Verve to issue the stuff here... or we need to send Patrice on a shopping expedition for the rest of us... ;-) Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - -----Original Message----- From: Patrice L. Roussel [mailto:proussel@ichips.intel.com] Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 3:05 PM To: ssmith36@sprynet.com Cc: Zorn-List (E-mail); proussel@ichips.intel.com Subject: Re: Archie Shepp? There was a message by Steve Smith (the same :-) on Thu, 21 Sep 2000. It is that? Patrice. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- From: Steve Smith To: Zornlist Subject: REVIEW: Archie Shepp/Roswell Rudd, NYC 9/20/00 (long) 9:30 p.m. Time was when Archie Shepp was the scariest muthafucka in jazz. If Trane was a Sufi mystic, Pharoah a Pentecostal speaker-in-tongues, and [...] - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:21:01 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Handley Subject: ESP re-ish: Get Back vinyl A couple-three years back, I think remember a thread discussing the Italian (?) Get Back label's resissues of ESP albums. I thought I remember some complaints, like shoddy vinyl and sub-substandard mastering, etc. How are the most recent reissues? And isn't someone commencing a reissue program of the ESP on CD? (Since ZYX lost the rights.) Thanks, - ----s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:38:53 -0500 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: ESP re-ish: Get Back vinyl Don't know anything about the ESP Get Back vinyl, but finally got around to picking up one of the Calibre reissues of an ESP title a couple months ago, Ayler's 'Spiritual Unity.' Nice package, nice notes, good sound. Some typos and malaprops in the essays, but nothing outrageous. About time someone did this catalog right (though part of me still wishes Stollman had sold it to Folkways instead...). The Calibre series has been going on for over a year now, I think. You can tell which ones are theirs... the jazz issues come in a sort of auburn-colored cardborad sleeve around the jewel box. (I think the rock releases are a different color, if vague memory serves.) And they're being issued numerically. They're fullprice, which is silly, and I think the 'Slug's Saloon' Ayler dates are still split on two discs even though each is only about 30 minutes long. But they seem to be in every major store I frequent. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Martinu, Symphony No. 2, 2nd mvt., Natl Sym Orch of Ukraine/Fagen (Naxos) - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:20:01 -0800 From: "Martin Wisckol" Subject: cecil on rationality, religion and conjuring "logic is the lowest form of magic" - -- cecil taylor (from the art ensemble CD he guested on) - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:33:41 -0800 (PST) From: Theo Klaase Subject: Pat Metheny - --0-1019890711-984432821=:5468 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'd like to hear from those who have a dramatic opinion on Pat Metheny as a guitarist/composer/arranger/etc.... one way or the other... E-mail me privately, Thank you.... - -That which is Theo "My philosophy, in essense, is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute." An individualist is a man who says: "I will not run anyone else's life, nor let anyone rule mine. I will not rule or be ruled. I will not sacrifice myself for anyone, nor sacrifice anyone to myself." --Ayn Rand. - --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! - --0-1019890711-984432821=:5468 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

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-That which is Theo     "My philosophy, in essense, is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute."

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Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! - --0-1019890711-984432821=:5468-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:44:12 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: cecil on rationality, religion and conjuring On Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:20:01 -0800 "Martin Wisckol" wrote: > > "logic is the lowest form of magic" > -- cecil taylor (from the art ensemble CD he guested on) Should look great on a t-shirt. Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:20:09 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Religion/Music On Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:20:31 -0500 "Ryan W. Blum" wrote: > > > From: "Patrice L. Roussel" > > Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:10:01 -0800 > > >> There are several meanings of "science" which clearly include aspects > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Could you clarify that? Who are the people who propose these "several > > meanings of science which include aspects of religions". > > > > I know many crackpots who do that, but I am curious to see if you have > > somebody in mind with some serious scientific credentials. > > You should read Einstein's thoughts on the subject, if you want a real You might be confused by the meaning of his special and general relativity theories :-). Einstein's position of what science is was quite clear and leaves no room for "relativism". Now if you want to talk about his position on the use of science, that's another story. > non-crackpot's pov. Also interesting is a conversation between the Dalai > Lama and brain/cog. scientists (Francisco Varela) under the title "Sleeping I am definitely looking forward for the Dalai Lama to be enlighted on science... and I thought that he received a Nobel prize? > Dreaming Dying." I'm not sure though if Buddhism will fit your (elusive) > "religion" definiton. David Austin has a book out called "Zen and the Brain" > which is 800 pages and an amazing read. &c... Even Prof. Gould has some ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Somebody once asked Einstein what he tought of a thick book written to prove that his theory of special relativity was wrong, and he answered that if this person was right, one page would have been enough :-). > interesting thoughts on the matter. If by "serious scientific credentials" > you mean "is Carl Sagan," then we probably won't find anyone. No, but I tend to flee like the plague any book with Zen or Tao in the title. Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:58:15 -0500 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Pierre=20Toussaint?= Subject: parachute box vs. single releases This question as in some way been answered recently. But my question is slightly different. Is there in the parachute box (they must be someone out there who bought a copy) something other than the the four jewel boxes (pool, hockey, lacrosse, archery) which each include liner notes, etc.? Is there a book or something? - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:26:05 -0800 From: "s~Z" Subject: Uitti In Ventura ********************************** Ventura New Music Concert Series World Famous Cellist Frances-Marie Uitti Friday, 8 PM, March 16, 2001 Ventura City Hall Foyer 501 Poli Street, Ventura Admission: $10. Tickets at the door only No advance sales. For More Info: http://pfmentum.com/events.html Opening will be Jeff Kaiser and Jim Connolly (trumpet, electronics and acoustic bass) PLEASE NOTE: We will be playing in a different location at City Hall. The Foyer is the main entrance at the very corner of Poli and California Streets. We are doing this to take advantage of the absolutely stunning natural reverb to enhance your concert experience. For Directions: http://www.mapblast.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 18:02:32 +1100 From: "Julian" Subject: discography at marc ribot's website Not sure if this has been mentioned before... Ribot's discography says he was involved in Ambarchi/Avenaim's "Alter Rebbe's Nigun". I wasn't aware of his involvement (though do remember him being cited as an influence). Anyway, does he play on the album at all? - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:53:17 -0800 (PST) From: Ryan Novak Subject: Re: evan parker with strings >The other cliche in full effect was the "Nirvana" >school of non-idiomatic >improv - here's a loud bit, now here's a quiet bit, >followed by...a loud >bit! Not to mention the inability of so many players >to decide that to *not* >play something is as important as scrabbling on. Knowing when to shut up and not barrel forward all the time is probably the key to real virtuosity in that field (and not to mention makes it more musical IMO, rather than a chops display, no matter how weird the chops). And speaking of, I just got the Guy/Gustafsson Frogging disc and found Guy's playing a bit like the scrabbling-on mentioned. I know he's highly regarded but I found his playing didn't "breathe" at all on this, or whatever. It's great at first, like Bailey, but then the often ceaseless momentum becomes very tired and sometimes obnoxious. Their vocabularies are obviously enormous, and the playing is good, but it doesn't get me excited the way Gustafsson's other stuff for example does. And I've only listened once or twice, but that's the initial response to it. I only say this heresy so someone who gets a feeling for what I dig might offer a recommendation or two for some texture/power non-idiomatic insect improv (when you can't find a suitable term, just use them all) that breathes a bit. Maybe this is a tall order... Thanks much, Ryan N. (Sorry if this is for whatever reason totally out of context- I haven't been reading all the digests) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:02:13 -0500 From: Taylor McLaren Subject: re: iranian music MEEP! steve koenig (Acousticlv@aol.com) wrote: >and a 3cd set cheap on hamronia mundi, also avail indiv: the music of iran: >tar, ney, oud I'm not sure how readily available it is any more (I stumbled over it in the $5.99 bin at a local electronics superstore last summer), but there's a pretty impressive single-disc effort that Harmonia Mundi put out in 1977 called _Musique Iranienne_ that features zarb, santour, and tar pieces that I find myself coming back to all the time. If nothing else, I had a hard time arguing with the price. - -me - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:27:28 +0100 From: "sen@chello.be" Subject: Re: Archie Shepp? on 12/03/01 20:55, Steve Smith at ssmith36@sprynet.com wrote: > Hi Zornies: > > I seem to remember our having a disussion not so long ago about Archie > Shepp. Did I imagine this, or did it really happen? And before I go > digging into the archives, does anyone remember roughly when this might have > taken place? > > Gratefully, > Steve Smith > ssmith36@sprynet.com > About Shepp, does anyone know of a live recording titled "Freedom", released on "Jazz Music Yesterday". Is it on CD or LP? What does he play on it? How is the sound (I just know it's live),. Is it good? Thanks in advance. Sen. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:08:57 +0100 From: Fritz Feger Subject: Query: New York upcoming events? My wife will be in New York City next week, March 20-26 (the first time for her life), and she wondered which clubs or gigs she should enter. Any recommendations? Where can I find a concert calendar covering avant and jazz in general for NY in the net? Please email me privately (I guess almost everybody on the list except me knows answers... :-) Thanks; Fritz. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 07:32:41 -0600 From: Herb Levy Subject: New Music in RealAudio Hi y'all, This week on Mappings , you'll hear music by Charles Amirkhanian, Wende Bartley, Eve Beglarian, Jaap Blonk, Tim Brady, Paul Dutton, Sadie Harrison, Eduardo Reck Miranda, Nick Williams, and Carlos Zingaro & Daunik Lazro. The show went online Monday evening around 10:00 PM (-0800 GMT) and will remain online at the above URL for a week. Last week's program, featuring music by Lou Harrison is still available in the Mappings archive , where you can also find play lists for the program since it began in March 1998. Hope you tune in to the program. Bests, Herb - -- Herb Levy P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147 817 377-2983 herb@eskimo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 06:28:31 -0800 (PST) From: jason tors Subject: harmolodics I am reading the peter wilson biography on ornette titled, ornette coleman his life and music. The book goes into depth on ornette's harmolodic theory, the technical aspects of it, but not enough of the real theoretical. As I read more about the theoretical aspects I began attributing certain characteristics to my art work. Most of my inspiration comes from music, so I look to non technical forms of orchestrating musicians as a way to organize visual art processes. It is no surprise why I am drawn to the z-list in this regard. According to peter wilson there was a book on harmolodic theory in the works, but due to one reason or another was sacked. Ornette apparently expressed interest in writing the book like a novel so that even non-musicians would be inspired to create music. I found a good site that outlines some very soft ideas, but it is almost impossible to try and apply them to anything specific. http://www.eyeneer.com/Labels/Harmolodic/HARMOLODIC.html I am looking for any information the z-list might have in regard to harmolodic theory or the status of the harmolodic book. Or even, how to get in touch with any educational resources that may apply harmolodics. [is it possible to email ornette?!?!] I took some inspiration from what zorn discussed in the jazziz article last year about his notetaking process and adaped it to my photographic style. If interested check out the results at: http://www.thirtydirtybirds.com/pictures/ [the coney island section does not apply] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:51:16 -0500 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Query: New York upcoming events? There's not a single calendar that lists all jazz and avant-garde events, but if you and your wife spend a little bit of time perusing the following, you should be in good shape: For jazz-related events (especially those tending toward the outside), try Margaret Davis's "Art Attack" at: www.jazznewyork.org For things specifically at Tonic, try: www.tonic107.com For things all over the city as selected by a specific group of journalists: www.villagevoice.com (look for the section marked "Voice Choices") And for a good general overview of the city, the site run by the New York Times: www.nytoday.com Between those four sources, she should do okay. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - nothing, it's too early for the neighbors... - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:35:10 +0000 (WET) From: Ricardo Reis Subject: Dave Douglas Tiny Bell Trio - Lisbon, 12 Mrach 2001 report Hi! I'm cross posting this to the Miles and Zorn lists. Last night (12 March) Dave Douglas Tiny Bell Trio (Dave Douglas, Brad Shepik and Jim Black) present themselfs in Lisbon, at CCB (centro cultural de Belem). The concert was great. They've started slow with Black on drums and with a lot of other "gadgets": bells, sand boxes and a few more i just don't know how they are called. He also used his dishes in unconventional maners (maybe not, but i'm not used to that), especially like those guys playing with saws... They went from very fast to very slow, from real hapiness (almost Balcans style) to very touching one's, and in one piece Douglas (alone) almost simulated what I best describe as a couple of toons arguing among themselfs :). He got some weird sounds from his trumpet (not so weird if one is aknowledged with mister Z. work ;)), playing it in the most curious manners (with his nose or blowing directly into the pistons). This got a few lafs from the audience anyway. Shepik is also a great player and the three semmed to enjoy what they were doing. At one moment Douglas and Shepik were starting to cut in in a piece but give up a few times because of Black performance (he was using his drums and all his array of the so mentioned "gadgets"). They didn't seemed upset just happy because of the way Black was playing and his enjoyment in that particular piece. In other several pieces Douglas went away to the darker side of the stage, leaving Shepik and Black playing alone and sometimes coming back, trumpet in hand, blowing fast or just really slow, resulting in a very good way to my ears... They went back for two encores, the last one of them when there was a lot of aplaused still but some folks were already leaving. This got some lafs also from the applauding believers ;). I've made a record of the concert in minidisc, I'm trying to get it on CDR. If anyone interested please just say. And does anyone know the url to Dave Douglas site (and if Jim Black's, or Shepik?). I would like to send them a copy of the recording... Ricardo Reis, with ears still reverberating "NON SERVIAM" - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #332 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com