From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #351 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Friday, March 23 2001 Volume 03 : Number 351 In this issue: - Re: online store comparisons? Three things. Re: Three things. Re: online store comparisons? Re: online store comparisons? Transgressive Auteurism. Re: online store comparisons? Re: PiL Again - Flogging the Dead Horse atlanta Re: Wall to Wall Miles Davis RE: ordinary fanfares playlist #2 Re: atlanta Re: Wall to Wall Miles Davis rabih abou-khalil Re: rabih abou-khalil RE: Wall to Wall Miles Davis Georg Katzer (some Zorn content) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 22 Mar 2001 19:49:57 -0800 From: Dan Given Subject: Re: online store comparisons? > > Verge (http://www.vergemusic.com/) > > > > + Large selection of avant-jazz & experimental music of all sorts > > + Very good prices in USD due to good exchange rate with CAD > > + 5% discount on most items if 'backorder' option chosen > > - with 'backorder' option, order could go out in arbitrary number of > > shipments (with associated cost, hence the 5% discount) The backorder policy has always bugged me (I've been buying from Daniel since pre-Verge days, when the company was Marginal Distribution). However it is getting better -- on the last couple of backorders I got an email when he got them in, giving me the option of making another order. This helps to cut down the shipping cost per item. Dan Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:17:52 -0500 From: Taylor McLaren Subject: Three things. First of all, Steve Smith wrote: >Anyone hear the new disc by The Damage Manual, which >came out last year on Invisible? That was Wobble and Atkins with Geordie >from Killing Joke and Chris Connelly from the Ministry/RevCo/Pigface axis. >Heard good things but never checked it out. The immediate comparison that springs to mind for me is Tin Machine with a much more powerful rhythm section. (Keep in mind that this is coming from one of the approximately six people on the planet who really, really liked Tin Machine.) There are a couple of freebie tracks available at emusic.com in case anybody feels like checking them out without slapping down any money, but their first EP ("1") is pretty damned cheap in any event. Meanwhile, as far as online stores go, I figured that I should mention the following: - Anomalous' selection is generally fantastic, but anybody living outside of the States is likely to pay through the nose for shipping. I have yet to place an order where I wasn't charged at least five or six dollars more than was eventually spent on postage, and while I can't say that I begrudge Eric the couple of dollars, anybody working on a really tight (student) budget might want to keep that in mind. Their high-turnover assortment of used stuff, on a similar tip, has been a source of many interesting surprises for me... wait until they decide to clear out a lot of dusty old crap for 50 cents a pop, tell them to send you thirty dollars' worth, and spend the next two weeks sifting through the results. - Drimala, probably in keeping with its size, treats almost every order like a major event. I have yet to submit a request through their web site that doesn't receive a personal e-mail confirmation within a day or so, and they update you constantly on the status of any back-ordered items. They also send out really goofy Successories-brand Christmas cards (from the "Corporate Expressions" line) which got a good chuckle out of me this past winter. I also seem to recall Jon saying that they pay the labels whose releases they resell pretty quickly, which sounds like another good reason to get behind them. - Another good source for the electronic/noise end of the spectrum that wasn't mentioned on the original list is Manifold (www.manifoldrecords.com) in Memphis. Vince's built-in shipping costs will nail you to the floor if you buy a lot of vinyl, but the selection is great within the genre's boundaries, and it's hard to argue with a return policy that extends as far as taking back stuff that you just don't like. Also, just in case anybody is interested, there's a halfway-decent recording of the Rio concert by the current incarnation of Guns 'n' Roses up on Usenet right now (alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.bootlegs), complete with a couple of Buckethead solos and yadda-yadda-yadda. It all sounds kind of half-baked to me, but the line-up is interesting in any event. Dig in. - -me - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:19:56 EST From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Three things. In a message dated 3/23/01 12:07:58 AM, toast@primus.ca writes: << Drimala, probably in keeping with its size, treats almost every order like a major event. I also seem to recall Jon saying that they pay the labels whose releases they resell pretty quickly, which sounds like another good reason to get behind them. >> yes, Drimala is a pleasure to work with from a label's perspective. they not only pay remarkably quickly, but they do a superb job displaying the titles on their site. North Country also pays quite quickly, and Forced Exposure is very reliable. another European distributor with a great selection and superb prices is Fringes (www.fringesrecordings.com), run by Giuseppe Ielasi. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:30:20 -0500 From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Re: online store comparisons? Hello All, I just wanted to let everybody know, that Tower Records on-line store has a really huge sale on import, used and out of print CDs. The web site is bad organized, but I think it is worthy to spend some time on it. For example they have some (unfortunately not all) JMT releases (e.g. Tim Berne's Bloodcount, Uri Caine, Django Bates) for amazing price of $8.49. But hurry up, because these items will not last forever. Thursday, March 22, 2001, you wrote to me: VKAL> This list seems like a good place to come up with a comprehensive comparison VKAL> between the various online sources for purchasing the music discussed here. VKAL> I'll start with some paltry details, but hope that others will fill in more, VKAL> and details of their buying experiences - especially regarding genre and VKAL> label availabilities at the various places (i.e., comparing the stores' VKAL> racks), and prices; their favorite stores, and any revealing anecdotes or VKAL> anything. Really, I'm looking for why people buy at the places they do. VKAL> I've typically stuck to just a couple, so could use a more thorough buyer's VKAL> guide to buying, so to speak. I know there are some store-owners on the VKAL> list - hopefully they're cool with this and any resulting dicussion. :) VKAL> Please add in new entries, or comment on those below. - -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 23:35:30 -0600 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: online store comparisons? On Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 12:30:20AM -0500, Peter Gannushkin wrote: > Hello All, > > I just wanted to let everybody know, that Tower Records on-line store > has a really huge sale on import, used and out of print CDs. The web > site is bad organized, but I think it is worthy to spend some time on > it. For example they have some (unfortunately not all) JMT releases > (e.g. Tim Berne's Bloodcount, Uri Caine, Django Bates) for amazing > price of $8.49. But hurry up, because these items will not last > forever. Ooh, yeah. I just got a shipment with a couple of Jamaaladeen Tacuma one each of James Blood Ulmer and Ornette, and a few other things, all out of print imports, all $6.49. Yeah. (I hope at least some of the money eventually reaches the artists for stuff like this...) - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 02:07:08 EST From: Orangejazz@aol.com Subject: Transgressive Auteurism. I feel that I've come to a better understanding of the child pornography/sexuality issue thanks to this list and a re-reading of E.M. Cioran's text inside of "Music For Children", a further reading of the Bellmer book, which by the way is by Sue Taylor and has plenty of pictures and a very detailed psychonanalytic text, and a better reassessing of Bataille's discussion of transgression. As to Zorn as the transgressive auteur, though, is where I'd really like to penetrate a little bit further. How does Zorn's music break the bounderies of possibility? One of my favorite examples, and when I finally get around to doing a real critical analysis of one of his pieces, is the use of branches in his string pieces. From what I can discern, he implements the breaking of tree branches in some of his work, and it basically sounds like the stringed wooden instrument is being completely destroyed. From a more social aspect, we see Zorn's work as being boundery-less genre-wise, but that's a little bit obvious. I'm very curious about his actual pieces being transgressive, does anyone have any insight? from, matt - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 23:52:19 -0800 From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: online store comparisons? > > In a message dated 3/22/01 6:14:44 PM, velaires@earthlink.net writes: > > << I heartily endorse www.genn.com, which actually represents many different > sellers. >> > > that's www.gemm.com, unless we're discussing nutritional supplements. > > Jon > www.erstwhilerecords.com > > - > i apologize for my typing. but my point is salient... skip h - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:11:51 -0800 From: Jim Flannery Subject: Re: PiL Again - Flogging the Dead Horse thomas chatterton wrote: > > Who didn't have mixed feelings about 'Album' when it came out? > In many ways (right down to the cover & title!) it's the ultimate generic > rock album, Actually, I didn't even hear the record for years after, so unmixed were my feelings about their grand theft of the packaging/marketing concept from Flipper, who had years earlier already shown PiL how the audience-baiting concept *really* works when they demolished an opening spot on the first PiL tour ... - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com "It's no bed of roses, let me tell you, being a mutant." -- Warren Dearden np: Kleenex/Liliput, discography cd nr: Jalal Toufic, _Over-Sensitivity_ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 02:58:37 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gatzen Subject: atlanta i am going to be moving there within the next couple months. Is any of you from there? And if so are there any cool places to see gigs and what are they? Help a Zornster out. Tom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:42:45 EST From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: Wall to Wall Miles Davis Okay, since I'll be occupied all day and won't be able to listen to this, let alone drive down to NYC to attend, who's going to record the whole bugger? Kind of blue, Tom In a message dated 3/14/01 3:18:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, ssmith36@sprynet.com writes: << Hi List: Just wanted to make sure that everyone knew about this HUGE event in New York City next Saturday the 24th, and for once, those out of town will at least get to hear the music if they're so inclined, via the magic of the web. Once a year, Symphony Space puts on a special presentation called "Wall to Wall (X)," where X stands for some major artist alnog the lines of Cole Porter, Kurt Weill, etc., etc. They use it both as a celebration of a major artist and a way to get lots and lots of people to come check out their nice space. It runs from 12 noon to 12 midnight and it's completely free of charge, which usually means long lines outside. This year is a tribute to Miles Davis, and I just recently got the complete schedule. I'd tell folks to e-mail me privately for the schedule, but like I said before, this year you can hear the show no matter where you are. The entire event will be broadcast on WBGO-FM, which webcasts at www.wbgo.org. So just remember that it's on from noon to midnight in New York on Saturday, March 24, and then adjust accordingly. Therefore, here's what you can expect, with the major items of interest to the Z-list in ALL CAPS, though of course jazz fans in particular will see even more over which to salivate... 12 noon - 2 p.m. "Bitches Brew": BOBBY PREVITE'S VOODOO DOWN ORCHESTRA "Relaxin' with Miles": Terell Stafford Quartet "The Hot Spot": OLU DARA "E.S.P.": Bobby Watson and Horizon "Mileselektronika": Hagans/Belden Animation featuring DJ Kingsize 2-4 p.m. "Live/Evil": SEX MOB with BILL FRISELL and DJ LOGIC "Song and Surprise": Jane Ira Bloom (BOBBY PREVITE on drums) "Someday My Prince Will Come": The Campbell Brothers "The Miles Experience": Nora York "Urban Tap - Aura": Tamango and Fabio Morgera "Gemini: Double Image": GREG TATE'S BURNT SUGAR/THE ARKESTRA CHAMBER 4-6 p.m. "Directions in Music": DAVE DOUGLAS NEW QUINTET "The Romance of Miles": Bob Belden (spoken word) "Loose Change from the Plugged Nickel": Ingrid Jensen Group "Pop Songs": Russell Gunn Group "He Loved Him Madly": FRANK LONDON & INVOCATIONS (featuring ANTHONY COLEMAN) "The Birth of the Cool": Graham Haynes Nonet 6-8 p.m. "The Making of Kind of Blue": Ashley Kahn (spoken) "Sketches of Spain": Melba Joyce "Airegin": Joe Lovano Quintet "The World of Miles": Mamadou Diabate and the Ben Allison Trio "Prince of Darkness": David Sanchez and the Melaza Sextet "Dark Magus": MELVIN GIBBS' LIBERATION THEORY WITH PETE COSEY 8-10 p.m. "Reminiscences": George Wein "Solo": John Lewis "In a Silent Way": DON BYRON MUSIC FOR SIX MUSICIANS "Miles '58/'66": Eddie Henderson with Jimmy Cobb "Remiscences": George Avakian (spoken) "Sketches of Spain": Maria Schneider Orchestra with Wallace Roney and Miles Evans 10 p.m.-midnight "The Street": Paquito D'Rivera "All Blues": VERNON REID AND MASQUE "Code M.D.": Adam Holzman and Brave New World "Homage": Wallace Roney Group Of course, if you're like me and feel that Miles never, ever did go through a bad period, you might want to try to catch the whole thing. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Gorguts, "Elusive Treasures," 'From Wisdom to Hate' (Olympic/Century Media) >> ______________________________________________________________________ Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately, and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music." - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 07:15:49 -0800 (PST) From: Grey ElkGel Subject: RE: ordinary fanfares playlist #2 hi, > Seriously, I missed your earlier annoucement about > this series - is it webcast on the station's site? > And is it a regularly scheduled program? i didn't realize steve posted this inquiry to the list, so i responded to him personally, but for the benefit (?) of anyone else who's interested, ordinary fanfares is webcast. see www.wmfo.org. the next show will be on april 3rd from midnight to 2am EST. thanks, .greg. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:34:46 -0500 From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: atlanta Check http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:42:08 -0000 From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: Wall to Wall Miles Davis hello > "Live/Evil": SEX MOB with BILL FRISELL and DJ LOGIC Wawu, this looks amazing. Has anybody heard them perform this before? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:13:47 -0800 From: "Martin Wisckol" Subject: rabih abou-khalil Sr. Chatterton was nping: Rabih Abou-Khalil (w/Ellery Eskelin and a whole bunch of other m/fs) The Cactus of Knowledge what is this? the new enja? who else is on it? is it on the street? and, most importantly, how is it? - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:21:28 EST From: Jeffcalt@aol.com Subject: Re: rabih abou-khalil Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com writes: > The Cactus of Knowledge > > what is this? the new enja? who else is on it? is it on the street? and, > most importantly, how is it? http://www.enjarecords.com/c9401.htm - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:26:10 -0500 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Wall to Wall Miles Davis I'd venture to guess that this is a first. I know that Sex Mob has worked with DJ Logic before, but Frisell just happened to be in town (he's at the odious Blue Note this week with his New Quartet and in duos with Ron Carter). I think that Frisell might have sat in on a Sex Mob date in Seattle at some point - the Seattle Zony Mashers could probably confirm this... I'll report on their hairstyles on Monday. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - givin' the ol' earholes a rest after some intense Scelsi... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Gadney Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 11:42 AM To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: Wall to Wall Miles Davis > "Live/Evil": SEX MOB with BILL FRISELL and DJ LOGIC Wawu, this looks amazing. Has anybody heard them perform this before? - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:33:44 -0000 From: "Alastair Wilson" Subject: Georg Katzer (some Zorn content) I've recently discovered "Aide Memoire" by Georg Katzer, a tape piece for radio written in the early eighties (in old East Germany)and released on vinyl by Recommended. It uses old recordings of speeches, popular songs, etc. to comment on the Nazi years in Germany. I've done a search on Google and found very little on Katzer, save that he did a duet album on FMP some years back. Two questions: (1) Does anyone have any more information on his work; and (2) If you know "Aide Memoire", how would you compare what he does to, say, "Kristallnacht"? (told you there was some Zorn content) Alastair _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #351 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com