From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #376 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Wednesday, April 11 2001 Volume 03 : Number 376 In this issue: - Re: oboe drummer john hollenbeck Re: And because *I* care... Re: oboe (Dan Plonsey) Re: Elvis Costello/Ryko Re: Because I care... info on new April and May Tzadiks Re: David Toop Books (NO ZORN CONTENT) NADEs Re: oboe (Dan Plonsey) toop Re: toop parker/wobble Re: Amm live report Re: oboe RE: drummer john hollenbeck ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:04:54 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: oboe In a message dated 4/11/01 1:43:34 PM, william_york@hotmail.com writes: << Trying to recover from seeing ROVA, Leo Smith, Fred Frith, AMM, Goatwhore, Paraphrase, Candiria and Cryptopsy all within the last five days, in three different cities, almost all for the first time ... whew >> AMM live reports! more AMM live reports, please! Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:12:03 -0300 From: mwoodwor Subject: drummer john hollenbeck hey I've got a chance to go see a drummer who is currently an artist-in-residence at a university near here - John Hollenbeck i haven't heard of him - but he apparently plays with Cuong Vu, Chris Speed, Drew Gress, and other good players (and is featured on the Cuong Vu trio album Pure on KF). Can anyone let me know what he is like and if it is worth missing Survivor tomorrow night to go check it out (let's all pray Elizabeth doesn't get voted off) ha ha, nobody kill me. mike. np. new Rabih Abou khalil (cactus of knowledge) - - best thing I've heard from him since The Blue Camel (or maybe Al-jadida) - project seemed like a disaster waiting to happen -but the large group pulls it off with flying colours - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:18:55 -0400 From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Re: And because *I* care... At 10:52 AM -0700 4/11/01, z~S wrote: >http://www.outwestnewspaper.com/sourdough.html Wow. That sure is a lot of yodeling. I'll bet there's more yodeling per unit time on the Sourdough Slim CD than there is on the Corin Curschellas disc. Key quote: "...he ended up a yodeling cowboy in Paradise." Not in Paradise, but not yodeling either, Maurice - -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: 11 Apr 2001 12:21:34 -0700 From: Dan Given Subject: Re: oboe (Dan Plonsey) > Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:14:27 -0400 > From: "Steve Smith" > Subject: RE: Oboe > there's a disc by San Francisco reed player Dan > Plonsey called 'Understanding Human Behavio' > (spelling is correct here) on the Limited > Sedition CD-R label. He made the disc on the > first two days he owned the instrument. Dan's a > fine, fine sax player, and he manages to get > around the oboe pretty well, but let's just say that > the concept here is... different. And that's there's > a fair amount of intentionally bad synthesizer and > rhythm box playing on it, eventually. What a great disc! I love "I've Got a Little Oboe" Has anyone heard the solo Plonsey disc on Felmay (or Newtone, or whatever name they are going by)? I really like his multi-tracked recording on Music and Arts. And what else has he done that might be available? Dan Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:31:13 -0400 From: Glenn_Lea@avid.com Subject: Re: Elvis Costello/Ryko Mike Brooker asked: Anyone know what is going on with Elvis Costello's Rkyo Catalog? Are anymore being reissued or are the current titles all out of print? I read that Rhino now has the catalog and will be reissuing each album with new and different unreleased tracks than Ryko had. Some will be double CD releases, including "Very Best Of". - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:09:59 EDT From: PaanKu@aol.com Subject: Re: Because I care... info on new April and May Tzadiks what else do we know about these xtatica cats? im all over the internet right now and i cant find a damn thing ~fishy - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:41:47 -0700 From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: David Toop Books (NO ZORN CONTENT) > I read Toop's Ocean of Sound and Exotica (is that the title?) and both are > very good. What I like about both books is that it is Toop's personal > take on the music - and it goes off in different areas.. Like I was > surprised to know that there was a David Crosby connection to Les Baxter! > > Les used to refer to David Crosby as "that psychotic folksinger." skip h - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:48:40 EDT From: ObviousEye@aol.com Subject: NADEs - --part1_84.14171b7f.28061d28_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Kang's '7 NADEs' What is a NADE? ben - --part1_84.14171b7f.28061d28_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Kang's '7 NADEs'

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ben - --part1_84.14171b7f.28061d28_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:47:22 -0700 From: "z~S" Subject: Re: oboe (Dan Plonsey) http://www.newcreativemusic.com/i_archives.html#dp - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 02:29:23 +0100 From: dan hill Subject: toop david toop's written several books. as skip noted, "exotica" is fabulous. toop manages to combine an impressionistic, highly personal "kurtz-like" journey into exotica (a broad definition thereof), with a bunch of excellent interview material, with les baxter, ornette coleman, bill laswell, nusrat, burt bacharach and the boo-yaa tribe. "ocean of sound" is pretty much required reading in terms of understanding modern popular music - how it's made and the influences upon it. joining the dots between debussey, sun ra, aphex twin, 70s miles, etc. ... a brilliant, groundbreaking book. and i've also read "rap attack 3" which is a top-notch, rattling good read of the story of hip-hop, from bronx block parties up to tupac and notorious big ... again, lots of good research and interviews, woven together with strong writing, opinion and insight. david knows his stuff. cheers, dan. ps. please note the new email address. pps. david toop's also produced some very fine music - i think his album "pink noir" (feat. jon hassall and evan parker amongst others) is one of my favourite late-90s albums. ppps. speaking of evan parker, as we weren't, the gig with jah wobble (picking up on a thread from a couple of weeks ago) at london's QEH a week ago was abysmal, imho. wobble's egomania was in overdrive, drowning out musicians of the calibre of parker, clive bell, drummer mark saunders, steve beresford etc. - through the sheer volume of his bass, and a "live mix" which drowned everything in reverb. astonishingly bad - wobble had half the stage to himself, and 'conducted' the band zappa-style. he was just doing his usual monotonous basslines, which seemed to go on for days. rubbish. i quite like wobble's sound and style - in a context of equal footing within the rhythm section of a good band. but not here. there were many walkouts. i wished i had too, but the only gig i've ever walked out on remains astrud gilberto at the jazz cafe. the great burnt friedman also played that night, in a hit-and-miss duet with ex-can drummer jaki liebezeit. you'd be surprised by liebezeit these days - he's completely stripped his style back to basics, essentially sounding like a live drum machine, playing with only a snare, a couple of toms, and two cymbals. no kick drum (no kick drum!?!? someone who's responsible for some of my favourite kickings of kick drum on "vitamin c" off "ege bamyasi"!). he employed a plodding, deliberate style, which i quite enjoyed. there's so much rhythmic information in friedman's samples that, once liebezeit got going, he was able to pick out different accents and patterns all the time. quite entertaining, though some in the audience clearly thought he'd learnt to play the drums that afternoon. i think friedman enjoyed the 'intellectual conceit' of one of the great organic groove machines playing like a toy drummer-boy. he's like that. i'd love to see friedman play with a drummer who'd take him on though - jim black, billy kilson, joey baron, say - or indeed the liebezeit of a few years ago. the other 'act' was pole, who did his thing to no great effect. why play dance music in a posh venue like the queen elizabeth hall? he was the only one dancing ... pppps. currently enjoying mike barnes' fine book about captain beefheart. excellent good fun. ppppps. also currently enjoying "wicked grin". so there. if you like the blues, you'll like the album, whether you like waits or not. i love waits, and have no problem *whatsoever* with someone interpreting his tunes. go for your fuckin life, i reckon. you can hear waits all over it anyway, and the zorn list seems an odd place to find the notion that a certain artist's work is sacrosanct and untouchable. - -- dan hill cityofsound.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:47:09 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: toop nice recap by dan as to what toop's done so far. here's some of what he's up to now. he's currently at work on a book about digital music and the body, "the impact digital music creation is having on more 'traditional' means of making music - both the ways in which it seems to make performance in the conventional sense redundant and in the ways it has connected with the very social, physical and spontaneous methods of improvised music." he's also slated to make his NY Times debut in a few weeks, writing an electroacoustic improv scene overview, tied into my mid-May Tonic festival, AMPLIFY 2001: mainsine. more details on the Tonic site, www.tonicnyc.com, scroll down to May 14/15. and I'm obviously biased, but his review of do in the new Wire is one of the best written record reviews I've ever read. it's posted on my web site under Press if you haven't seen it. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:48:58 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: parker/wobble In a message dated 4/11/01 9:31:01 PM, dan@cityofsound.com writes: << speaking of evan parker, as we weren't, the gig with jah wobble (picking up on a thread from a couple of weeks ago) at london's QEH a week ago was abysmal, imho. >> I heard some of this CD in DMG the other day and couldn't believe how bad it was. I actually thought Bruce was lying to me when he told me what was playing. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 22:47:30 EDT From: Fastian@aol.com Subject: Re: Amm live report - --part1_45.4dbd579.28067142_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/11/01 12:06:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, JonAbbey2@aol.com writes: > AMM live reports! more AMM live reports, please! > > Jon > www.erstwhilerecords.com > > I saw AMM Sunday night at Mills College in Oakland with a couple of fellow > zornlisters. It was in a big hall with great acoustics and was well > attended. AMM played in very little light,only small lamps near each one. > The music slowly unfolded and was very quiet for the most part. A lot of > it seemed driven by Rowe's electronics with Prevost and Tilbury adding > embellishments. The stage was so elevated that you could just see Rowe > hunched over a table, not really what he was doing. Very little seemed > like it was produced by strings however. Tilbury's best moments seemed to > be when he was playing the inside of the piano. At one point, in the > middle of a piece, he left the stage and went and played the piano in the > back room( with all the doors open for the sound to come out) Prevost was > very engaging to watch. Besides having a somewhat normal kit, he had a > huge bass drum laid flat upon which he did a lot of interesting cymbal > work. The drum would greatly amplify everything he did. He would slide > the cymbal across the drum in sweeping movements while he was bowing it and > at one point he had several cymbals spinning on the drum which made for > some very wavery sounds. I'm glad I went to the show, found it worthwhile, > but it wasn't as interesting as the Rova fest or the Paraphrase show the > same weekend. It seems more like a modern classical approach than a > jazz/noise improv approach. A little dry. I know I'm speaking heresy here > so I'm enclosing a bit more positive review from a local music list. > John Threadgould > > >>my impression of the concert was that it was like attending a dream. i > kept > floating in and out of being attentive/dreaming/waking/listening/hearing. > just > amazing. their use of their developed vocabulary has really become refined. > > i interviewed them collectively this morning (for an in-progress doc film > about > politicization in the avant-garde) and one of the things that keith rowe > spoke > of was that they have lately been moving from the "hotter" period of > abstraction in their music (a visual anologue would be "astract > expressionism" > for lack of a better word, but the sort of expression of individuals that > leads > to great emotional outpouring like pollock or rauschenburg - remember keith > is > a painter) into a newer "cooler" way of making improvised music which is > more > like, say rothko's color fields etc... > anyway. yeah. a good show.. > > ===== > MAGNETIC -- Jonathan Segel PO Box 460816 S.F. CA. 94146-0816 > magsatellite@yahoo.com <---> magnetic@sirius.com<< > - --part1_45.4dbd579.28067142_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/11/01 12:06:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
JonAbbey2@aol.com writes:


AMM live reports! more AMM live reports, please!

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

I saw AMM Sunday night at Mills College in Oakland with a couple of fellow
zornlisters.  It was in a big hall with great acoustics and was well
attended.  AMM played in very little light,only small lamps near each one.  
The music slowly unfolded  and was very quiet for the most part.  A lot of
it seemed driven by Rowe's electronics with Prevost and Tilbury adding
embellishments.  The stage was so elevated that you could just see Rowe
hunched over a table, not really what he was doing.  Very little seemed
like it was produced by strings however.  Tilbury's best moments seemed to
be when he was playing the inside of the piano.  At one point, in the
middle of a piece, he left the stage and went and played the piano in the
back room( with all the doors open for the sound to come out)  Prevost was
very engaging to watch.    Besides having a somewhat normal kit, he had a
huge bass drum laid flat upon which he did a lot of interesting cymbal
work.  The drum would greatly amplify everything he did.  He would slide
the cymbal across the drum in sweeping movements while he was bowing it and
at one point he had several cymbals spinning on the drum which made for
some very wavery sounds.  I'm glad I went to the show, found it worthwhile,
but it wasn't as interesting as the Rova fest or the Paraphrase show the
same weekend.  It seems more like a modern classical approach than a
jazz/noise improv approach.  A little dry.  I know I'm speaking heresy here
so I'm enclosing a bit more positive review from a local music list.
   John Threadgould

>>my impression of the concert was that it was like attending a dream. i
kept
floating in and out of being attentive/dreaming/waking/listening/hearing.
just
amazing. their use of their developed vocabulary has really become refined.

i interviewed them collectively this morning (for an in-progress doc film
about
politicization in the avant-garde) and one of the things that keith rowe
spoke
of was that they have lately been moving from the "hotter" period of
abstraction in their music (a visual anologue would be "astract
expressionism"
for lack of a better word, but the sort of expression of individuals that
leads
to great emotional outpouring like pollock or rauschenburg - remember keith
is
a painter) into a newer "cooler" way of making improvised music which is
more
like, say rothko's color fields etc...
anyway. yeah. a good show..

=====
MAGNETIC -- Jonathan Segel PO Box 460816 S.F. CA. 94146-0816
    magsatellite@yahoo.com <---> magnetic@sirius.com<<


- --part1_45.4dbd579.28067142_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:42:35 EDT From: DvdBelkin@aol.com Subject: Re: oboe Anybody mention Emmanuelle Somer? On her CD, "The Apple Tree" (Lyrae Records, 1998), she plays oboe and English horn. On some of the tracks, she's joined by that other noted jazz ax, viola de gamba (played by Jay Elfenbein); the lineup on those tracks also includes Chris Potter on bass clarinet and Jim Black on drums. David np: Morton Feldman, All Piano (John Tilbury) - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 01:48:26 -0400 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: drummer john hollenbeck John is an incredibly good drummer, one of New York's best-kept secrets. He can play literally anything, from big band swing to complete free improv. He's also a really, really strong composer. Don't know who he'll be playing with in yer hood, but yeah, you should catch the concert and then find out on Letterman who got voted off. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Wu-Tang Clan, "Little Ghetto Boys," 'Wu-Tang Forever' (Loud) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of mwoodwor Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 3:12 PM To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Subject: drummer john hollenbeck hey I've got a chance to go see a drummer who is currently an artist-in-residence at a university near here - John Hollenbeck i haven't heard of him - but he apparently plays with Cuong Vu, Chris Speed, Drew Gress, and other good players (and is featured on the Cuong Vu trio album Pure on KF). Can anyone let me know what he is like and if it is worth missing Survivor tomorrow night to go check it out (let's all pray Elizabeth doesn't get voted off) ha ha, nobody kill me. - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #376 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com