From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #387 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Tuesday, April 17 2001 Volume 03 : Number 387 In this issue: - Re: Guilty Choices Guilty Choices Re: Guilty Choices Re: satoko/tatsuya Re: Guilty Choices Guilty Feldman MELVINS, EARTH Re: MELVINS Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #386 Re: Guilty Choices Reissue? (no Zorn content) Re: Guilty Choices RE: Guilty Choices composition, no zorn Re: composition, no zorn [no zorn] guilty crimson ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:24:46 EDT From: JanZorn@aol.com Subject: Re: Guilty Choices - --part1_4c.13d2c225.280de46e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/17/01 10:08:09 AM Central Daylight Time, efrendv@yahoo.es writes: > after this, I'll probably unsubscribe... thought I was > so cool... If you must unsub, then so will I....if we aren't allowed here anymore, we'll just start our own list, for the quasi-cool....lol! :) Jan - --part1_4c.13d2c225.280de46e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/17/01 10:08:09 AM Central Daylight Time,
efrendv@yahoo.es writes:


after this, I'll probably unsubscribe... thought I was
so cool...
If you must unsub, then so will I....if we aren't allowed here anymore, we'll
just start our own list, for the quasi-cool....lol! :)
Jan - --part1_4c.13d2c225.280de46e_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: 17 Apr 2001 11:32:56 -0700 From: cizon@transport.com Subject: Guilty Choices I am not ashamed, just slightly embarrassed. I'm a sucker for the Hit Parade, and consequently own all six volumes of the "Now That's What I Call Music!" series. That's not to say I like every song on every disc (my average is appx. 40-60% enjoyment per CD), but it's a great way to get my Timbaland on. Besides, you can get 'em for, usually, $5 a pop on Half.com. Other items that draw grimaces from friends include: Third Eye Blind - s/t Saturday Night Fever soundtrack Blur - Greatest Hits Oasis - What's the Story Morning Glory? Randy Newman Van Morrison Pearl Jam - Vs., Vitalogy Paul Simon - s/t, Graceland Simon & Garfunkel - Bookends, Bridge Over Troubled Water U2 - Achtung Baby Dwight Yoakam - Greatest Hits 80s & 90s I used to get a lot of grief for my love of Bruce Springsteen, but his cachet seems to be on the up these days as my so-called friends jump on the "Nebraska-as-classic-album" bandwagon. Murray - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:32:48 EDT From: JanZorn@aol.com Subject: Re: Guilty Choices - --part1_9.1415782f.280de650_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/17/01 10:09:28 AM Central Daylight Time, Samerivertwice@aol.com writes: > Metallica's first three albums > Motorhead up to Another Perfect Day > The Eagles' "I Can't Tell You Why" (which is the lowest of the low, I know, > but it reminds me of my first girlfriend) > Van Halen 1 > Southern rock (Skynyrd, Allmans, Outlaws, Blackfoot) > Queen (up to about "The Game") > Uli Jon Roth era Scorpions > early 80s power/death/speed metal in general > When I was eleven I owned a Journey album and I still remember all of Neil > Schon's guitar solos. > > I think I own most of those you just mentioned. I'm not ashamed, Skynyrd did some good stuff, especially when the piano parts are smokin'....same is true for Allman, screw the lyrics for the most part, if there is a drop of talent in the music that is carrying it, then I can appreciate it. Queen were an incredible group on many levels...they were innovators. Anyone who can pull of a daring, original mix of music deserves respect. Metallica....they are just great because they've stayed true to themselves and proven to be leaders instead of followers in the genre. And the Eagles....except for some of the most recent stuff, and the solo stints, they are cool as well. I saw them live at a small venue in Tupelo, MS a few years ago. Great show. These days, any show that doesn't involve a bunch of screaming teenagers, I can't deal with. I'm getting old, but what the hell, I've always been an old soul I guess. Jan - --part1_9.1415782f.280de650_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/17/01 10:09:28 AM Central Daylight Time,
Samerivertwice@aol.com writes:


Metallica's first three albums
Motorhead up to Another Perfect Day
The Eagles' "I Can't Tell You Why" (which is the lowest of the low, I know,
but it reminds me of my first girlfriend)
Van Halen 1
Southern rock (Skynyrd, Allmans, Outlaws, Blackfoot)
Queen (up to about "The Game")
Uli Jon Roth era Scorpions
early 80s power/death/speed metal in general
When I was eleven I owned a Journey album and I still remember all of Neil
Schon's guitar solos.



I think I own most of those you just mentioned. I'm not ashamed, Skynyrd did
some good stuff, especially when the piano parts are smokin'....same is true
for Allman, screw the lyrics for the most part, if there is a drop of talent
in the music that is carrying it, then I can appreciate it. Queen were an
incredible group on many levels...they were innovators. Anyone who can pull
of a daring, original mix of music deserves respect. Metallica....they are
just great because they've stayed true to themselves and proven to be leaders
instead of followers in the genre. And the Eagles....except for some of the
most recent stuff, and the solo stints, they are cool as well. I saw them
live at a small venue in Tupelo, MS a few years ago. Great show. These days,
any show that doesn't involve a bunch of screaming teenagers, I can't deal
with. I'm getting old, but what the hell, I've always been an old soul I
guess.
Jan - --part1_9.1415782f.280de650_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:38:01 -0000 From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: satoko/tatsuya >who heard about the fuji/yoshida duo? what'd you hear? not much, but at least it's not a duo, it's a quartet. Yoshidas concert list has mentioned several performances, also they are playing in europe pretty soon. Still puzzled, and hoping somebody has actually heard this group and could comment further. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:02:06 EDT From: Nudeants@aol.com Subject: Re: Guilty Choices OK, here goes... BILLY JOEL I also like early Elton John. I love Jeff Buckley, which doesn't really count as a guilty pleasure as far as I'm concerned, but would probably count as such to some people here. I totally also dig Michael McDonald-era Doobie Brothers, as Skip mentioned. Thats all I can think of at the moment. - -matt mitchell - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:06:11 -0700 From: "z~S" Subject: Guilty >>>Other items that draw grimaces from friends include: Saturday Night Fever soundtrack Murray<<< - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:30:26 EDT From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Feldman Anyone know where I might find a healthy selection of Feldman's available (and out of print) discs? Furthermore, can anyone recommend his best recordings? So far I have the Kronos Quartet's "Piano and String Quartets" recording, the complete Philip Guston, and Samuel Beckett. Is "The Ecstacy of the Moment" worth buying? Thanks, Tom P.S. Another guilty pleasure: Will Smith's "Wild Wild West" Oh God. I can't believe I admitted that. ______________________________________________________________________ Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately, and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music." - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:36:15 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?MJ=20Gillham?= Subject: MELVINS, EARTH Apparently, in an interview, JZ said that 'Leng T'che' was partly inspired by MELVINS' 'Lysol' LP. For me, it is one of their best, but I recommend most, if not all MELVINS. I certainly recommend the above anyway. It is not easy to recommend specific MELVINS titles! I also recommend EARTH 'Extra-Capsular Extraction' and 'Earth 2'. You'll see why... ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:39:30 -0000 From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: MELVINS >Apparently, in an interview, JZ said that 'Leng T'che' >was partly inspired by MELVINS' 'Lysol' LP. I love "Leng Tch'e" but have found the Melvins stuff I have heard to be quite bad and rather unlike "Leng Th'e", but I have only heard their recent Ipecac releases. So........................ how similar is "Lysol" and "Leng Tch'e"????? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:40:44 -0400 From: Christopher eaton Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #386 hmmm . . . some guilty choices: - -i'll have to second the beach boys note - -paul simon - -the violent femmes (mmm . . . male teen angst) - -ween (a little too silly for many zornsters?) - -i confess to some of stevie wonder's ballads (NOT the later ones) (i don't feel guilty about the shake-yer-booty funk grooves though) ~christopher - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:17:04 -0500 (CDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?A?= Subject: Re: Guilty Choices Toto!!! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Obtenga su dirección de correo-e gratis @yahoo.com en http://correo.espanol.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:29:08 EDT From: DvdBelkin@aol.com Subject: Reissue? (no Zorn content) So Herbie Nichol's splendiferous Bethlehem album, "Love, Gloom, Cash, Love" has just been reissued (again). Sticker on the front says "digitally remastered from original master tapes." But is it actually materially different (and better) than the last CD release back in '94? How does one find out these things? I don't even know who to ask. Source of frequent frustration... David - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:49:12 +0000 From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: Guilty Choices on 01.04.17 9:17 PM, A at Enfermo@rocketmail.com wrote: > Toto!!! And toto too!?!? I'm never speaking to any of you people again... Going to go mope and listen to Andy Williams do Moon River over and over again. RL - -- - ---------- Sessionographies: CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies: COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; THREADGILL; WORKMAN. Also: --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops --LOVETORN--HARD BOIL-- ETC., all at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/LUCILLE.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:03:45 -0400 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Guilty Choices "Guilty pleasures" would seem to imply that there is indeed guilt involved. In my case, I'm certainly not copping to much. Nor do I think we need to, given that we are here on a list dedicated to an artist whose catholic taste and willful perversity are legendary. Certainly I can't see any reason for embarassment over the likes of Michael Jackson (though I prefer Janet), the Cure, the Smiths, or any death metal whatsoever. (Though really, Joseph, if you weren't a singer, I don't know if I could let you get away with 'Bat Out of Hell.') Nevertheless, for your amusement and edification, my more... erm... unusual affections: The Bangles - forget "Eternal Flame," think of those gorgeous three and four part harmonies and retro guitar riffs. Think of "Different Light" and "Hero Takes a Fall" and the cover of "Hazy Shade of Winter." Think of the tender version of "If She Knew What She Wants." (Hell, don't forget "Eternal Flame.") Mandy Barnett - torch song redux, a la Patsy Cline. Qualifies perhaps as "guilty" even though Patsy doesn't (since Patsy's deceased and the original). k.d. lang's 'Shadowland' would also qualify, if I hadn't purged it years ago. Imani Coppola - ditzy little multi-culti trip-hop rapper/singer and violin scraper, not afraid to talk about wanting to be a cowgirl or a tree or picking a big ol' booger. E/The Eels - perfectly crafted gems of pure pop - the music would make Brian Wilson proud; the lyrics would send him spiralling back to Dr. Landy. (Gee, that's insensitive of me.) Electric Light Orchestra - the tasteless man's Beatles. I like their own version of "Xanadu" better than the one they did with Olivia Newton-John. Fairground Attraction/Eddi Reader - anyone who's paid any attention to my NPs and desert island lists already knows of my abiding passion for this Scottish thrush and her defunct early acoustic swing combo. Garbage - power pop as finely tuned as an Indie 500 race car, and just as sleek. (Plus I love to watch my girlfriend bounce around to this.) Gordon Haskell - boyhood friend of Robert Fripp and singer of King Crimson for a couple of weeks, this somewhat mawkish singer/songwriter is closer to Gordon Lightfoot than I care to admit. And he covers a tune by - gad - Michael Franks on one of his albums, for which I paid $30 at Other Music, of all places. Having to cough up import bucks to own these is more embarassing than merely owning them. (See also: McDonald and Giles.) Kansas - anything up to and including 'Point of Know Return,' or maybe even 'Monolith.' My copy of the more recent but completely retro 'Live at the Whisky' is autographed by all of the members, even the Johnny-come-lately ringers. King Crimson - yes, I know there are enough fellow Crimfans out there that I needn't feel guilty. But my unalloyed passion for the '71-'72 version of the band - you know, the one just prior to "the good one" - merits some derision, even in light of its ongoing reassessment and rehabilitation. KISS - My original heroes and inspiration. I no longer own a single record by them. I don't need to. I know every note of the canon, from 'Kiss' to 'Love Gun,' by heart. (Not to mention 'Dynasty,' 'Unmasked' and 'Music from "The Elder,"' somewhat less fortunately.) I *AM* going to convince Zorn to do 'Great Jewish Music: Stanley Eisen & Chaim Witz,' you wait and see. Lerner & Lowe - 'Gigi' is to die for, even if the dishy Leslie Caron didn't sing her own songs... (And she's still dishy as an old lady, as anyone who saw 'Chocolat' can confirm.) Andrew Lloyd-Webber - 'Starlight Express' is a neglected masterpiece, the likes of which... nah, I'm just fucking with you here. Madonna - "Live to Tell" and "Crazy for You" are, respectively, a perfect power ballad and a perfect love song. The rest is just dumb disposable fun that I can't seem to dispose of. I have no use for most of the recent electronica flirtations, but that retro song from the second Austin Powers movie was pretty damned fine, whatever the hell it was called. "Beautiful Stranger," maybe? Steve Miller Band - "big ol' jet airliner / don't carry me too far away"... yeah, and I can still hear "Fly Like an Eagle" without thinking of the post office. Surest sign of my age. Michael Penn - more pure guitar jangle pop for yuppies. Owning the first album is warranted; owning all four is a bit more embarassing. Stephen Sondheim - yeah, I know, the early stuff is all classic. But I retain a perverse affection for 'Into the Woods' and even 'Assassins,' the runt of the litter. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Graham Fitkin, "Bed," 'Ironic' (GFR) - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:00:47 EDT From: ObviousEye@aol.com Subject: composition, no zorn This might be a question best suited for a list with a different title, but i know there are some composers on the list who could answer. so, here it is: could someone here provide me with a list of books that a composer would deem important to an understanding of both classical and modern composition? the books i am looking for need not be under any specific banner, or only dealing with modern creative music. i am just interested in what people assume to be THE most essential books on composition/theory/harmony etc. if this will clutter the list, send the reply privately. thanks, ben - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:06:15 -0700 From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: composition, no zorn > This might be a question best suited for a list with a different title, but i > know there are some composers on the list who could answer. > so, here it is: could someone here provide me with a list of books that a > composer would deem important to an understanding of both classical and > modern composition? > the books i am looking for need not be under any specific banner, or only > dealing with modern creative music. i am just interested in what people > assume to be THE most essential books on composition/theory/harmony etc. > > if this will clutter the list, send the reply privately. > > thanks, > ben > > - > Fux Theory & Counterpoint is the book Bach studied and is still in print. Great book. skip h - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:11:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Albrecht Koschnik Subject: [no zorn] guilty crimson Since King Crimson came up as one of the guilty pleasures (touch standards indeed!), let me ask all the closet Crimson fans: Recently I picked up "Epitaph," a 2CD collection of 1969 live recordings of the first line-up, and I find parts of this more exciting than any of the studio Crimson I know. There are quite a few other live cds available, from Discipline Global Mobile, from what seems to be a new Crimson cd club, expensive Japan imports, and so on. Also a pricy 4CD box, The Great Deceiver. Do you have any recommendations, or comments? I am especially interested in what you think of releases involving the line-up with Lol Coxhill and Michael Wallace. Thanks, Albrecht - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #387 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com