From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #394 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Friday, April 20 2001 Volume 03 : Number 394 In this issue: - Re: new John Oswald RE: new John Oswald Re: S=?ISO-8859-1?B?8w==?=nar Festival 2001 Re: Guilty Choices Re: Distances driven to concerts Company @ Tonic Re: Company @ Tonic Re: composition, no zorn =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20S=F3nar=20Festival=202001?= Odp: Guilty Choices =?iso-8859-1?Q?Odp:_S=F3nar_Festival_2001?= Re: Odp: Sónar Festival 2001 Vancouver/Victoria new & experimental music list Re: Odp: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F3nar?= Festival 2001 RE: new John Oswald Seeland/Deconstructing Beck Re: Seeland/Deconstructing Beck Re: Seeland/Deconstructing Beck Re: Seeland/Deconstructing Beck Re: Seeland/Deconstructing Beck Upcoming Tzadik releases FESTIVAL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:21:52 -0700 From: Greg Mills Subject: Re: new John Oswald You can supposedly pre-order it on Amazon ( it's listed as "69 Plunderphonics 96") for $23.72. They don't list a release date. Fishy, that. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:26:58 -0400 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: new John Oswald Thanks for the tip. You can find out how to order the box here: http://www.negativland.com/nmol/seeland.html It's going for $33.33 U.S., $36.36 Canada, and $39.39 in the rest of the world. Gotta order that sucker quick... my cassette dub of 'Plunderphonics' is gonna wear out sooner or later... After reading Oswald's statement and seeing this drastically lower price, anyone get the feeling this "authorized theft" from "Fony" records might have been a little more than just authorized? ;-) Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - New York Contemporary Five, "Where Poppies Bloom," 'Bill Dixon/Archie Shepp' (Savoy) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Scott Handley - --- wlt4@mindspring.com wrote: > After hearing about the impending release of > Oswald's "Plunderphonic 69/96" it has now shown up > on the new WFMU playlist. However, I can't find it > listed in the usual mailorder sources. Anybody know > when it might turn up and more importantly how much > it'll cost? I'm not sure what good it does one to have one's work "stolen" in complicity, except perhaps Seeland's lawyers are top-notch. This came through a while back on the plunderphonics group (a yahoogroup, for those interested). It's actually great news, though it doesn't really answer Lang's question. Maybe try Seeland mail order? - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:29:51 +0200 From: Jeroen de Boer Subject: Re: S=?ISO-8859-1?B?8w==?=nar Festival 2001 Hi all, At this year's Holland Festival (http://www.hollandfestival.nl/), Sonic Youth will give a concert with their Goodbye 20th Century repertoire. Jeroen > More than worthwhile: Sonic Youth; Terry Riley - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeroen de Boer content director Cyberslag Content Providing Damsterdiep 15 9711SG Groningen The Netherlands t +31(0)503115496 m +31 (0)624814506 f +31(0)503632209 jeroen@cyberslag.com www.cyberslag.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 19:13:49 -0400 From: "Nirav Soni" Subject: Re: Guilty Choices > If I still owned anything by the Thompson Twins - and I do consider it from > time to time - then it would definitely qualify as a guilty pleasure. Same > with Culture Club (who I didn't have to drive nearly as far to see live). Yes!!! I *loved* Culture Club (and still do in fact.) I used to run around the house with a scarf on my head singing "Karma Chameleon" (sp. for sure.) I found the lp a few years ago at a record sale and it frequents my record player more often then I admit. I *so* wanted to be Boy George when I was younger. I still do, but w/out all the coke. I'm also a not-so-devoted G'n'R fan. Nirav - -- AIM: Icefactory37 OnNow- Coil- Black Light District (1000 Lights in a Darkned Room) "Undocumented recollections are rarely disappointing." -Derek Bailey - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 19:42:05 -0400 (EDT) From: konrad Subject: Re: Distances driven to concerts Almost willing to hop a flight from SF to NYC to see Bloedow/Charles (Elysian Fields) tonight at Makor. They'll probably never play here. konrad ^Z - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:20:41 EDT From: OnionPalac@aol.com Subject: Company @ Tonic - --part1_d8.515d162.2810dad9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any word on this? Thanks. 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- --part1_d8.515d162.2810dad9_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:29:33 -0400 From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Re: Company @ Tonic Well, not quite "Company" but I did catch IST the other night--Simon Fell (bass), Mark Wastell (cello) and Rhodri Davies (harp) and they are one pretty amazing group. All the pieces played were, I believe, improvisations. I don't want to get too much into their technical doings at the expense of their fine overall conception, but....just when you think you've seen every possible extended technique someone like Wastell comes along and with the fingers of his left hand pressed hard into the strings, he bows his own damn fingers! Ouch! All three exhibited awe-inspiring technical range, great listening abilities and a real nice sense of compositional structure. Davies (using a smaller, borrowed harp - --couldn't get his regular ax into the country) is all over the place on the instrument, using bows, mallets, styrofoam eggs, corks, tambourines and much more. Fell, who also on occasion would use his head and ear as a damper on the strings, has a deep, rich tone and an unerring sense of direction in the improvs, cutting things short when they felt too comfortable and prolonging stretches the listener thought, wrongly, void of further riches. Wonderful show Bailey opened the evening in duo with tap dancer Will Gaines. It was OK, maybe a bit hokey. Gaines, actually older than Bailey, is an able dancer and, while it was clear that his affinities lay with straighter jazz, seemed to genuinely enjoy "bantering" with Bailey. The highlights were when Gaines would attmept to sit out for a while and Bailey would begin playing straightahead jazz chords to lure him back onto the floor--only, of course, to revert to his normal mode once he had succeeded. Brian Olewnick NP: Jerome Cooper - Outer and Interactions - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 19:29:28 -0600 (MDT) From: Matt Plummer Subject: Re: composition, no zorn This doesn't exactly answer your question... but I would highly recommend HARMONIC EXPERIENCE by W.A. Mathieu. it isn't specifically about composition, but is an incredibly thorough book which deals with listening experience as it relates to different types of harmony/temperments/musical systems. It is the most impressive book that i've ever seen on that subject, because of its approach and its depth. it can lead you to hear completely new things in music... and therefore would be helpful for composition. Matt Plummer Coalition for Creative Music On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 ObviousEye@aol.com wrote: > This might be a question best suited for a list with a different title, but i > know there are some composers on the list who could answer. > so, here it is: could someone here provide me with a list of books that a > composer would deem important to an understanding of both classical and > modern composition? > the books i am looking for need not be under any specific banner, or only > dealing with modern creative music. i am just interested in what people > assume to be THE most essential books on composition/theory/harmony etc. > > if this will clutter the list, send the reply privately. > > thanks, > ben > > - > - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 22:51:05 EDT From: PaanKu@aol.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20S=F3nar=20Festival=202001?= amon tobin aka cujo? mr "what if dance hall drum n bass followed jazz improvisational, formulaic and instrumentational laws?" ive heard good stuff about him what else do we know? - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:54:39 +0200 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: Guilty Choices I'll put something quite rare, but really strong ;-) - John Lord's solo albums. I do not listen to them anymore, but in my teens I used to see 'Sarabande' as Beauty and 'windows' as Adventure. Marcin Gokieli marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:50:04 +0200 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Odp:_S=F3nar_Festival_2001?= From: > amon tobin aka cujo? mr "what if dance hall drum n bass followed jazz > improvisational, formulaic and instrumentational laws?" > ive heard good stuff about him A friend of mine is a big d'n'b fan, and he plays me those things quite often. I can't say for sure which one of them Amon Tobim was, but I'm pretty sure that he was one of those by whom I was most impressed. Marcin Gokieli - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:31:12 +0200 From: Theus Subject: Re: Odp: Sónar Festival 2001 amon tobin: usually he is just dj-ing, mostly playing his own records and other ninja tune stuff. some of his records are excellent, but what 's the point playing your own records for an eager audience and call it a live show? so: does anyone know if he really plays his stuff 'live' sometimes? and: will he do so at Sonar? Theus - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:34:17 -0700 (PDT) From: fred fred Subject: Vancouver/Victoria new & experimental music list * The oscillations monthly calendar is a comprehensive calendar covering new music and sonic art events in the Vancouver and Victoria area. It is compiled by Jordan Nobles, sponsored by Vancouver New Music (www.newmusic.org) and is released monthly through the Vancouver Contemporary Music Email List. If you wish to be added to this email list just visit the online version of the oscillations calendar, hosted by earsay productions, at http://earsay.com/Pages/resources/calendar.html and subscribe with the link there. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:38:09 -0700 From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Odp: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F3nar?= Festival 2001 At 11:50 AM 4/20/01, Marcin Gokieli wrote: >From: > >> amon tobin aka cujo? mr "what if dance hall drum n bass followed >jazz >> improvisational, formulaic and instrumentational laws?" >> ive heard good stuff about him > >A friend of mine is a big d'n'b fan, and he plays me those things >quite often. I can't say for sure which one of them Amon Tobim was, >but I'm pretty sure that he was one of those by whom I was most >impressed. >Marcin Gokieli > All of Tobin's solo discs (I believe he has 3) plus the disc he did under the name Cujo are extremely worthwhile. I know a few jazz drummers that I've tried to get interested in drum 'n bass, and Tobin is the only artist that regularly makes them take notice. However, I believe the original poster was taking about a live performance. I saw Tobin DJ-ing a few years back, and it was pretty thoroughly underwhelming. Hopefully, he's gotten better. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub ____________________________________________ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:01:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Handley Subject: RE: new John Oswald - --- s.HANDLEY : > I'm not sure what good it does one to have one's > work > "stolen" in complicity, except perhaps Seeland's > lawyers are top-notch. - --- Steve Smith wrote: > After reading Oswald's statement and seeing this > drastically lower price, > anyone get the feeling this "authorized theft" from > "Fony" records might > have been a little more than just authorized? ;-) Certainly, schizo-marketing at its most subversive. BUT....any constraints applied to Oswald's (self) publication of the PLUNDERPHONICS materials would also apply to Seeland, no? Doesn't this clever move just shift the liability to Seeland, thereby endangering all its operations? (As opposed to Oswald, who as far as I can tell, releases hardly anything?) Of course, I'm thrilled that's unfolding this way; but I'm curious how this "theft" would help. I could see Oswald being entitled to sue over his stolen intellectual property, then collecting a large settlement, then Seeland beginning to receive large checks from an "anonymous" donor. How rich! Mise en abyme! - ----s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:13:07 -0700 (PDT) From: HirakeMike Subject: Seeland/Deconstructing Beck I was just browsing the Seeland site and came across the cd "Deconstructing Beck". After reading a few articles about it, it's been mentioned that this cd is "impossible to find", "no record stores would want to carry it"...Though contrary to these facts, I stared at this cd for a few minutes, wondering what it was, at my local Borders store. That was a few months ago so I don't know if its still there...Anyone heard this?? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:17:51 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Seeland/Deconstructing Beck On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:13:07 -0700 (PDT) HirakeMike wrote: > > I was just browsing the Seeland site and came across > the cd "Deconstructing Beck". After reading a few > articles about it, it's been mentioned that this cd is > "impossible to find", "no record stores would want to > carry it"...Though contrary to these facts, I stared > at this cd for a few minutes, wondering what it was, > at my local Borders store. That was a few months ago > so I don't know if its still there...Anyone heard this?? I have seen also the records in many stores. The "impossible to find" is just wishful thinking. Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:26:00 -0400 From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Seeland/Deconstructing Beck >"no record stores would want to carry it"... The key word is probably "want" though obviously some stores do, most would not. I've seen this sold on eBay a few times with big notices about how it was suppressed by Beck (not true) and withdrawn from sale (not true either). But then many eBay sellers can have a dubious relationship with truth. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:47:41 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Seeland/Deconstructing Beck FWIW, although I haven't listened to it in years, I recall Deconstructing Beck as being much more interesting in concept than reality. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 17:30:35 -0400 (EDT) From: konrad Subject: Re: Seeland/Deconstructing Beck On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > FWIW, although I haven't listened to it in years, I recall Deconstructing > Beck as being much more interesting in concept than reality. > That seems to be how the Geffen attorneys felt also. The rtmark pages show an interesting story of how this appeared to have been a dud of a provocation, with letters back and forth from attorney's and advisors and the Illegal Arts/Negativland people. konrad ^Z - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 23:19:12 -0400 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: Upcoming Tzadik releases Hi, Gang: In my incredibly long, tedious and self-induglent review of night one of Company in New York (which for some reason, perhaps gratefully, hasn't been forwarded by the server), I mentioned that I'd picked up a new Tzadik catalog and would mention the new upcoming releases mentioned therein. No additional information was given for any of these but the very last one, just a list of names on the back cover. The last one, however, appeared with cover art and a blurb in the regular section of the catalog. Here goes... Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - King Crimson, "In the Court of the Crimson King," 'The Court of the Crimson King' (Virgin) COMPOSER SERIES Gordon Mumma Christian Wolff Alvin Singleton Peter Garland John Zorn RADICAL JEWISH CULTURE Sephardic Tinge Roberto Rodriguez Jewlia Eisenberg Andy Statman Jenny Scheinman NEW JAPAN Yuka Honda Hikashu Otomo Yoshihide Tamura Aki Fushitsusha Yamamoto Atsunori ARCHIVAL SERIES Cobra Bosch/Beuys Filmworks X ORACLES Xtatica Rebecca Moore Carla Kihlstedt Ikue Mori Susie Ibarra KEY SERIES Fred Frith: Clearing (Tzadik 7605) Fred Frith is one of the world's greatest originals on the guitar, a composer/performer who has been straddling the boundaries of rock, folk, classical and improvisation since the early '70s. 'Clearing' is his first solo guitar recording in over twenty years (since his classic 'Live in Japan' of 1981), and his first solo studio recording since his groundbreaking 'Guitar Solos' of 1974. Of the three existing solo recordings by this quirky musical master, 'Clearing' is undoubtedly the most dynamic, the most direct and sonically the best recorded. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 23:30:57 -0400 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: FESTIVAL Hi again, gang: Got this message earlier today from Matrin Davidson at Emanem. Looks to be a great festival, with highlights including the London Improvisers Orchestra, Evan Parker & John Tilbury, and much more. Best of all, as you can see, there's a BBC webcast involved, which will be available for the next year if I remember correctly. Check it out. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - King Crimson, "Cadence and Cascade," 'In the Wake of Poseidon' (Virgin) - -----Original Message----- From: EmanemDisc@aol.com [mailto:EmanemDisc@aol.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 2:07 PM For exciting festival news see http://www.emanemdisc.com/festival.html Even if you can't get to London, you'll be able to hear and see most of it on the web. Hope to see you there Martin Davidson - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #394 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". 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