From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #400 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Monday, April 30 2001 Volume 03 : Number 400 In this issue: - Re: Indonesian literature (no JZ) concert travel stories Re: r davis + Q abt swt basil re: amm availability Howard Skempton Re: Howard Skempton Re: Howard Skempton rene lussier Miles Re: René Lussier Re: Miles RE: Miles Re: Miles Eugene Chadbourne Radio (sic) Re: Miles Re: Miles Jackie McLean, Glenn Horiuchi articles RE: Miles Re: Miles RE: Miles Tippet's Blueprint Re[2]: Miles Some May Tzadik Descriptions ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 08:55:13 -0400 From: Gamantyo Hendrantoro Subject: Re: Indonesian literature (no JZ) > From: "circumlocutionist" > Subject: Re: Indonesian literature (no JZ) > > but Pramoedya's > works are banned in Indonesia! I don't currently live in Indonesia, but AFAIK with the fall of Suharto's regime, the ban has been subsequently removed. Regards, Gamantyo - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 08:22:28 -0700 From: "Martin Wisckol" Subject: concert travel stories periodically, i forward a post from my longtime companero Michael J. Williams, who subscribes to the zornlist but for some reason can post himself. i think you'll agree that these stories, reviving a recent thread, merit the effort of forwarding many times over: Circa 1975, I drove from Cincinnati to Bloomington, Indiana in the immediate aftermath of a blizzard in a beat-up Karmann Ghia with dead windshield wipers, no heat and a dead battery to see Dizzy at the Bluebird Cafe. I'd leave the Ghia running in the parking lots of fast-food joints to warm up and get coffee. Diz was caught up in a snowstorm in Indianapolis and didn't arrive at the gig until about midnight, but he was in a great mood and blew his ass off. Micky Roker on drums, I can't remember the name of the guitar player, a European guy I think, and I can't envision the bass player at all. There were absolutely no hills in the Indiana University visitors parking lot and the Ghia was iced in, but fortunately IU student and friend, Shaky Dave Flege, had some jumper cables. Last time I saw him. Heard he gave up playing the fender bass and partying for a slide rule and a family. Another time, I hitchhiked from Reno, Nevada to Concord, Calif. for the Concord Jazz Festival's guitar explosion night with a cast of wizards including Cincy legend Cal Collins. Cal tore it up but I drank too much vodka and wound up in Daly City, having lost my backpack I know not where. Had to wash dishes in the Guadalara Restaurant when I discovered I had just two dollars left and kept it for an emergency, Caught a few hours of cold sleep on an upstairs apartment building landing. My ride luck that had been with me on the way to Concord ran out: First ride was a heavily tattooed, bearded ex-con from Martinez with a 16-year old pregnant wife and a bad radiator that required him to pull over to the side of the road every 20 miles and refill with water. He dropped me off on a remote off ramp to I-80 near Vacaville, where he was going to visit a buddy in the state pen. I thought I was doomed for eternity, but an old farmer guy got me to Auburn, where he bought me a cup of coffee, but the next ride was a demented, obese, antique (junk) dealer in a rickety station wagon with travel stickers all over it who arrived at the conclusion that I was his long lost love sent by whatever divine entity he worshipped After convincing him that I was insane with the old, I love listening to white noise on the radio trick, I jumped ship somewhere in the mountains when he pulled off onto a rural highway into the wilderness, saying that he had to pick up his pet dachsund. By this time I had sworn off hitchhiking and drinking forever. As I began sprinting down the shoulder of I-80, a pick-up pulled over and I hopped into find an Indian, probably Paiute, hippy, long hair down to his ass, in the driver's seat toking on a joint and a cooler completely filled with ice-cold Coors on the front seat. He took off careening around mountainsides at 95 MPH, alternating sucks of reefer and beer with heavy metal screaming over the radio. I decided I would have a beer after all. But I got back to Reno in time to clean up and make my gig on the graveyard shift at John Ascuaga's Nugget down the road in Sparks. Michael J. Williams - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 18:40:21 EDT From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: Re: r davis + Q abt swt basil In a message dated 4/28/01 8:36:22 AM, you wrote: << more info can be had from his homepage: http://www.globaldialog.com/~rdavis/ >> let's not forget the really important work of r davis, laura nyro's 'christmas and the beads of sweat' and van's 'astral weeks' i had the mixed delight of seeing him only once live, at sweet basil 9which i now call deadly nightshade) because i was entranced during that incredible performance and the night manager assaulted me for not leaving quickly enough between sets as we finished our intermission coffee. this was over a decade ago, and i think it (the music) was released on swt basil records. i havent been back since (the police said since i wasnt hurt, all i could do was cite him for a mediation. i declined and just never spent a dime there siince.) anyone know how/who it's run these days? i still cringe when i walk by, on my way to fun evil deeds. regards steve koenig n.p. paulina rubio: "paulina" - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 18:42:49 EDT From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: re: amm availability In a message dated 4/28/01 8:36:22 AM, you wrote: <> hi jesse its saturday 6pm and i just phones the knit and they said theres easy tix for tonight. im bring the extended familee and needed to be sure. assume the same for sunday. not sure if it matters that i asked only re the 10pm show steve koenig - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 03:30:25 -0000 From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Howard Skempton Anyone care to comment on 'Well, Well Cornelius', a collection of Skempton's piano music on Sony, played by John Tilbury? I understand he was a student of Cardew and also a member of the Scratch Orchestra. I have heard a number of conflicting descriptions of this CD... np: Akos Rozmann: Two, with Three Instruments _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 14:30:18 +0800 From: numbats@iinet.net.au Subject: Re: Howard Skempton Hi, I bought it a while back and have enjoyed it. What comes to mind - Mompou, Satie, folk song, English memories ( I lived there for 34 years). It comes from Cardew's "roots" period maybe? regards, Billy >Anyone care to comment on 'Well, Well Cornelius', a collection of Skempton's >piano music on Sony, played by John Tilbury? I understand he was a student >of Cardew and also a member of the Scratch Orchestra. I have heard a number >of conflicting descriptions of this CD... > >np: Akos Rozmann: Two, with Three Instruments >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > >- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 07:30:09 -0400 From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Re: Howard Skempton thomas chatterton wrote: > > Anyone care to comment on 'Well, Well Cornelius', a collection of Skempton's > piano music on Sony, played by John Tilbury? I understand he was a student > of Cardew and also a member of the Scratch Orchestra. I have heard a number > of conflicting descriptions of this CD... I love this disc. Some of the most beautiful Satie-esque melodies you'll ever hear, with apreciative nods toward composers like Cardew and Rzewski. I can see people being put off by his "simplicity", but I get the feeling they'd say the same about Satie. It's also the best I've heard of Skempton's discs, though there's one with piece for solo accordion I haven't been able to locate. Brian Olewnick - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 17:55:29 -0400 From: Matt Teichman Subject: rene lussier I just heard this album, Le Tresor de la Langue, by a guitarist named Rene Lussier. Wild stuff!! Music based on speech intonations? What a brilliant idea. Who is this guy?? I read he worked with Fred Frith, which might explain why the album sounds a bit zorny. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:32:48 -0400 From: "&c." Subject: Miles I pick up a copy of Miles' autobiography. I didn't realize what an asshole he could be. He hated Dolphy's playing and Coltrane's late period, but was enamored with Prince. I like Prince, but... I was amused by him calling Archie Shepp a "no-playing mofo" Zach np: John Coltrane - Complete Live at the Village Vanguard - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:47:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: René Lussier FYI: Lussier is a Quebecois guitarist associated with the free improvisers in Montreal who are grouped around the Ambiance Magnetique record label. He has many other discs on AM plus Victo and other labels, especially with his close playing partner saxophonist Jean Derome.He has performed extensively in Canada and Europe, but not the U.S. AFAIK. Also while you may see "Music based on speech intonations" as "Wild stuff". For independantists like Lussier, concern about the French language's survival in a North American sea of English speakers is a political as well as a cultutral concept. Ken Waxman - --- Matt Teichman wrote: > I just heard this album, Le Tresor de la Langue, by > a guitarist named Rene > Lussier. Wild stuff!! Music based on speech > intonations? What a > brilliant idea. Who is this guy?? I read he worked > with Fred Frith, which > might explain why the album sounds a bit zorny. > > > - > _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 16:08:19 -0700 From: "z~S" Subject: Re: Miles >>>I didn't realize what an asshole he could be.<<< I figure an accurate biography on anyone would include a fair amount of assholery. Just be thankful you're not famous. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:16:45 -0600 From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" Subject: RE: Miles >He hated Dolphy's playing and Coltrane's late period, but >was enamored with Prince. he also hated Ornette's violin playing Matt Wirzbicki - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:15:43 EDT From: Nudeants@aol.com Subject: Re: Miles In a message dated 4/29/01 8:19:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, M_WIRZBICKI@ColoradoCollege.edu writes: << he also hated Ornette's violin playing >> To be fair, I think he tolerated the violin playing, explaining it in the sense that he could understand O. 'going for a sound,' or something like that. It was O.'s TRUMPET playing that he hated, saying that it was 'disrespectful to trumpet players,' or something similar to that. Its been a while since I've read that bio, so I don't remember the exact quotes (obviously). I've heard through the grapevine that a number of things in that book are to be taken with a grain of salt. Exactly what things, I don't know. - -matt mitchell - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:49:19 From: "William York" Subject: Eugene Chadbourne Radio (sic) I haven't listened yet b/c my computer at home doesn't have a good enough connection, but anyway I though I'd send this before I forget... "A short note to our listeners: Radio Chadula is a new experiment for us and we want your help to make it work in the best possible way for all. The plan is to keep a regular rotation of fresh shows posted for your listening pleasure. We hope to turn you on to the new stuff as well as refresh your memory of the classics. As you will notice, we are using a 'Commercial' service to make this available, so you will have to tolerate a bit of 'corporate shilling'. We think it's worth tolerating the minimal interruptions to have free access to the Good Doctor's archives. As we proceed we hope to add live shows, interviews, tour announcements, tidbits of wisdom and anything else that we fancy to scatter across the vast digital audio radiance..." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:03:50 -0700 From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: Miles > > >> He hated Dolphy's playing and Coltrane's late period, but >> was enamored with Prince. > > he also hated Ornette's violin playing > > Matt Wirzbicki > > - > ... as if Ornette's violin playing is above reproach. skip h - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:07:35 -0700 From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: Miles > In a message dated 4/29/01 8:19:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > M_WIRZBICKI@ColoradoCollege.edu writes: > > << he also hated Ornette's violin playing >>> > To be fair, I think he tolerated the violin playing, explaining it in the > sense that he could understand O. 'going for a sound,' or something like > that. It was O.'s TRUMPET playing that he hated, saying that it was > 'disrespectful to trumpet players,' or something similar to that. Its been a > while since I've read that bio, so I don't remember the exact quotes > (obviously). > > I've heard through the grapevine that a number of things in that book are to > be taken with a grain of salt. Exactly what things, I don't know. > > -matt mitchell > > - > Where did anyone ever get the idea that Miles was tolerant, sanguine in his opinions, or even polite. As for the Coltrane quartet, it was McCoy Tyner's playing found particularly dull, and, in all fairness, he did tend to play one way almost all the time in that group. skip h PS I also happen to think Ornette, as a rule, is not that brilliant, so I guess negative reviews of him don't offend me. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:44:33 -0400 From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Jackie McLean, Glenn Horiuchi articles Greetings, In the latest edition of Perfect Sound Forever , you'll find (among other things): JOHN FAHEY Tribute to an American Primitive: interviews with Dean Blackwood (Revenant), Barret Hansen (Dr. Demento) and George Winston GLENN HORIUCHI Atonal energy music from the late pianist JACKIE MCLEAN The prime Blue Note years for the master saxman We're always looking for good material so let us know if you have any writing or ideas for upcoming issues. See you online, Jason Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:56:13 -0600 From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" Subject: RE: Miles >... as if Ornette's violin playing is above reproach. hey, i didn't say I was nuts about it...I'm not. I was only trying to make the list of now well known artists which Miles shat upon a bit more complete. >I figure an accurate biography on anyone would include a fair amount of >assholery. >Just be thankful you're not famous. sure everyone's a jack ass from time to time but the point here is that Miles seems - from his autobiography - to behave in a combative and condescending manner toward others a bit more than most people consider - as you put it - "fair." Do you think an accurate biography on Coltrane would contain a "fair amount" of "assholery."? If by a "fair amount" you mean ANY then I might agree with your statments but if by "fair" you mean decent or substancial... ...i just don't think that most people are quite as mean as Miles seems to be in his autobiography. Matt Wirzbicki - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:24:25 EDT From: PaanKu@aol.com Subject: Re: Miles hey man, if his "assholery" as you put it is what made him the aggressive innovator that he was, then id gladly be the guy on the street that he bitches out when he's had a few too many if it means i can wake up a few weeks later and discover bitches brew ~fishy - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 05:27:13 -0000 From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: RE: Miles >From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" ...i just don't think that most people are >quite as mean as Miles seems to be in his autobiography. Just listen to the music! P.S. My favourite Miles story is when Wympie Marsalis got up on stage while Miles was playing Expo 86 in Vancouver to join the 'Dark Prince' in a duet (without asking permission); Miles just scowled and told him to fuck off... np: Ikeda/Nicolai 'Cyclo' _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 17:40:44 +0200 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Tippet's Blueprint As Tippets' blueprint is being reissued, I'd like to know what is it like.' Thanks, Marcin Gokieli - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:00:29 +0200 From: Tim Blechmann Subject: Re[2]: Miles PaanKu> hey man, if his "assholery" as you put it is what made him the aggressive PaanKu> innovator that he was, then id gladly be the guy on the street that he PaanKu> bitches out when he's had a few too many if it means i can wake up a few PaanKu> weeks later and discover bitches brew but if you take his period from 1975 to 1980... i wouldn't say he had been that an innovator that time. and imo in this time his "assholery" was biggest. and after that his music was not the intensive fusion music he played before... PEACE Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 03:56:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Marks Subject: Some May Tzadik Descriptions Zorn, John - Songs From The Hermetic Theatre [TZ7066:f] Tzadik $14.00 "In March 2001 Zorn entered the recording studio to create four very different compositions. American Magus is Zorn's first piece of purely electronic music, and it is dedicated to the underground innovator Harry Smith, whose legendary paintings, groundbreaking films, eclectic collections (ranging from Ukranian Easter eggs, string games, found paper airplanes to cassettes of New York City ambiences) and encyclopedic mind has continued to excite, confound and inspire artists worldwide. BeuysBlock, a bizarre meditation on the work of conceptual/performance artist Joseph Beuys, is scored for piano, string orchestra and an incredible array of homemade sound devices, all performed by Zorn himself. Also included is Zorn's tribute to Maya Deren, dancer, filmmaker, authority on Haitian voodoo and one of the most important and influential figures in the New York underground and the mindbending sonic hieroglyphs of Codebreaker, Zorn's first piece of computer music. An essential collection of dialogues from one generation of the underground to another." Frith, Fred - Clearing [TZ7605:f] Tzadik $14.00 "Fred Frith is one of the world's greatest originals on the guitar, a composer/performer who has been at the forefront of avant garde music since the early '70s. Clearing is his first solo guitar recording in over twenty years (since his classic Live In Japan of 1981) and his first solo studio recording since his groundbreaking Guitar Solos of 1974. Of the three existing solo recordings by this quirky musical master, Clearing is undoubtedly the most dynamic, the most direct and sonically the best recorded. An absolute must have for all fans __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #400 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. 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