From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #459 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Saturday, June 9 2001 Volume 03 : Number 459 In this issue: - Re: Vision Fest in the NY Times Re: Vision Fest in the NY Times Re: Vision Fest in the NY Times Philly -- Andrew Hill Sextet -- Roy Campbell/Wilbur Morris/Lou Grassi -- Sun Ra -- Mark Helias Carl Stone, was Re: Miles and Plunderphonics Morricone:"Chronicle" Curlew gig in St. Paul vu "bootleg" series Re: vu "bootleg" series Re: Re: vu "bootleg" series Re: Morricone:"Chronicle" Re: discovering Hans Tammen Re: discovering Hans Tammen Re: discovering Hans Tammen Vision Fest outside the NY Times ANOTHER 1 2 TRY! Happy WIz concerts in germany Re: concerts in germany ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 15:19:29 -0000 From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: Re: Vision Fest in the NY Times >From: Mike Chamberlain >Subject: Re: Vision Fest in the NY Times > >on 6/6/01 1:49 PM, DvdBelkin@aol.com at DvdBelkin@aol.com wrote: > > > The Times article was an enthusiastic endorsement of this music by a >critic > > who was new to it, and a call to others looking for the real deal to go >check > > it out. She was very complementary about the scene, and I thought said > > exactly the right things about the spirit with which one should approach >it: > >I agree. I read the article and could not see what Bill's problem with it >was. She was writing as someone who's not familiar with the music but went >in with an open mind. And she was favorably impressed. How much more >sophisticated could/should she have been? Well, as you probably know Mike, meaning is largely determined from context. I got no problem with a neophyte who drops her jaws at her first avant-garde jazz fest. We can all relate to that. Been there, done that. But this article comes on the heels of several fairly uninformed pieces on jazz and avant-garde jazz in America's premier newspaper. I'm wondering when the paper's going to invest in a writer that's been to more than a couple of gigs. It seems to me that NYC is an important enough place for this music so that they'd hire someone who knew something about it. If I want to follow the latest on the intifada in the middle east, I don't feel quite satisfied with a newby who hasn't gotten his feet wet or who doesn't appreciate the political context. Why should I be here, whatever niceties are thrown around? To be honest, I'd rather read you guys. You know more. I mean that as a compliment. I'm not simply satisfied when a paper does something it should be doing anyway. By the way, I did say the article wasn't bad. It wasn't. But it would have been better if the person had had more experience with the music. I mean that seriously. But yes, favorable open-mindedness is a good place to start. I wish the writer well. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 11:39:49 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Vision Fest in the NY Times In a message dated 6/7/01 11:20:47 AM, bashline@hotmail.com writes: << I'm wondering when the paper's going to invest in a writer that's been to more than a couple of gigs. >> well, of course they still have Ben Ratliff (one of my best friends, despite our huge differences in musical opinions), and Ben is one of the best jazz writers around, when given time to write and some inspiration from the music. you should understand that the Arts and Leisure is essentially a separate entity from the daily paper, with different editors, and much of the writing is done by freelancers (including most of the uninformed pieces you refer to.) as you also know, David Toop just wrote his first piece for them, and will hopefully write more in the future. his initial experience with them was not ideal, but I've been imploring him to persevere, because they could really use him. it's easy to complain about the music writing in the Times, but trying to actually come up with someone they should hire is much more difficult. the person needs to be a good, insightful writer who lives in NYC and is willing to cover concerts 3 or 4 nights a week, then write up reviews on a short deadline, many of which will never run in the paper. it's very hard to do that for a while, coupled with all of the outside pressures you face as the Times critic, and not burn out creatively. imagine trying to come up with something original and/or interesting to say about the Lincoln Center Jazz Orchestra the tenth time you write about them. the other thing to keep in mind about specifically covering the Vision Fest is that if you're knowledgable about the music, you tend to fall into one of two camps. either you're a huge fan, in which case it's very hard to summon up the necessary perspective and not end up writing a Steven Joerg-like press release, or you think the whole "ecstatic jazz" scene is remarkably boring, and you'd rather be strapped down like Alex in A Clockwork Orange than have to sit through a whole week of it. a fresh, inexperienced perspective works well in this specific circumstance, I think. <> well, of course we do! nobody was arguing that. :) Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 11:41:32 -0400 From: Mike Chamberlain Subject: Re: Vision Fest in the NY Times on 6/7/01 11:19 AM, Bill Ashline at bashline@hotmail.com wrote: >> From: Mike Chamberlain >> Subject: Re: Vision Fest in the NY Times >> >> on 6/6/01 1:49 PM, DvdBelkin@aol.com at DvdBelkin@aol.com wrote: >> >>> The Times article was an enthusiastic endorsement of this music by a >> critic >>> who was new to it, and a call to others looking for the real deal to go >> check >>> it out. She was very complementary about the scene, and I thought said >>> exactly the right things about the spirit with which one should approach >> it: >> >> I agree. I read the article and could not see what Bill's problem with it >> was. She was writing as someone who's not familiar with the music but went >> in with an open mind. And she was favorably impressed. How much more >> sophisticated could/should she have been? > > Well, as you probably know Mike, meaning is largely determined from context. > I got no problem with a neophyte who drops her jaws at her first > avant-garde jazz fest. We can all relate to that. Been there, done that. > But this article comes on the heels of several fairly uninformed pieces on > jazz and avant-garde jazz in America's premier newspaper. I'm wondering > when the paper's going to invest in a writer that's been to more than a > couple of gigs. It seems to me that NYC is an important enough place for > this music so that they'd hire someone who knew something about it. If I > want to follow the latest on the intifada in the middle east, I don't feel > quite satisfied with a newby who hasn't gotten his feet wet or who doesn't > appreciate the political context. Why should I be here, whatever niceties > are thrown around? To be honest, I'd rather read you guys. You know more. > I mean that as a compliment. I'm not simply satisfied when a paper does > something it should be doing anyway. By the way, I did say the article > wasn't bad. It wasn't. But it would have been better if the person had had > more experience with the music. I mean that seriously. But yes, favorable > open-mindedness is a good place to start. I wish the writer well. Point well taken. Nevertheless....maybe I'm just cynical about daily newspapers, but I don't think that those who are interested in in-depth analysis need to bother looking in the New York Times for it. When I need it, I can get it elsewhere. And despite its lack of sophistication, the article did a lot more for the music--I wouldn't think that William Parker and Patricia Nicholson are complaining about it--than some of the other dreck we've seen in the Times (and the New Yorker) lately. It was essentially advertising, which, as you know, is the American media's primary cultural function. A measure of our disillusionment with the mainstream media is that we can be quite pleased simply by the fact that someone is paying any attention at all to the music. - --Mike - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 14:35:39 -0400 From: "Alan Lankin" Subject: Philly -- Andrew Hill Sextet -- Roy Campbell/Wilbur Morris/Lou Grassi -- Sun Ra -- Mark Helias Some upcoming gigs of interest: Roy Campbell/Wilbur Morris/Lou Grassi Trio - - ars nova workshop (formerly Sweetnighter), Bennie's, 1510 South St, Philadelphia June 11 (Mon) - 8 pm Andrew Hill Sextet Mellon Jazz Festival - - Hill's first Philadelphia appearance as a leader in over 40 years. - - With tenor saxophonist Aaron Stewart, reedist Marty Ehrlich, trumpeter Ron Horton, bassist John Hebert and drummer Dafnis Prieto. - - The African American Museum 701 Arch St, Philadelphia - 215.574.0380 June 14 (Thu) - 7 pm - $20 Sun Ra Arkestra Mellon Jazz Festival - - The Fels Planetarium at The Franklin Institute, Winter St & Ben Franklin Pwky (Winter St entrance), Philadelphia - 215.569.9700 June 17 (Sun) - 7 & 9 pm - $22.50 Mark Helias's Open Loose - - with Tony Malaby, Mark Helias, Tom Rainey - - ars nova workshop (formerly Sweetnighter), Bennie's, 1510 South St, Philadelphia June 18 (Mon) - 8 pm - --- Alan Lankin Jazzmatazz http://jazzmatazz.home.att.net http://home.att.net/~lankina/jazz/phillyjazz.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 00:54:47 -0500 From: Herb Levy Subject: Carl Stone, was Re: Miles and Plunderphonics Intriguing subject line, though I don't know of any work by Oswald on something by Davis (though I haven't listened through or read through all of the Plunderphonics set yet, so I could be wrong.) The closest thing I know of is the final section of Carl Stone's Nyala which brings together Miles Davis, Jimi Hendrix, an east Indian (?) singer (at least someone in a kind of Bauls of Bengal style) & one or two other sources. This was released on Em:t, so it's out of print & probably not readily available now. Carl also had a couple of much less interesting (to me, they were at least much less complex than the Nyala work) Miles Davis pieces at an MP3 site a while back. I don't know if they're still around. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 13:02:04 -0000 From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Morricone:"Chronicle" Hey! The Tzadik website has been updated. Zorn has a new playlist, and quite amazingly, I have actually heard about some of the stuff he mentions. Especially one thing caught my eye: A ten CD boxset of Ennio Morricone's "pop" (!?) music called "Chronicle". This looks absolutely incredible!! Does anybody here own this beauty?? Is it worth the almost 300 US Dollars, or would I be better of buying ten of the original soundtracks by themselves? I'm looking for websites with reviews of it, pictures of the artwork etc. Any help would be great! All I could find was this: http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=120591444/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/artistid=MORRICONE*ENNIO/itemid=1205659 Man, I was I could spend as much money on CDs as Zorn can! Bye! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 09:16:06 EDT From: CuneiWay@aol.com Subject: Curlew gig in St. Paul For those of you in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area, CURLEW will be playing: Monday July 9th - 10:30 pm - The Clown Lounge (located in the basement of: The Turf Club) - 1601 University Ave. West (near Snelling) St. Paul Mn 55104 (651) 647-0486 This is the first show by the new lineup of Curlew, and is a "warm up" for their upcomming album. The line up is: George Cartwright - saxophones Fred Chalanor - bass Bruce Golden - drums Chris Parker - piano Davey Williams - guitar soundclips from Curlew's previous albums can be found at: http://www.cuneiformrecords.com/bandshtml/curlew.html Steve F. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 09:42:49 -0400 From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: vu "bootleg" series The following is from a Universal Music press release (meaning this isn't really a bootleg). Anybody have details? Lang 8/28 * Velvet Underground - Bootleg Series, Vol 1: The Quine Tapes (3cd set) - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 10:05:24 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: vu "bootleg" series In a message dated 6/8/01 9:43:33 AM, wlt4@mindspring.com writes: << 8/28 * Velvet Underground - Bootleg Series, Vol 1: The Quine Tapes (3cd set) >> no specific details, but I know that Polygram/Universal/whatever large corporation owns the rights to the Velvets material these days has been planning a series of official bootlegs of VY material since the box set was released a few years ago. I also seem to recall that Robert Quine, who ended up Lou Reed's guitarist in the seventies, recorded many VU shows in the late sixties, so I'd guess that's what this is drawn from. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 10:17:24 -0400 From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Re: vu "bootleg" series >Robert Quine, who ended up Lou Reed's guitarist in the seventies, >recorded many VU shows in the late sixties, so I'd guess that's what >this is drawn from. Now I want a 3-disc box of Robert Quine bootlegs. Waaah! Maybe a CD of "Escape" would do.... - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 07:21:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: Morricone:"Chronicle" - --- Arthur Gadney wrote: > Man, I was I could spend as much money on CDs as > Zorn can! Amen. Rereading the interview with Duckworth in TALKING MUSIC last week, I noticed something that had slipped my attention before: the man paid $50/mo rent up until 1986. What? What?! Sweet deal. \ - ----s, casing banks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 03:46:04 +0200 From: Julien Quint Subject: Re: discovering Hans Tammen Hi Patrice > A friend played to me ENDANGERED GUITAR by guitarist Hans Tammen (on > Nur/Nicht/Nur). Needless to say, I was quite impressed! I don't remember > this musician being discussed on this list. What else should I get from > him? I'm just coming back from Hans Tammen's concert at le 102 here in Grenoble. The show was scarcely attended, but Hans's performance was very well received. He played two long pieces which I guess are related to his "endangered guitar" work (the guitar looked in danger indeed -- at the after show dinner, we were talking about Derek Bailey's track "George" on the "Play backs" CD where he says that all his guitars are named George, when Hans said that his guitars did not last long enough to be named anything), and a short and very quiet encore. Marvellous stuff indeed, but I didn't get any of his CDs since I think seeing the man perform (with his two amps and his powerbook) had a big part in my liking it. Anyway, besides the CD you mentionned, he was also selling a duet CD on Potlach with a guy playing "hyperpiano", whereas he is credited with "endangered guitar". Sorry about the lack of details -- had too much Chinese liquor at the dinner... I also got a copy of John Oswald's 69Plunderphonics96 from Jerome Noetinger. It looks splendid, with a thick booklet, and of course the music is a must! Jerome told me he had about 50 copies in stock, so European readers may be interested in ordering it from Metamkine. Julien - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 11:06:58 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: discovering Hans Tammen In a message dated 6/8/01 11:03:46 AM, julien.quint@imag.fr writes: << Anyway, besides the CD you mentionned, he was also selling a duet CD on Potlach with a guy playing "hyperpiano", whereas he is credited with "endangered guitar". >> that'd be Denman Maroney, one of the more underrated (and best) improv musicians around. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 18:46:41 +0200 From: Julien Quint Subject: Re: discovering Hans Tammen > << Anyway, besides the CD you mentionned, he was also selling a duet CD on > Potlach with a guy playing "hyperpiano", whereas he is credited with > "endangered guitar". >> > > that'd be Denman Maroney, one of the more underrated (and best) improv > musicians around. > > Jon > www.erstwhilerecords.com That's it Jon -- and now I even remember the title of the CD : "Billabong". Julien - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 13:19:11 -0400 From: Bob Sweet Subject: Vision Fest outside the NY Times One Final Note did a nice job covering the VF last year (http://www.onefinalnote.com/issue3/index.html). They have improved since then--they are emerging as one of the finest journals out there for creative music--and will probably have even better coverage this year. Bob Sweet read Music Universe, Music Mind: Revisiting the Creative Music Studio subscribe to CMS Update http://www.arborville.com Mike Chamberlain wrote: > > A measure of our disillusionment with the mainstream media is that we can be > quite pleased simply by the fact that someone is paying any attention at all > to the music. > > --Mike > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 03:31:40 EDT From: RogerHParry@cs.com Subject: ANOTHER 1 2 TRY! http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/jazz/jon3/ram/hes_wil_fell.ram - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 11:36:52 -0000 From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Happy WIz Hello Info on the band HAPPY WIZ would be interesting. Supposedly they are from France. That's all I know, other than they should be amazing. Anyone heard them? Info info? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 10:05:36 -0400 (EDT) From: alazier@Princeton.EDU (Ariel Joel Lazier) Subject: concerts in germany does any one know where to find information about upcoming concerts in southern germany, switzerland or austria, especially those closer to munich? ari - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 16:18:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: concerts in germany Ariel (& others): Go to the excellent European Free Improvisers page: http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/ click on "upcoming concerts" link and scroll down to concerts in Germany. Ken Waxman - --- Ariel Joel Lazier wrote: > does any one know where to find information about > upcoming concerts in > southern germany, switzerland or austria, especially > those closer to > munich? > > ari > > > > - > _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #459 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". 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