From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #467 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Friday, June 15 2001 Volume 03 : Number 467 In this issue: - Re: Re: HOGG/ was Delany (no zorn) Re: Re: HOGG/ was Delany (no zorn) Re: HOGG/ was Delany (no zorn) Fwd: Goodbye 20th Century Yuka Honda CDs for sale Re: Goodbye 20th Century Re: HOGG/ was Delany (no zorn) Odp: From Zappa to Zorn Odp: VIBES - KNITSAMPLER, ever came out? SY Lost Tracks A Chance Operation Re: A Chance Operation supersilent 5 Re: Odp: VIBES - KNITSAMPLER, ever came out? unbelievable: CHALLENGE reissed!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:24:43 -0700 From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: Re: HOGG/ was Delany (no zorn) William T. Vollmann - The Royal family - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:27:47 -0400 From: jason tors Subject: Re: Re: HOGG/ was Delany (no zorn) - --============_-1219575624==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Cant forget about Rick Moody, his writing about modern lives is quite touching and disturbing. I just finished Denis Johnson's first novel, angels, a very mature work, full length novel of some tragic americans filled with wonderfully written imagery of the mundane. Another one to check out is Jerzy Kosinski's Steps. > > Does anyone have any book recs within a similar vein >> as Hogg or equally disturbing on a multitude of >> levels? > >Other than the Burroughs, Sade, Celine, Genet, etc lineage? How about: > >Iain Banks - The Wasp Factory >Iain Sinclair - Downriver >Rochester - poetry >Denis Johnson - Jesus' Son >David Thomson - Suspects > >some people are big on Ian McEwan and Kathy Acker but I've found >them to be of little interest > > > >- - --============_-1219575624==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Re: HOGG/ was Delany (no zorn)
Cant forget about Rick Moody, his writing about modern lives is quite touching and disturbing. I just finished Denis Johnson's first novel, angels, a very mature work, full length novel of some tragic americans filled with wonderfully written imagery of the mundane. Another one to check out is Jerzy Kosinski's Steps.

> Does anyone have any book recs within a similar vein
> as Hogg or equally disturbing on a multitude of
> levels?

Other than the Burroughs, Sade, Celine, Genet, etc lineage?  How about:

Iain Banks - The Wasp Factory
Iain Sinclair - Downriver
Rochester - poetry
Denis Johnson - Jesus' Son
David Thomson - Suspects

some people are big on Ian McEwan and Kathy Acker but I've found them to be of little interest



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- --============_-1219575624==_ma============-- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:41:13 +0200 From: patRice Subject: Re: HOGG/ was Delany (no zorn) wlt4@mindspring.com wrote: >=20 > > Does anyone have any book recs within a similar vein > > as Hogg or equally disturbing on a multitude of > > levels? >=20 To be honest, I haven't read anything by Hogg - wasn't even familiar with the name... But I did finy Bret Easton Ellis' "American Psycho" quite disturbing to read. After about two thirds into the book I seriously asked myself why I kept on reading... patRice np: k. d. lang, Ing=E9nue (sp?) nr: Haruki Murakami, Sputnik Sweetheart (which I wouldn't describe as disturbing, but it nevertheless has made me think, think, think...) - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:42:00 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Fwd: Goodbye 20th Century All in all, after 3 nights in a row of SY > experience, tonight I will miss them. > Efren; jump fences, crawl under them, dig a tunnel. > Just be there!!! > > manolis Thanks a lot for encouraging!! Unfortunately, I wasn't able to go at last (a Simultaneous Interpreting exam changed its schedule for tomorrow morning!) A pity according to your review. Even worse, I didn't know that they had gone on tour with O'Rourke and Winant. Within an hour, these guys will be destroying Barcelona's techno freaks'ears.(i hope so) Thanks god they come really often. I hope Fantomas will compensate my disaster next month. Anybody saw them live? Greetings, Efrén np: Ali Farka Toure "Niafunké" (not too impressed so far) n.r: Allen Ginsberg "Death and Fame: Poems 1993-1997" _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger: Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente - http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:54:15 -0400 From: "Neil H. Enet" Subject: Yuka Honda Wasn't she supposed to release an album through Tzadik? Did she realease it already? (I can't seem to find it in www.tzadik.com) Neil H. Enet - ------------ NP. DEPECHE MODE - Exciter - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:33:39 -0400 From: "Alan Lankin" Subject: CDs for sale I have a list of CDs for sale that I think might interest some members of this group. Many are out-of-print; I believe the prices are pretty reasonable. (And I hope this isn't considered spam.) Carla Bley - Tropic Appetites (Watt) - Julie Tippetts, Gato Barbieri, Howard Johnson, Dave Holland, Michael Mantler, Toni Marcus, Paul Motian - German import - $10.75 Arthur Blythe - Hipmotism (Enja) - Hamiet Bluiett, Kevin Bell, Gust William Tsilis, Bob Stewart, Famoudou Don Moye - $8 Uri Caine - The Sidewalks of New York: Tin Pan Alley (Winter & Winter) - $11 Ornette Coleman - Sound Museum: Three Women (Harmolodic/Verve) - with Geri Allen, Charnett Moffett - $8 Miles Davis - Dark Magus (Columbia) - 2 CDs in limited edition digipack. 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Ware - Flight of I (Columbia) - with Matthew Shipp, William Parker, Marc Edwards - $6.75 Joe Zawinal Syndicate - The Immigrants (Columbia) - $6.75 Joe Zawinal Syndicate - Lost Tribes (Columbia) - $6.75 John Zorn/Derek Bailey/George Lewis - Yankees (Celluloid) - $9.50 John Zorn - Masada - Four-Daled (DIW) - Japanese import - $11 - --- Email me if you're interested. Shipping is $1.75 for one CD, $2.75 for two CDs, $3.50 for three, $4.00 for four, $4.50 for five or more within U.S. More titles that are more maintstream jazz are at: http://home.att.net/~lankina/jazz/forsale.html . Alan Lankin lankina@att.net - --- Jazzmatazz http://jazzmatazz.home.att.net - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 00:26:08 From: "William York" Subject: Re: Goodbye 20th Century <> But he does write and occasionally recite really pretentious poetry ... How does that work as a trade-off??? WY (Sorry ... but TM and his cool-guy persona are such easy targets. He's done a lot of good things for free/jazz music, but it is too bad he can't take himself a bit less seriously. At least Zorn will allow himself to play games now and then.) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:18:44 -0700 From: Jim Flannery Subject: Re: HOGG/ was Delany (no zorn) "M.B." wrote: > > equally disturbing on a multitude of levels? Some of Kathe Koja's stuff, especially _Strange Angels_. - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com "It's no bed of roses, let me tell you, being a mutant." -- Warren Dearden np: 23 Skidoo, _The Culling is Coming_ nr: James Elkins, _The Domain of Images_ - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 19:04:27 +0200 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: From Zappa to Zorn From: efrén del valle > > Has anyone ever heard Zorn pundits or Zorn himself > > make a (more than > > passing) connection between his music and Zappa's? In an interview JZ did for polish jazz mag 'jazz forum' some 5 years ago, he said that zappa and beefheart are people that interest him in rock (Coleman and Elllington in jazz, Varese and stravinsky in classical) I remember him saying very good things on early mothers, treating them as one of the best beands ever - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:14:47 +0200 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: VIBES - KNITSAMPLER, ever came out? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrice L. Roussel > It was advertized at the time the KF was in deep financial trouble. It's not anymore? - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:53:20 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: SY Lost Tracks Hi everyone! I've owned Sonic Youth's "Lost Tracks" album for many years now but the other day I was just wondering through which company they released it. Unfortunately, my copy (at least) doesn't feature any credits (company, distributor, liner notes, recording date...). Anybody knows where this record came from? BTW, I seize the opportunity to recommend it. Thanks. Greetings, Efrén P.D: Still regretting not attending the SY concert yesterday. _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger: Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente - http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 06:36:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "M.B." Subject: A Chance Operation Hello- Is the John Cage Tribute "A Chance Operation" worthy of purchase? I'm mainly curious about the Yoko Ono track "Georgia Stone" but it looks like it has a pretty good representation of artists... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:35:47 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: A Chance Operation On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 06:36:35AM -0700, M.B. wrote: > Is the John Cage Tribute "A Chance Operation" worthy > of purchase? I'm mainly curious about the Yoko Ono > track "Georgia Stone" but it looks like it has a > pretty good representation of artists... I like the collection a lot. It's a good introduction to a lot of Cage's work and to the artists on it. And "Georgia Stone" is my single favorite Yoko recording. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:03:43 -0500 From: "Ben Axelrad" Subject: supersilent 5 Hi, Can anyone offer a brief review of Supersilent 5? I don't know if this is necessary since most people on this list seem to despise ECM, but I feel I should warn against the Trygve Seim release, "Different Rivers". It's a very nice disc, but unfortunately it doesn't deviate from the traditional ECM fare. I was hoping that the presence of Arve Henriksen (Supersilent) and Stian Carstensen (Farmers Market) signalled a new direction for their jazz recordings. Regarding the discussion on disturbing books, the most disturbing book I have read has got to be Peter Sotos' _Tick_ (or was it _Pure_?). It's a mix of sadism, kiddie porn, and (just a little) art criticism interspersed with newspaper clippings about people arrested for abusing children. A very depressing read. Ben np: Joe McPhee, In the Spirit nr: Goethe, Faust _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:20:44 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Odp: VIBES - KNITSAMPLER, ever came out? On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:14:47 +0200 "Marcin Gokieli" wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patrice L. Roussel > > > It was advertized at the time the KF was in deep financial trouble. > > It's not anymore? Since they are still around, the "deep" can be omitted for the moment. Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:28:42 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: unbelievable: CHALLENGE reissed!!! Martin Davidson just sent the list of upcoming records on his label, and I have barely recovered. Three with Evan Parker, including the reissue of the mythic CHALLEGE (with extra material including Parker!). Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Available around June 26: SPONTANEOUS MUSIC ENSEMBLE Challenge (1966-7) EMANEM 4053 The long overdue reissue - the first since 1966! - of the first SME LP reveals their free jazz roots with only hints of what was to come. KENNY WHEELER (flugelhorn), PAUL RUTHERFORD (trombone), TREVOR WATTS (alto sax), BRUCE CALE (double bass) and JOHN STEVENS (drums) improvise on pieces by Rutherford, Stevens & Watts. (JEFF CLYNE replaces Cale on a couple of tracks.) In addition there is a previously unissued performance from 1967 by TREVOR WATTS (piccolo & alto sax), EVAN PARKER (soprano sax), CHRIS CAMBRIDGE (double bass) and JOHN STEVENS (drums). Reissue of Eyemark EMPL 1002 with extra material. 67 minutes. HOWARD RILEY TRIO verground (1974-5) EMANEM 4054 Graphic scores interpreted by pianist Riley with BARRY GUY on amplified bass and TONY OXLEY on percussion and electronics. Recorded a year or two after SYNOPSIS (EMANEM 4044), these two sessions reveal further developments, ending up with all three musicians using electronics. As well as three trio performances, there is also a Riley/Oxley duet, and an overdubbed two-piano piece. 68 minutes - previously unissued. EVAN PARKER The Ayes Have It (1983 & 1991) EMANEM 4055 Two performances by one-off groups, both featuring EVAN PARKER (saxophones) and PAUL ROGERS (double bass). There is a 1983 trio studio recording with percussionist JAMIE MUIR, and a 1991 quartet gig with percussionist MARK SANDERS and visiting trombonist WOLTER WIERBOS. Both sessions are quite unlike anything else in the Parker canon. 68 minutes - previously unissued. CHRIS BURN ENSEMBLE The Place 1991 EMANEM 4056 A concert performance by the eight-piece group, with JIM DENLEY (flutes), JOHN BUTCHER (saxophones), PHIL DURRANT (violin), STEVIE WISHART (violin & hurdy-gurdy), MARCIO MATTOS (cello), JOHN RUSSELL (guitar), MATT HUTCHINSON (synthesizer) and CHRIS BURN (piano & percussion). They interpret three scores by Burn, and one each by Butcher and Keith Rowe, as well as performing a free improvisation. EVAN PARKER is an added guest on one of the Burn pieces. 72 minutes - previously unissued. SYLVIA HALLETT White Fog (1998-2001) EMANEM 4057 Three aspects of this remarkable musician's work: Wheelsongs is a 6 minute cycle featuring four original songs appearing within an improvised setting created solely with bowed bicycle wheel and digital delays. There is also a violin and voice improvisation (without any electronics), and a tape collage soundtrack made for a dance film. 64 minutes - previously unissued. Emanem 4025 & 4026 are being repressed. This means that all Emanem CDs will then be available, except for 4004 which will be reissued later this year. See www.emanemdisc.com for further details. - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #467 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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