From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #505 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Wednesday, July 18 2001 Volume 03 : Number 505 In this issue: - RE: Arto Lindsay / Fela Kuti RE: Arto Lindsay lineup Charly (was Re: Xtatika, etc.) Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #501 Re: Philip Jeck Re: Charly (was Re: Xtatika, etc.) Re: Recent frequent plays Re: Recent frequent plays thread Re: Mr. fela arto vandermark RE: metalcore/noisecore bands (there IS some Zorn content here) Re: Stuff that's been spinnin' Zorn, Medeski Ribot (Emergency) Gigogphry Joy Division (was: Re: Recent frequent plays) Re: Philip Jeck Re: Fushitsusha (was rotation) Re: Recent frequent plays Odp: Philip Jeck Odp: Frith with Joey Baron? Probably not. Odp: Gettin' Dizzy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 19:31:09 -0300 From: mwoodwor Subject: RE: Arto Lindsay / Fela Kuti I'm not sure who the rest of the band was but Melvin Gibbs was on bass. I know the other guitar player was not Marc Ribot (too bad). Plus there was a drummer and a keyboard player who I did not recognize. As for Fela Kuti, yessssssss - the albums are as good as everyone says - start with Original Sufferhead/ITT - you won't regret it Mike. np - Susumu Yokota - Grinning Cat >===== Original Message From iqhouse@yahoo.de ===== >mwoodwor wrote: > >> Since I saw Arto Lindsay at the Montreal Jazz Fest a couple of weeks ago - >> I've been re-listening to his last 3-4 albums -he put on a great live show, >> re-working (and in many cases, speeding up) songs primarily off his last two >> albums. > >Do you know who played with him? >I saw him twice a few years ago and also enjoyed the shows very much. >Both times Marc Ribot was in the band - my guitar God... >Was also lucky enough to meet Arto and Marc during the break - lovely guys! > >> >> >> As for other current listening - I know it's been said before, but everyone do >> yourself a big favour and go out and buy 15-20 Fela Kuti albums and hunker >> down in the house for a week or two. It may be some expensive shit! to buy >> that many albums, but boy oh boy it is goooooooooooooood. > >Are the albums really as hot as so many people claim? >(Unfortunately I missed out on the discussion on this list... - Archives time >maybe? ;-)) > >patRice - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:44:08 -0400 From: "Jim McLoughlin" Subject: RE: Arto Lindsay lineup Hi - ---- I'm not sure who the rest of the band was but Melvin Gibbs was on bass. I know the other guitar player was not Marc Ribot (too bad). Plus there was a drummer and a keyboard player who I did not recognize. - ---- The most recent band that usually does the album tunes is Vinicius Cantuaria on guitar, Gibbs on bass and drum loops, Skoota Warner on drums (plays with headphones to drum loop tracks at times), Arto, and I can't remember the keyboards player. Wicked band.... Jim M - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 22:56:40 -0000 From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: Charly (was Re: Xtatika, etc.) >From: "Patrice L. Roussel" >Isn't surprising that Charly reissued these five records (Don Cherry, >Archie >Shepp, Sun Ra, Art Ensemble of Chicago, Jazz Actuel) barely one year after >the initial reissue of the same set? Even more surprising (but confirming >that I was not allucinating), the catalog numbers are different. Could the >reason be that Charly is back in UK (since the pressing last year were from >Germany)? I agree. It is strange. But then again Charly looks like a rather corrupt outfit, good CDs aside. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:04:50 -0700 From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #501 > > > > > I feel like starting a thread...Which >> new/contemporary rock bands you think are worth the attention, or you find >> interesting? I personally have a thing for At the Drive In, but I don't see >> anything else that is worth my pesos. Big Sandy and the Fly-Rite Boys -- a Western Swing band -- were killing, both for songs and great improvising -- until their steel guitar player quit. There's an interesting prog country/chamber folk group in NYC called Jimson Weed. They're worth seeing. skip h np: James Brown, Live At The Apollo, Vol 2 Deluxe Edition - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 19:54:32 -0400 From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Re: Philip Jeck Among the discs I've obtained this year (whether released this year or prior) that have given the most pleasure and, consequently, received the most play are: AMM From a Strange Place AMM Laminal Braxton Composition 247 Braxton Quintet (Basel) 1977 Charles/Doneda/Muller Direct Chamber Chevalier/Havard/Ottavi/Rowe [N:Q] Dixon Vade Mecum 2 Dorner/Drumm Axel Dorner - Kevin Drumm Durrant/Lehn/Malfatti dach Filament 29092000 Gustafsson Hidros One Guy Inscape - Tableaux Iskra 1903 Chapter One Joseph Holbrooke Joseph Holbrooke '98 Leimgruber/Leandre/Hauser No Try No Fail Erik M Frame Sachiko M Debris Harry Miller Family Affair MIMEO Electric Chair & Table Muller/Sugimoto I Am Happy If You Are Happy Nakamura/Sachiko M do Perlonex Peripherique Polwechsel 2 Prevost Silver Pyramid Riley Poppy No Good Rogers (Paul) Time of Brightness Rowe/Beins Grain Sugimoto/Drumm Den Supersession Supersession Tetreault/Charles MXCT Wall Constructions V-VII Yoshihide Digital Tranquilizer An _excellent_ year so far, with an absurd amount of music to listen to. Brian Olewnick NP: TV Pow - Mort aux Vaches/Being Nice Is Funny - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:18:06 -0000 From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Re: Charly (was Re: Xtatika, etc.) >From: "Bill Ashline" > But then again Charly looks like a rather >corrupt outfit... There's a great story about Charly when Universal (MCA) sued them for kazillions of dollars over their unauthorised selling of the Chess Records catalog; The specific company (say Charly Holdings Ltd.) at the specific address filed for bankruptcy, while a new company (say Charly Ltd. Holdings) in the same building but with a new street address around the corner went into business the next day, minus the Chess titles of course... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:43:28 +0930 From: "Case" Subject: Re: Recent frequent plays My list for heavens sake. Maldoror: She Bowie: 50th B/day gig Eyvind Kang: Story of Icelund Morrissey: Angelic Upstart Melt Banana: Teeny Shiny (not so bad, initially thought it was dog shite) Case Sinclair Adelaide Centre for Spinal Research IMVS Frome Road Adelaide SA 5001 AUSTRALIA case.sinclair@imvs.sa.gov.au - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:58:42 +1000 From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Recent frequent plays thread How many of you people are using a multi-disc shuffle? I can only think of 2 albums that I really listened to a lot in the past week or so: - - Brad Shepik's "The Well" - actually, I was basically listening to the title track over and over. - - Vandermark/Drake/McBride "Spaceways Incorporated" - probably because I just bought it, but it is great nonetheless. Other than that I've skimmed through the T.J. Kirk albums, more just to check out their Monk interpretations as reference for a project I'm putting together. And a few albums that have been in and out of my cd player for as long as I can remember: Bobby Previte's "Too Close To The Pole" and all the Dave Douglas Tiny Bell Trio albums... - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 22:58:16 -0400 From: Mathieu Belanger Subject: Re: Mr. fela arto vandermark Hello, >Since I saw Arto Lindsay at the Montreal Jazz Fest a couple of weeks ago - >I've been re-listening to his last 3-4 albums -he put on a great live show, >re-working (and in many cases, speeding up) songs primarily off his last >two albums. Various folks provided the names of the other musicians so I won't repeat what they said, but the keyboard player was Andreas Levin. I can't say I enjoyed this too much though. I definitely prefer the albums. I don't think he was able to recreate all the subtilities of the songs and they are, in my opinion, very important. They were not able to recreate the beautiful ambiances of the albums. Not that I want them to recreate perfectly the album though, but at least not to serve us something half as good. It really was not until the 5th or 6th song - when they played one or two more "upbeat" songs - that I (partially) enjoyed it. The sound was not incredible too, the basses were kind of messy. Now, it was not so bad, but it definitely was not unforgettable. >Also, caught the Vandermark 5 at the 'other' jazz-fest going on during the >Montreal Jazz Fest at Casa del popolo - as someone else recently commented > on the list - they were smokin! Much better than the last time I saw them > which was at Victoriaville last year - their new album sounds like it will > be the best so far. I personally had a totally different perception. To me, they were almost playing "straight jazz", especially the first set. Vandermark had one or two nice solos in the second set (especially a sort of duo with Kessler) and so did Bishop. Even the structures were very close to more traditional jazz, often being simply a theme followed by an exchange of solos (theme, sax, trombone, drums then sax and back to the theme). Technically, it was well done, but I can't say I enjoyed the compositions. I prefered the show at the Casa back in September. This being said, I was kind of impressed to see them play without any amplification. Of course, the Centro Social Espanol is not an arena, but it's still a much larger room than the Casa. >Still, I wonder how Test was that night. I was not at the show, but I was told it was good. Quite heavy stuff apparently, i.e. the "percing holes in the walls" approach if I can say... Tschuss, Mathieu - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:03:38 -0400 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: metalcore/noisecore bands (there IS some Zorn content here) This is all good clarification, as I would have expected from William, who's been helping me out as unofficial tour guide to a lot of this stuff. Personally, I don't really hear Candiria and Dillinger as being in precisely the same stylistic camp as Isis, Botch and Cave In, though. I think of the former as being more speed and precision thrash oriented, while I think of the latter as being more textural and spacy, for lack of more precise terms. Both are equally valid developments from and reactions to the standard metal scene, whatever that is. Wonder what will become of Dillinger now that the lead singer has quit this past week "to concentrate on non-musical activities"? I should clarify re: the Melvins influence in Cave In - it's really just the last two songs on the first CD, 'Beyond Hypothermia,' which are fairly explicitly described as being Melvins-esque in the liner notes. Even the vocals sound rather like Buzz. It was sloppy of me to seem to say that it was a more widespread phenomenon in their music - it's not. And a trivia question - there's a bonus track on that same CD, a rather more conventional thrash metal tune with lyrics that lead me to think it's a cover of Metallica's "Fight Fire with Fire," only I don't own 'Ride the Lightning' and it's been so long since I've heard it that I just can't be sure. Anyone know? Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of William York I think there are a lot of interesting bands in this genre now. A lot of people on this list know Dillinger Escape Plan, who are almost in their own category, but still definitely a part of this genre. I would aslo count Candiria (from Brooklyn), Converge (kind of a cross between Dillinger Escape Plan's fast-paced/chaotic style with a heavier Slayer influence) and Today is the Day (very disturbing vocals and lyrics, the singer often sounds like he is being electrocuted...) among the better ones, along with Cave-In (I don't hear the Melvins influence at all, though!), Isis (the slowest, sludgiest of these groups) and Old Man Gloom (who are as influenced by droning stuff like Earth, Lull and Organum as by the other "heavy" things). there are others, but I will stop there ... - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:14:33 -0500 (CDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?A?= Subject: Re: Stuff that's been spinnin' This has been owning my ears lately: Tool - Lateralus David Lee Roth - Sonrisa Salvaje (Spanish version of his Eat 'Em and Smile album, quite hilarious) Primus - Brown Album (sounds like a lost Tom Waits record for some reason. Killer lo-fi production) Dillinger Escape Plan - Calculating Infinity Praxis - Metatron Atheist - Unquestionable Presence _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Obtenga su dirección de correo-e gratis @yahoo.com en http://correo.espanol.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 01:34:38 -0400 From: "Steven Popkin" Subject: Zorn, Medeski Ribot (Emergency) Gigogphry Does anyone have a list of all the Zorn Medeski Ribot gig dates?. Some were billed as Emergency. They featured such drummers as Ben Perowsky, Kenny Wollerson,Calvin Weston. I am searching for a list of their gig dates. Otherwise I can compile them if you send me you tapelists of these gigs. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:46:01 +0200 From: patRice Subject: Joy Division (was: Re: Recent frequent plays) thomas chatterton wrote: > > Joy Division Les Bains Douches 18 Dec '79 Thomas What's this one about? Is it a Joy Division live bootleg? Thanks for your help! patRice - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:56:17 +0200 (MET DST) From: stephen.fruitman@idehist.umu.se (Stephen Fruitman) Subject: Re: Philip Jeck >after a few listens, British turntablist Philip Jeck's just-released Vinyl >Coda IV (Intermedium) seems like his strongest, most coherent statement yet= . Agreed. >let's get this list moving again. what records are getting the most frequen= t >play in your house these days? _Lume Lume_ by Alexander Balanescu and various friends (Staubgold). Very unique. Stephen Fruitman Dept of Historical Studies Ume=E5 University SE-901 87 Ume=E5 Sweden - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 05:37:26 -0400 From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: Fushitsusha (was rotation) At 04:53 PM 7/17/01 -0400, Jim McLoughlin wrote: > >anyone have recommendations on my next Fushitsusha purchase? I'm a pretty big fan of the Paratactile double, I saw it! that before which I could only sense... The amazing title track spans both disks, and the pacing is much like Allegorical Understanding (it even closes with a short quiet piece), and it's a studio recording as well. Highly recommended. - -- One day the United States discovered that it was an empire. But it didn't know what an empire was. It thought that an empire was merely the biggest of all corporations. -- Roberto Calasso Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:57:36 +0200 From: "john rust" Subject: Re: Recent frequent plays >let's get this list moving again. what records are getting the most >frequent >play in your house these days? In no particular order: Os Mutantes 1968 Rita Lee - Hoje e primeiro dia do resto da sua vida The Monks - Black Monk Time Shaking in Athens - Psychedelic music in Greece Roy Montgomery - And now the rain sounds like life is falling down through it Sergey Kuryokhin - Detskiy al'bom Bloedow/Charles- La Mar Enfortuna Kazutoki Umezu - The Fisrt Deserter Makigami Koichi - Koroshi No Blues William S. Burroughs - Spare Ass Annie and Other Stories Henry Kaiser - Outside Aloha Pleasure Radiohead - Amnesiac David Byrne - Look Into the Eyeball Ladytron - 604 P.S. For everyone who's in Berlin next week - Unterwasser featuring Leonid Soybelman from Ne Zhdali / Kletka Red will be playing in ACUD on 26.07. Might be exciting, but we haven't rehearsed yet :-) - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:00:14 +0200 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: Philip Jeck - ----- Original Message ----- From: > let's get this list moving again. what records are getting the most frequent > play in your house these days? - - '70s Miles boot 'another bitches brew' (one cd of 71, another of 73 band, really great performances), - Starvinsky's Violin Concerto (conducted by IS and Isaac Starn and another version Ozawa/ Perlaman. - - Frith's 'cheap at half the price', (I borrowed form a friend a cd copy of one of this album that I hav on a LP, and I'm really delighted by the bonus track 'true love') - - zorn's 'the gift' - -Eno's 'another green world' - -Primus 'tales form the punchbowl' And - thanks to the people on that list - the greatest hit of 2001 summer is undoubdtly the G - Force (actually, 'Battle of the planets') tune. BTW, can anybody comment the latest Frisell? Marcin Gokieli - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:02:51 +0200 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: Frith with Joey Baron? Probably not. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Arthur Gadney To: Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 10:16 AM Subject: Frith with Joey Baron? Probably not. If it's a quartet recording, it's from 96 or something; on the other hand, FF played at Mozg club solo at the indicated date (a day after a massacre show in Warsaw). So it might be that. > >I have also heard of a (bootleg ?) : > > > >*** - LIVE IN BYDGOSZCZ: Fred Frith Guitar Quartet > > > > 1/ A > > 2/ B > > 3/ C > > 4/ D > > 5/ E > > 6/ F > > 7/ G > > 8/ H > > 9/ Ayaya Moses > > > > recorded live in Bydgoszcz on June 24, 2000. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:47:26 +0200 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: Gettin' Dizzy - ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Trenkel > Greg Bendian/Interzone: Requiem for Jack Kirby: Terrific stuff w/ > Bendian on Vibes, Nels + Alex Cline and a bassist I can't recall at > the moment. Great compositions, the writing and instrumentation > remind me of Tortoise with serious improvising chops. Can you - or anyone - tell more about this band? I read an interviewwith Bendian, and it sounded pretty interesting. Marcin Gokieli - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #505 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com