From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #554 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Tuesday, August 28 2001 Volume 03 : Number 554 In this issue: - Re: SABBATH Re: Black Sabbath (NO ZORN CONTENT!!!) Re: serge recs CARCASS DVD (Was: ND recommendations?) -- Chicago Recommendations (NZC) -- RE: -- Chicago Recommendations (NZC) -- Sir Duke (Bill Ware, Marc Ribot) upcoming in KFR? BLACK SABBATH live, NAPALM DEATH video, etc question SWANS video, SONIC YOUTH and ZORN on UK TV Cocteau Twins (was: Black Sabbath (NO ZORN CONTENT!!!)) BOREDOMS recommendations, etc RE: Cocteau Twins (NO ZORN CONTENT!!!) Re: SWANS video, SONIC YOUTH and ZORN on UK TV RE: Cocteau Twins (NO ZORN CONTENT!!!) Re: SWANS video, SONIC YOUTH and ZORN on UK TV Re: Cocteau Twins (NO ZORN CONTENT!!!) RE: Lords of CHOAS! RE: Lords of CHAOS! Re: Lords of CHAOS, etc. Re: Napalm Death recommendations? RE: Lords of CHAOS! Re: RE: Napalm Death recommendations? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:14:04 -0400 From: "David Beardsley" Subject: Re: SABBATH - ----- Original Message ----- From: Marcin Gokieli ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Beardsley" > > > > The album with Purples Ian Gillan, Never Say Die is great too. He was > Jesus > > in the original > > London cast production of Jesus Christ Superstar (I think) and after his > > 1st gig with Deep Purple, he ended up in Black Sabbath. Hee-he.... > > Geez... > don't you know that it's a bad thing to lie? ;-) > Never say die featured Ozzy, gillan's album is 'born again' - very good, > gillan has a great voice, very natural. That's right - fixate on the typo and ignore what I wrote in the previous paragraph. I mistakenly wrote Never Say Die instead of Born Again. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:17:20 -0400 From: "David Beardsley" Subject: Re: Black Sabbath (NO ZORN CONTENT!!!) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Revue des Fossiles > >Do NOT buy later albums. > > What,and miss out on ICE-T's classic contribution to straight to the cut out > bin "Forbidden" or the teleprompter reading antics of "Reunion?" Gee . . . > I even have a soft spot for the Wayne World's single sporting Dio line-up > reunion "Dehumanizer," everyone here seems to dismiss. I wouldn't dismiss Dehumanizer, I did forget it though. Another great Sabbath album. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:13:27 -0400 From: Glenn_Lea@avid.com Subject: Re: serge recs FWIW, there was an article in the Sunday NYTimes about him: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/26/arts/26ROSE.html?searchpv=day02 Glenn Lea - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:32:49 -0400 From: "Neil H. Enet" Subject: CARCASS DVD (Was: ND recommendations?) >Speaking of Earache DVD, anyone seen the new Carcass disc >yet? Two live >sets plus music videos is what I've heard about it, but >I've never found it >in stores locally - only Cathedral, which frankly don't do >much for me. - --------------- I have this DVD. I have to admit that I was a huge CARCASS fan some years ago, then I lost interest, but recently I started to listen to it again. The DVD is not that great IMO. The promotional videos are really bad, maybe the two big-budget ones, "Heartwork and No Love Lost", are OK, but not great. the two live shows are better, one from the NECROTICISM period (GODS OF GRIND tour) and another one from the SYMPHONIES album (GRINDCRUSHER tour). I think the one that's more interesting is the GRINDCRUSHER one, where you can see that the band is still in a more rough kind of playing ... although nobody moves, they just stay where they are and play through 6 or 7 songs. It's also pretty good to see the vocal interaction between Jeff Walker and Bill Steer, where Jeff has two mics with different effects. If you're a big CARCASS fan, get it ... since I lost a lot of interest in the band, I think I can live without it. It's gonna be some time before I see it again. Neil H. Enet - ------------ NP. Depeche Mode - In Your Room (single) - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:31:56 -0400 From: "Kim, Pei-Yi" Subject: -- Chicago Recommendations (NZC) -- Dear music lovers, I will be headed to the Windy City of Chicago for the first time ever this weekend starting Thursday night. Recommendations for good live music in the general area is appreciated. I know that there is a Jazzfest in town for the weekend and would love any suggestions on which shows I should make my best attempts in hearing. Please respond to peiyi_kim@merck.com Thanks, Pei-Yi - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:42:06 -0400 From: "Sean Westergaard" Subject: RE: -- Chicago Recommendations (NZC) -- Fred Anderson has a cool club called the Velvet Lounge on South Indiana. There's also the Empty Bottle on Western, home to VAndermark 5's weekly tuesday gigs. Be sure to stop by Jazz record Mart on 444 N. Wabash- it's a jazz lover's mecca. you can also probably get a copy of the Reader there; it's the best guide to what's going on in the city, and it's free. have fun. sean - -----Original Message----- From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Kim, Pei-Yi Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 2:32 PM To: 'zorn-list@lists.xmission.com' Subject: -- Chicago Recommendations (NZC) -- Dear music lovers, I will be headed to the Windy City of Chicago for the first time ever this weekend starting Thursday night. Recommendations for good live music in the general area is appreciated. I know that there is a Jazzfest in town for the weekend and would love any suggestions on which shows I should make my best attempts in hearing. Please respond to peiyi_kim@merck.com Thanks, Pei-Yi - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:07:26 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Sir Duke (Bill Ware, Marc Ribot) upcoming in KFR? There is mention of a set of upcoming Fall releases on the KF web site: Coming This Fall Mario Pavone Octet Hasidic New Wave Bill Ware's Vibes Bruknaum Sir Duke: Bill Ware, Marc Ribot Any idea of what the "Sir Duke" project is? Patrice. NP: ORCHESTRAL WORKS VOL. 4: Witold Lutoslawski (Naxos) NR: THE DEVILS OF LOUDUN: Huxley - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:16:23 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Gillham?= Subject: BLACK SABBATH live, NAPALM DEATH video, etc I'm wondering, did anyone else go to the BLACK SABBATH reunion gigs at the Birmingham NEC in Dec 1997? I went to the 2nd night, and to say the least, it was very surreal. Shame about the support though, it was FEAR FACTORY! The NAPALM DEATH 'Live Corruption' video is essential, as it any earlier video footage. There's always stuff on trade lists, etc. It's fairly easy to get hold of. Also worth a mention is the NAPALM DEATH feature on DEF II : SNUB TV. A very much missed programme. Any one else remember this? And the HEAVY METAL HEAVEN programme that also featured SLAYER. Both featured great interviews with the band. Again, these turn up on trade lists... ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 23:17:40 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Ricardo=20Campillo?= Subject: question I want to know if somedy lives in spain ,for interchange material about Zorn.Here,sometimes are very difficult to find things of Zorn.And more difficult to see good shows.Except this thursday: Schlippenbach Trio in my city¡¡¡ Another question:LPs recommendables of Boredoms? Thanks _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger: Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente - http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:23:00 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Gillham?= Subject: SWANS video, SONIC YOUTH and ZORN on UK TV Anyone got any early (up to and including 1986) SWANS video footage? If so, I'd be interested in buying or if something can be arranged, trading. Anyone else seen THE SOUTH BANK SHOW from early 1989 that had quite lengthy features on SONIC YOUTH and JOHN ZORN? Great programme, or at least that episode was! I'm in the UK, so the Americanos, etc on here probably haven't heard of it... ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 23:35:27 +0200 From: patRice Subject: Cocteau Twins (was: Black Sabbath (NO ZORN CONTENT!!!)) "Neil H. Enet" wrote: > Neil H. Enet > ------------ > > NP. COCTEAU TWINS: head over heels / sunburst and snowblind > Neil. Great to see someone else on the list being into this band! patRice np: Tabla Beat Science, Tala Matrix (got this in the mail today - and so far quite like it) nr: Tao Tao Liu Sanders, Dragons Gods & Spirits From Chinese Mythology - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:35:27 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Gillham?= Subject: BOREDOMS recommendations, etc BOREDOMS recommedations. Again, it's probably best to start at the beginning in chronological order. This way you can see how the band evolved and developed into what they've become today. My personal favourites are 'Onanie Bomb Meets The Sex Pistols' and 'Soul Discharge'. However, I love every BOREDOMS record. For a BOREDOMS discography, go to: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/4207/Boredoms/boredisc.htm Also highly recommended are Eye's HANATARASH and UFO OR DIE. For more information on these and many other BOREDOMS related side project, etc, go to: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/4207/Boredoms/boreside.htm ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:59:44 -0400 From: "Neil H. Enet" Subject: RE: Cocteau Twins (NO ZORN CONTENT!!!) >Great to see someone else on the list being into this band! (COCTEAU TWINS) patRice - --------------------------------- Good that you mention this, because I don't own very much of them, but I would like to go deeper into their catalog. I own the following releases: *GARLANDS *HEAD OVER HEELS (Bonus: SUNBURST AND SNOWBLIND EP) Do all of these albums come with the EP or is just somekind of special edition (My CD is french) *BLUE BELL KNOLL *HEAVEN OR LAS VEGAS *TWINLIGHTS EP I understand that the BBC collection is excellent, I would like to hear our opinions on this band releases. Neil H. Enet - ------------ NP. Depeche Mode - Songs of Faith and Devotion Live - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:57:16 -0700 From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: SWANS video, SONIC YOUTH and ZORN on UK TV > > Anyone got any early (up to and including 1986) SWANS > video footage? If so, I'd be interested in buying or > if something can be arranged, trading. > > Anyone else seen THE SOUTH BANK SHOW from early 1989 > that had quite lengthy features on SONIC YOUTH and > JOHN ZORN? Great programme, or at least that episode > was! I'm in the UK, so the Americanos, etc on here > probably haven't heard of it... > Is this the same stuff that wound up in the fiilm PUT SOME BLOOD IN THE MUSIC? skip h - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:59:45 -0400 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Cocteau Twins (NO ZORN CONTENT!!!) 'Treasure' is amazing. My first and best loved - a record that made me stop what I was doing in a record store and immediately go ask what was playing, then leave the store with it. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Kaija Saariaho, Graal Theatre, Gidon Kremer, BBC Sym/Salonen (Sony) - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 23:07:36 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Gillham?= Subject: Re: SWANS video, SONIC YOUTH and ZORN on UK TV >Is this the same stuff that wound up in the film >PUT SOME BLOOD IN THE MUSIC? Actually, yes it is. Is there more on SY and JZ in the actual film? What/who else is featured in the film? Is it available from anywhere? ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 15:10:27 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins (NO ZORN CONTENT!!!) On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:59:45 -0400 "Steve Smith" wrote: > > 'Treasure' is amazing. My first and best loved - a record that made me stop > what I was doing in a record store and immediately go ask what was playing, > then leave the store with it. I second it. "Lorelei" is one of the the most dreamy song (?) ever written! You might tried to get also the record with "Carolyn's Fingers": 100% guaranteed ear candy. Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:49:39 -0500 From: "Samuel Quentin" Subject: RE: Lords of CHOAS! hi, I noticed you mentioned Sleep. Do you (or anybody) know maybe a website where i could obtain an album by them? especially 'Jerusalem'. and how does Jerusalem compare with their other albums? thanks, Samuel If you're talking about Sabbath-like sludgecore with detuned guitars crunching down, then I would suggest Corrupted, Weakling, Sleep, Burning Witch and, on the somewhat lighter side of stoner rock, Kyuss and High On Fire. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 23:00:20 -0400 From: Lang Thompson Subject: RE: Lords of CHAOS! >That would be pop music. Those bands have basically >taken only the most easily identifiable (and >imitatable) characteristics of death metal (Cookie >Monster vocals, guitar tones, etc.) and have grafted >them onto basic pop structures. Hooray. Actually I was referring to "real" heavy metal, many of the same names that have been in this thread. I just live in a city with great noncommercial radio stations. Lang - ------------------------------------------- Adventures In Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm Outsider Music Mailing List http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm Documentary Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures/documentary.htm Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:14:16 -0500 From: "Samuel Quentin" Subject: Re: Lords of CHAOS, etc. If one likes metal related bands in this 'territory'? (What are they THINKING?/metal offshoots, etc) try Korova Kill. I really like this band. they used to be called Korova and those albums are just as good. the members are involved in more strictly metal contexts. i've heard some of it, and remember liking the member's other projects, but just can't remember the names of these bands. also, maybe somewhat related to this i guess. and probably likeable to fans of Naked City, is the Japanese black metal band Sigh. they are just great great great. well, i think i'll be checking out these Nor. post black metal bands you mentioned. thanks. -Samuel Others in this territory (Norwegian post-black metal?) are Solefald, Dodheimsgard, Fleurety ('Department of Apocalyptic Affairs' is absolutely baffling, weirder than Arcturus but not quite as good). I must say that the "what are they THINKING?" factor often weighs in on my enjoyment of these groups, but it's not the only factor, and it doesn't mean they aren't "smart" -- there's just a totally foreign sensibility at work (to my ears). It's worth noting, though, that none of these groups has much in common w/ more "techincal" stuff like Meshuggah or Dillinger Escape Plan or death metal or anything like that. Also, this stuff (Fleurety, Arcturus, etc) may be an acquired taste since there is really nothing to compare it to ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:16:16 -0700 From: Michael Howes Subject: Re: Napalm Death recommendations? >Napalm Death recommendations? Napalm Death started out not a metal band. With each successive album they got more metal and even at times death metal like. With each successive album they slowed down With each successive album they got less noisy. I'm not saying this is a bad thing....I've liked them a LOT until very recently when they just slowed down to much and seem to plod a long not slow enough to be slow and for sure a far cry from their grindcore days. I'd get....in order.... the CD that contains "Scum" from 1986/87 and "From Enslavement to Obliteration" from 1988 "Death By Manipulation" from 1991 "Utopia Banished" from 1992 "the Peal Sessions" which is actually 2 sessions if not three on one CD "Leaders Not Followers" from 1999 which is a collection of covers by ND of old Punk and hardcore they like I'll probably get under someone's skin for not mentioning "Harmony Curruption" from 1990 but I find it a bit spotty compared to the others. There are some GREAT songs but I also think there are some nothing songs.... mike - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:38:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Beddow Subject: RE: Lords of CHAOS! - --- Lang Thompson wrote: > Actually I was referring to "real" heavy metal, many > of the same names that > have been in this thread. Oh, okay. I thought for sure you were referring to the "numetal" stuff. I just live in a city > with great noncommercial > radio stations. Lucky! I've been looking for good metal shows on the radio, even though I don't listen to it all that much. It's good to know what's going on out there... Pete __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:56:43 -0500 (CDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?A?= Subject: Re: RE: Napalm Death recommendations? Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:40:32 -0400 From: "Steve Smith" Speaking of Earache DVD, anyone seen the new Carcass disc yet? Two live sets plus music videos is what I've heard about it, but I've never found it in stores locally - only Cathedral, which frankly don't do much for me. - ---------------- Carcass' "Wake Up and Smell the Carcass" came out on video in late 1996. It has almost all their clips (minus the legendary and ultra-rare "Reek of Putrefaction"), a live show from the Necroticism era which is pretty decent, and another live show from the Grindcrusher tour, circa 1989, which just sucks... or maybe that's just because I'm not the biggest fan of Symphonies of Sickness... So you could say I was minorly dissapointed when I got it. I expected it to be a bit more special/better put together... ah well. Anyway, the DVD has the exact same contents than the VHS version. If you don't have the latter, you might as well get it. A _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Obtenga su dirección de correo-e gratis @yahoo.com en http://correo.espanol.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #554 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com