From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #600 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Friday, October 26 2001 Volume 03 : Number 600 In this issue: - Re: Painkiller RE: more on Fela Re: more on Fela fela RE: fela Human Arts Ensemble Private Pressing LP / SS ebay items ending this week-end Re: RE: fela Re: RE: fela failure Re: RE: fela failure CDs- Ebay ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:34:23 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Gillham?= Subject: Re: Painkiller They are unable to return it?! I doubt very much you'd be able to buy that disc ('AMBIENT') seperately. Contact Tzadik. However, get yourself onto eBay and buy a copy of 'Execution Ground' for cheap. A copy sold for $2 last week. ____________________________________________________________ Nokia Game is on again. Go to http://uk.yahoo.com/nokiagame/ and join the new all media adventure before November 3rd. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:45:12 -0500 From: "John Thomas" Subject: RE: more on Fela This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15D6C.08B7F810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jon Abbey wrote: > > In a message dated 10/21/01 6:42:08 PM, Jeffcalt@aol.com writes: > > << I have almost all of the reissues and my favorites thusfar are > (chronologically): > > Koola Lobitos/ The '69 L.A. Sessions ('64-69) > Open & Close/ Afrodisiac ('71-73) > Expensive Shit/ He Miss Road ('75) > Zombie ('76-77) > Coffin for the Head of State/ Unknown Soldier ('79-80) >> > > I've got all 25 Barclay reissue CDs also, and while there's > not a true dud > amongst them, the only ones of Paul's choices I'd agree are > among the top > echelon are Expensive Shit/He Miss Road (maybe the best > single starter disc), > and Coffin For the Head Of State/Unknown Soldier. others I'd > rank in my own > top group: Confusion/Gentleman, Everything Scatter/Noise For > Vendor Mouth, > Ikoyi Blindness/Kalakuta Show, Opposite People/Sorrow Tears > and Blood, > Shuffering and Shmiling/No Agreement, Stalemate/Fear Not For > Man, and Yellow > Fever/Na Poi. there's not one of them I'm not glad I have, > although I can't > say I listen to the one with Ginger Baker too much. > Thanks for the recommendations...I see unfortunately the one I had originally asked about _Excuse-O/Monkey Banana_ did not show up in your lists though. Do any of these releases have a sound similar to EO/MB? I do not want to buy 25 Fela discs to find out. :) Thanks John - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15D6C.08B7F810 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: more on Fela

Jon Abbey wrote:
> > In a message dated 10/21/01 6:42:08 PM, Jeffcalt@aol.com writes:
>
> << I have almost all of the reissues and my favorites thusfar are
> (chronologically):
>
> Koola Lobitos/ The '69 L.A. Sessions ('64-69)
> Open & Close/ Afrodisiac ('71-73)
> Expensive Shit/ He Miss Road ('75)
> Zombie ('76-77)
> Coffin for the Head of State/ Unknown Soldier ('79-80) >>
>
> I've got all 25 Barclay reissue CDs also, and while there's
> not a true dud
> amongst them, the only ones of Paul's choices I'd agree are
> among the top
> echelon are Expensive Shit/He Miss Road (maybe the best
> single starter disc),
> and Coffin For the Head Of State/Unknown Soldier. others I'd
> rank in my own
> top group: Confusion/Gentleman, Everything Scatter/Noise For
> Vendor Mouth,
> Ikoyi Blindness/Kalakuta Show, Opposite People/Sorrow Tears
> and Blood,
> Shuffering and Shmiling/No Agreement, Stalemate/Fear Not For
> Man, and Yellow
> Fever/Na Poi. there's not one of them I'm not glad I have,
> although I can't
> say I listen to the one with Ginger Baker too much.
>

Thanks for the recommendations...I see unfortunately the one
I had originally asked about _Excuse-O/Monkey Banana_ did not
show up in your lists though.

Do any of these releases have a sound similar to EO/MB? I do not
want to buy 25 Fela discs to find out. :)

Thanks
John

- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15D6C.08B7F810-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:52:55 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: more on Fela In a message dated 10/25/01 11:47:18 AM, jgthomas@nortelnetworks.com writes: << Do any of these releases have a sound similar to EO/MB? I do not want to buy 25 Fela discs to find out. :) >> all 25 basically have a similar sound, except for the first few chronologically, which are shorter pieces. the ones I listed are the ones I feel are most successful. offhand, I don't know how any of them compare directly to EO/MB, sorry. if that's what you're most interested in, find one from the same time period, and you'll be all set. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:32:41 -0700 From: mwisckol@ocregister.com Subject: fela 1. the new MCA "reissue" of Army Arangement is not the Laswell production but apparently the raw tapes that Laswell used in making the Army Arrangement that appeared, I believe, on Celluloid. Little is gained by these the full-length versions of the the title track and Gov't Chicken Boy - -- a bit long and wandering. I prefer the Celluloid versions. 2. "Zombie" is a classic. "Koolitas Lobos/69 LA Sessions" is early, formulative stuff -- quaint blend of Latin jazz, calypso, highlife, R&B with Fela on vocals and trumpet -- and his first Afrobeat recordings. I also like the perky disco backbeat on "2000 Blacks" with Roy Ayers -- I think the album was called "Music of Many Colours." 3. I haven't heard the MCA "No Agreement." But the version that appears on Shanachie -- a best of CD called, I believe, "Black Man's Cry," features a delightful trumpet solo by Lester Bowie. Anybody know of any other Bowie with Fela? - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 14:31:06 -0400 From: "Sean Westergaard" Subject: RE: fela 1. the new MCA "reissue" of Army Arangement is not the Laswell production but apparently the raw tapes that Laswell used in making the Army Arrangement that appeared, I believe, on Celluloid. Little is gained by these the full-length versions of the the title track and Gov't Chicken Boy - -- a bit long and wandering. I prefer the Celluloid versions. i believe Fela's quote regarding the celluloid issue was something to the effect of "Being imprisoned by the Nigerian Government is nothing compared to what Bill Laswell did to my music." - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 22:47:08 -0400 From: Rick Lopez Subject: Human Arts Ensemble Private Pressing LP / SS If anyone's interested, I just launched this: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1478823736 Thanks for looking, RL - ---------- [ All of the below and much more at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k ] Sessionographies : CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies : COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; THREADGILL; WORKMAN. Also : --Samuel Beckett Eulogy; Baseball & the 10,000 Things; Time Stops; LOVETORN; HARD BOIL; ETC., WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : LUCILLE / A Reverential Journal of the Care of the Beloved Hag - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 04:46:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Raoul Rabut Subject: ebay items ending this week-end - --0-1640690495-1004096810=:39324 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii These items are ending soon on eBay. I just wanted to make sure you had noticed them. A French spoken word double LP for children, with background music by Philip Glass, Igor Wakhevitch, Henri Torgue, Karlheinz Stockhausen, Pierre Henry, Laurie Anderson, King Sunny Ade, Cluster & Eno amongst others http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1477187137 The Relative Band "85" LP. Rare LP. Great improvisation super group with Eugene Chadbourne, David Moss, John Rose, Steve Moore, Gillian McGregor and Jim Denley. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1477188358 Freddie Hubbard "Groovy" LP. Great recordings from 1961. Amazing cover artwork. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1477189354 Pierre Henry's "Apocalypse de Jean vol. III" LP. An original Philips "Prospective 21° siècle" pressing, with silver cover. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1477191043 Two very rare Jef Gilson items (the grandfather of French free jazz?) The first is an ultra-rare LP titled "Oeil vision", released in the 60's at an exhibition by the painter Guy Harloff (art brut-related). It features a very early appearance by Jean-Luc Ponty! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1477200234 Then there's a Jef Gilson 7"EP, titled "Louez Diey" and featuring Bernard Lubat, Eddy Louiss, Guy Pedersen, Jean Schultheis etc. That's a religious record wit vocals by Christiane Oriol. Fans of Magma beware: here you have an amazing LP by the French poet Henri Gougaud featuring: Teddy Lasry, Jannick Top, Bernard Lubat, Claude Olmos and André Dauchy! Notable zeuhl influences on some tracks! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1477196646 Sorry for the long message. Thanks to all of you. Raoul. - --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. - --0-1640690495-1004096810=:39324 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii These items are ending soon on eBay. I just wanted to make sure you had noticed them.

A French spoken word double LP for children, with background music by Philip Glass, Igor Wakhevitch, Henri Torgue, Karlheinz Stockhausen, Pierre Henry, Laurie Anderson, King Sunny Ade, Cluster & Eno amongst others
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1477187137

The Relative Band "85" LP. Rare LP. Great improvisation super group with Eugene Chadbourne, David Moss, John Rose, Steve Moore, Gillian McGregor and Jim Denley.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1477188358

Freddie Hubbard "Groovy" LP. Great recordings from 1961. Amazing cover artwork.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1477189354

Pierre Henry's "Apocalypse de Jean vol. III" LP. An original Philips "Prospective 21° siècle" pressing, with silver cover.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1477191043

Two very rare Jef Gilson items (the grandfather of French free jazz?)
The first is an ultra-rare LP titled "Oeil vision", released in the 60's at an exhibition by the painter Guy Harloff (art brut-related). It features a very early appearance by Jean-Luc Ponty!
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1477200234

Then there's a Jef Gilson 7"EP, titled "Louez Diey" and featuring Bernard Lubat, Eddy Louiss, Guy Pedersen, Jean Schultheis etc. That's a religious record wit vocals by Christiane Oriol.
<http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1477194476>

Fans of Magma beware: here you have an amazing LP by the French poet Henri Gougaud featuring: Teddy Lasry, Jannick Top, Bernard Lubat, Claude Olmos and André Dauchy! Notable zeuhl influences on some tracks!
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1477196646

Sorry for the long message. Thanks to all of you.

Raoul.


Do You Yahoo!?
Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. - --0-1640690495-1004096810=:39324-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:50:53 -0400 From: ssmith36@sprynet.com Subject: Re: RE: fela To which Laswell reportedly replied something to the effect that Fela wanted his saxophone solos preserved on record, he should "learn to play the fucking thing," or something like that. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - King Crimson, "Cat Food," 'Mirrors' (Wild Bird boot) Sean Westergaard wrote: > 1. the new MCA "reissue" of Army Arangement is not the Laswell production but apparently the raw tapes that Laswell used in making the Army Arrangement that appeared, I believe, on Celluloid. Little is gained by these the full-length versions of the the title track and Gov't Chicken Boy - -- a bit long and wandering. I prefer the Celluloid versions. i believe Fela's quote regarding the celluloid issue was something to the effect of "Being imprisoned by the Nigerian Government is nothing compared to what Bill Laswell did to my music." - - - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:36:45 +0000 From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Re: RE: fela failure >From: ssmith36@sprynet.com > > >To which Laswell reportedly replied something to the effect that Fela >wanted his saxophone solos preserved on record, he should "learn to play >the fucking thing," or something like that. Maybe Bill should be working on his own bass playing chops instead of criticising and 're-con-stricting' other artists' musical works! Emerald Aether indeed... np: Miles Davis Complete In A Silent Way Sessions _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:55:49 -0400 From: "Matthew Mitchell" Subject: Re: RE: fela failure - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Indeed, quite an indictment from Laswell, of all people! Any comments on the Miles box of the month? - -matt - ----- Original Message ----- From: thomas chatterton To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Sent: 10/26/01 1:36:45 PM Subject: Re: RE: fela failure From: ssmith36@sprynet.com To which Laswell reportedly replied something to the effect that Fela wanted his saxophone solos preserved on record, he should "learn to play the fucking thing," or something like that. Maybe Bill should be working on his own bass playing chops instead of criticising and 're-con-stricting' other artists' musical works! Emerald Aether indeed... np: Miles Davis Complete In A Silent Way Sessions _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - - - --- Matthew Mitchell - --- matmi@earthlink.net - --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Indeed, quite an indictment from Laswell, of all people!
 
Any comments on the Miles box of the month?
 
-matt
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 10/26/01 1:36:45 PM
Subject: Re: RE: fela failure

>
>
>To which Laswell reportedly replied something to the effect that Fela
>wanted his saxophone solos preserved on record, he should "learn to play
>the fucking thing," or something like that.
 
Maybe Bill should be working on his own bass playing chops instead of
criticising and 're-con-stricting' other artists' musical works! Emerald
Aether indeed...
 
np: Miles Davis Complete In A Silent Way Sessions
 
 
 
 
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Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
 
 
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- ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:29:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Novak Subject: CDs- Ebay Hi. I've seen it done before and I hope I'm not upsetting anyone, but I have several discs for bid on Ebay that people here might be interested in. - ---Louis Sclavis- L'affrontement des pretendants - ---Mats Gustafsson, Barry Guy- Frogging - ---Arcana- Arc of the Testimony - ---Fushitsusha- Pathetique - ---Butcher, Bailey, Davies- Vortices and Angels - ---John Zorn- First Recordings 1973 Thanks much. I might add a few more very soon too. Most of these are pretty well respected albums, but I knew my local record store wouldn't know that, so I thought I'd try this. - ---Ryan Novak __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #600 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com