From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #601 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Monday, October 29 2001 Volume 03 : Number 601 In this issue: - kicking a dead fela Re: ebay items ending this week-end Re: kicking a dead fela Re: kicking a dead fela fela & laswell Recommended Re: fela & laswell Rhodri Davies Re: Re: kicking a dead fela Re: Rhodri Davies [no jz] "new" monk Sex Mob, Alvin Brown, & Savoy Brown Music Site Matt W. Masada discs for sale Re: Rhodri Davies Re: [no jz] "new" monk Re: [no jz] "new" monk Slam Slan (was: Slam) Humair/Ducret/Eskelin/Chevillon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:42:21 -0700 From: mwisckol@ocregister.com Subject: kicking a dead fela i'd take laswell on bass over fela on sax in my band any day. for years, i thought i was just running into the albums where fela the saxist was having an off day. and i like his music -- just can't get too worked up about his sax playing. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:43:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Novak Subject: Re: ebay items ending this week-end Wow, how strange. Just after posting my ebay stuff and wondering if that was cool, eBay popped up in three other messages in my digest. Okay. - ---Ryan Novak __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 21:01:56 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: kicking a dead fela In a message dated 10/26/01 8:43:17 PM, mwisckol@ocregister.com writes: << i'd take laswell on bass over fela on sax in my band any day. for years, i thought i was just running into the albums where fela the saxist was having an off day. and i like his music -- just can't get too worked up about his sax playing. >> yeah, his sax playing's not technically good, but so what? I'd take any two fela discs over laswell's entire career, anything he's ever been involved with in any capacity. emotion over technique, baby. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 19:36:02 -0700 From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: kicking a dead fela > yeah, his sax playing's not technically good, but so what? I'd take any two > fela discs over laswell's entire career, anything he's ever been involved > with in any capacity. emotion over technique, baby. > > Jon > www.erstwhilerecords.com > Personally, I've never understood the fanaticism that some people have for Laswell. There's some okay stuff, but I've never really fell for him. That new record he did with Herbie didn't really help matters, either. But Fela, even when he's not great, he's interesting. skip h - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 08:46:02 +0000 From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: fela & laswell I never really understood Laswell's disdain for Fela's sax. I've been listening a lot to the box set, and it seems to me that Fela's music gets better every year, more poignant and funky than much of what passes for popular music these days. Laswell had to love Fela's politics as well. If there was ever an artist who lived his politics everyday and paid the price for it, it was Fela. On the other hand, I never much understood Fela's disdain for Laswell's production of "Army Arrangement." I'm listening to "Cross Examination" right now and I think what Laswell did with using Bernie Worrell, Aieyb Dieng, and Sly Dunbar in the studio remix was completely additive in terms of the spirit of the original. It's a great song--particularly the refrain about speaking English for the benefit of foreigners. NP: "Cross Examination," Fela Kuti, "Deconstruction: The Celluloid Recordings," Produced by Bill Laswell, Celluloid - ----------- "Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - --Hitler's #2 Man, Hermann Goering _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 16:09:51 +0200 (MET DST) From: stephen.fruitman@idehist.umu.se (Stephen Fruitman) Subject: Recommended A heartfelt recommendation of the first solo album by Supersilent trumpeter Arve Henrikssn on Rune Grammofon, _Sakuteiki_. Combines Jon Hassell-like breathiness and spirituality with Henrikson=B4s own studies of the Japanese shakuhachi. Delicate and engrossing. Check it out here:. All the best, Stephen Stephen Fruitman Dept of Historical Studies Ume=E5 University SE-901 87 Ume=E5 Sweden - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 18:27:09 +0000 From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Re: fela & laswell >From: "Bill Ashline" On the other hand, I never much understood >Fela's disdain for Laswell's production of "Army Arrangement." I think a big part of it was that Fela never had a chance to okay or even hear Laswell's mix before it came out. I don't mind it either (although the alternate mix is much better), but it still has that patented Laswell production sound...oh yeah, maybe if Fela had invested in a Mutron pedal, he could have disguised his sax playing the same way Bill does with his bass... np: Taj Mahal Travellers August 1974 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 15:57:04 -0400 From: ssmith36@sprynet.com Subject: Rhodri Davies Can anyone answer a potentially *delicate* question for me? Is Rhodri Davies, the wild improvising harpist who plays with Derek Bailey, John Butcher and Simon Fell, the same person as Rhodri Davies, the harpist who plays with Welsh "popera" warbler Charlotte Church? I've just gotta know... Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Masayuki Takayanagi/Kaoru Abe, "1," 'Mass Projection' (DIW) - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 16:03:45 -0400 From: ssmith36@sprynet.com Subject: Re: Re: kicking a dead fela JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote (about choosing Fela over Laswell): > emotion over technique, baby. The first part seems accurate, anyway. I like numerous things by Laswell, but "technique" is about the last term that comes to my mind in describing any of them, unless you're talking about the technique displayed by many of his sidemen (like Buckethead, for whatever that's worth). "Emotion" wouldn't be right, either, as you suggest. How about intuition? Instinct? Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Takayanagi/Abe, "1," 'Mass Projection' (DIW) ... great swarming gobs of emotion... - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 16:54:47 -0400 From: "Brian Olewnick" Subject: Re: Rhodri Davies > Is Rhodri Davies, the wild improvising harpist who plays with Derek Bailey, John Butcher and Simon Fell, the same person as Rhodri Davies, the harpist who plays with Welsh "popera" warbler Charlotte Church? Unless there's a Davies clan in the Welsh hills bringing forth hordes of harpists named Rhodri, gotsta be, I would think, though I can't say for a fact. Great player though and seeing him with the IST trio earlier this year was a joy. Brian Olewnick NP: Muhal - Things to Come from Those Now Gone NR: Grass - Too Far Afield - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 16:55:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Albrecht Koschnik Subject: [no jz] "new" monk Greetings! Columbia Legacy is dropping several "new" Thelonious Monk sets on us: has anybody listened to all or some of these, and cares to comment? I am especially interested to her about "Live at the Jazzworkshop": this appears to have been recorded right around the date at the It Club ("Live at ..."), with the same line up. How do these compare? What do we learn from the Jazzworkshop recording, what tunes do we hear (in exciting versions?!) that don't appear on the It Club set? Some reviewers are pretty critical of "Monk in Tokyo": in particular, the rhythm section doesn't cut it, compared to Gales/Riley. Comments? Legacy also released a three CD box covering Monk's CBS recordings. So far I've been reluctant to buy any of Monk's CBS discs--other than Live at the It Club and the complete solo recordings--in the believe that the rest don't really compare to his earlier recordings and that he's primarily recycling his own compositions, with fewer and fewer new inventions. So, is the box worth it? Or are there individual disk you'd recommend? Thanks in advance, Albrecht - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 02:17:10 EST From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Sex Mob, Alvin Brown, & Savoy Brown Just back from a great Sex Mob show in Columbia, SC. They've been here on 2 other occasions and this is the first time I was not working and had the chance to go. Everything but the kitchen sink, is the best way to describe it- about 90 minutes of non-stop music- a mixture of Monk, funk, mayhem, and Britney Spears (a classic 10+ minute version of "Oops, I Did It Again"). Great show Earlier in the day had some absolutely smokin' electric blues by Alvin Brown followed by Savoy Brown at MLK Park. Two shows like this on the same day is a rarity for this city. Man, I'm beat... - -- =dg= - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 02:47:02 -0500 From: "&c." Subject: Music Site This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0090_01C15F5A.D2558580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There's a music ordering site out there that boasts to have anything = that one may desire. I've ordered CDs from there before, but I can't = remember the name of the site to save my life. Can any one help. Zach - ------=_NextPart_000_0090_01C15F5A.D2558580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Matt Plummer www.boulderjazz.org - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 13:22:49 EST From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Masada discs for sale so, after being given a copy of the recent double disc of Masada live at Tonic, I've decided that I don't need any other Masada discs in my collection. not necessarily because that one's better (although what I've heard so far sounds pretty good), but because two-plus hours of Masada is as much as I need. therefore, I'm selling: Alef, Beit, Gimel, Dalet, Hei, Vav, Zayin, Het (I feel like I'm back in Hebrew school)-$10 apiece plus shipping the bootleg disc on Jazz Door with Kenny Wollesen replacing Joey Baron from a 1994 NYC show which Zorn got recalled-$20 plus shipping contact me privately to reserve these if you're interested, and for what the shipping charges will be for you specifically. first come, first serve. sorry for the intrusion, not that there's too much going on here these days. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 14:41:20 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Rhodri Davies Steve: Yup one and the same. Got this from John Butcher. Think of it as Clark terry playing in the Tonight Show band, Bud Shank playing "California Dreamin'" with the Mamas and Papas and Mark Feldman doing Nashville session work. Ya gotta eat. Ken - --- ssmith36@sprynet.com wrote: > Can anyone answer a potentially *delicate* question > for me? > > Is Rhodri Davies, the wild improvising harpist who > plays with Derek Bailey, John Butcher and Simon > Fell, the same person as Rhodri Davies, the harpist > who plays with Welsh "popera" warbler Charlotte > Church? > > I've just gotta know... > > Steve Smith > ssmith36@sprynet.com > NP - Masayuki Takayanagi/Kaoru Abe, "1," 'Mass > Projection' (DIW) > > > - > _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 14:47:43 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: [no jz] "new" monk Albrecht: It all depends whether you're a completist or a dilettante. By the time he signed with Columbia, Monk's standard set and personnel was pretty much set. So if you're looking for something new and different from what he did at Riverside etc., I'd only go for the Big Band double CD. If, however, you want to minutely examine the variations he brought to his work -- some folks like Evan Parker do so with Trane -- then the Columbias offer new, minor variations of what came before. Ken Waxman - --- Albrecht Koschnik wrote: > > Greetings! > > Columbia Legacy is dropping several "new" Thelonious > Monk sets on us: has > anybody listened to all or some of these, and cares > to comment? > > I am especially interested to her about "Live at the > Jazzworkshop": this > appears to have been recorded right around the date > at the It Club ("Live > at ..."), with the same line up. How do these > compare? What do we learn > from the Jazzworkshop recording, what tunes do we > hear (in exciting > versions?!) that don't appear on the It Club set? > > Some reviewers are pretty critical of "Monk in > Tokyo": in particular, the > rhythm section doesn't cut it, compared to > Gales/Riley. Comments? > > Legacy also released a three CD box covering Monk's > CBS recordings. So > far I've been reluctant to buy any of Monk's CBS > discs--other than Live at > the It Club and the complete solo recordings--in the > believe that the > rest don't really compare to his earlier recordings > and that he's > primarily recycling his own compositions, with fewer > and fewer new > inventions. So, is the box worth it? Or are there > individual disk you'd > recommend? > > Thanks in advance, Albrecht > > - > _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:05:33 -0800 From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: [no jz] "new" monk > Albrecht: > > It all depends whether you're a completist or a > dilettante. > > By the time he signed with Columbia, Monk's standard > set and personnel was pretty much set. So if you're > looking for something new and different from what he > did at Riverside etc., I'd only go for the Big Band > double CD. If, however, you want to minutely examine > the variations he brought to his work -- some folks > like Evan Parker do so with Trane -- then the > Columbias offer new, minor variations of what came > before. > > > Ken Waxman Personally -- as a Monk completist -- I almost always find the 1960's recordings to be my favorites, no matter what the tunes. Monk and Rouse just had the right approach to each other and the material. I reach for the Rouse stuff more than any other, with Coleman Hawkins and Sonny Rollins tied close for second. skip h np: Wynonie Harris, "Lollipop Mama" - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:40:59 From: "annemarie jansen" Subject: Slam Hi everybody, hope you're doing fine! I just read something in an article by Barry McRae that made me curious, hope someone has some info for me. The articles said: ..... "His (Zorn's) initial introduction to the British audiences was in 1990 at the Outside-In Festival in Crawley, he presented his (then) new group Slam. In the programme, he claimed that this was a 'Jewish heavy metal band' and in joining forces with Sharp and Epstein he endorsed the point."..... Does anybody know more about this band? Hope to hear from you! Best wishes, bye, Anne _________________________________________________________________ Download MSN Explorer gratis van http://explorer.msn.nl/intl.asp - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:59:11 +0100 From: patRice Subject: Slan (was: Slam) Hi Anne! > > > ..... "His (Zorn's) initial introduction to the British audiences was in > 1990 at the Outside-In Festival in Crawley, If I'm not mistaken, he'd been introduced to British audiences earlier than that. Didn't he appear during Derek Bailey's Company Week prior to 1990? > he presented his (then) new > group Slam. In the programme, he claimed that this was a 'Jewish heavy metal > band' and in joining forces with Sharp and Epstein he endorsed the > point."..... > > Does anybody know more about this band? They were called "Slan". I've never seen them live, and there's no album available. They did however appear on a Knitting Factory compilation. (Was it "Live at the K.F. Vol. 3"?) Yours, patRice np: Henry Mancini, Charade OST nr: Yoshitoshi's 100 Aspects Of The Moon - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:16:35 +0100 From: Pascal Cortes Subject: Humair/Ducret/Eskelin/Chevillon Hello listers ! The french label "Sketch Records" has something out this month that sounds really nice (I should get my copy within 1 or 2 days): "Libert=E9 Surveill=E9e", (ske333018), a 2CD set recorded live by the Daniel Humair Quartet (Daniel Humair, dms; Marc Ducret, elg; Bruno Chevillon, b) with Ellery Eskelin as a guest on all tracks. This was recorded by the "4tet +1" live at the "Centre Culturel Suisse", after a few concerts and rehearsals in Paris. Critics here in France are unanimous: great CD. You will find a review and an article on the sessions by Philippe Meziat -in french- on JazzMagazine's website: http://www.jazzmagazine.com/Musique/DisqEmoi/disqemoi.htm ).=20 Maybe not not as "out" as usually with Ducret or Eskelin, but... In France, Sketch records are distributed by Harmonia Mundi..... elsewhere, I honestly don't know, but for those interested, they have an e-mail= address: sketch@easynet.fr Pascal (no personal or financial interest in the label, etc). - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #601 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. 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