From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #608 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Wednesday, November 7 2001 Volume 03 : Number 608 In this issue: - Lizard Bassist (was RE: Tomahawk opinions wanted) Ra. rec. and question Re: About Douglas live Fwd: About Douglas live Re: the legendary hassan John Zorn Live????? Re: John Zorn Live????? Speed RE: Speed Fwd: Re: Speed Re: John Zorn Live????? RE: Speed Thanks... New Brotherhood of Breath Re: New Brotherhood of Breath Re: New Brotherhood of Breath Re: New Brotherhood of Breath ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey) Subject: Lizard Bassist (was RE: Tomahawk opinions wanted) * "Alan Marshall" >I really liked Jesus Lizard but this album is a bit average :( ... >it's actually Duane Denison's(Jesus Lizard's bassist) band, >he got Patton to sing. Never woulda thunk anyone would mistake Denison for the mighty Wm. Sims, but ... (Denison = guitar, Sims = bass ;-). - -P - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 09:41:38 -0400 From: mwoodwor Subject: Ra. rec. and question Hi - I can't remember if anyone has mentioned the Sun Ra album yet - 'Outer Spaceways Incorporated' on the Freedom label (I think). I'll also second the rec. for the 'make a joyful noise' movie- very entertaining. Does anyone know if there is a soundtrack per se for this video. There is one song that is on it (played right at the end if I remember correctly) where the whole band dances around the audience and does this chant/hopping procession thing (kinda like - daaaaa, da da, da, da, da da, dah dah)that sounds really good and has often got stuck in my head, but I don't know the name of the tune, or if it is available on any official recording. Also, everyone - go buy Gregg Bendian's Interzone - REquim for Jack Kirby - loaded with amazing music. mike. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 12:51:01 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: About Douglas live Pat: The four recorded a (long-delayed) CD for Songlines last year, but no sign of it yet. They also played together as a band in New York and other places. Douglas, Bennink and Mengelberg have also played together as a trio. I saw them at the Guelph Jazz Festival a couple of years ago and was disappointed. Douglas and Mengelberg together were fine, but Bennink seemed to be (noisily) playing off in a corner by himself and often drowned out the other two. Ken Waxman - --- patbor wrote: > Hello, > > 1) saw that Dave Douglas will be playing > in Torino, Italy March 2 with Mengelberg > Jones, Bennik. saw that there are no > studio recordings with this group, only > Douglas-Bennik and Douglas-Mengelberg. > Anyone has further info about these 4 > musicians together? > > 2) Douglas will be also touring with > Trisha Brown. The ensemble's line up > seems a lot like charms of the night > sky, is the dance performance based > on that kind of sound? > > Thanks > Patb > > - > _______________________________________________________ Build your own website for free and in minutes at http://ca.geocities.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 18:51:02 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Fwd: About Douglas live > > Hello, > > 1) saw that Dave Douglas will be playing > in Torino, Italy March 2 with Mengelberg > Jones, Bennik. saw that there are no > studio recordings with this group, only > Douglas-Bennik and Douglas-Mengelberg. > Anyone has further info about these 4 > musicians together? Hi, If my memory serves, Brad Jones was also featured as a part of the Misha Mengelberg Trio in Avant's "Who's Bridge", along with Joey Baron. Best, Efrén _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:09:05 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: the legendary hassan Skip: Do a Web search. Seems to be there's biographical info on him in a site called Jazz in Philadelphia or soem such. Ken Waxman - --- Skip Heller wrote: > Just found the Atlantic Max Roach album featuring > this guy, Hassan Ibn Ali. > I know he played with the Three Strings (and was > replaced by Ahmad Jamal). > Does anyone else know anything at all about him? > > skip heller > http://www.skipheller.com > > > > - > _______________________________________________________ Build your own website for free and in minutes at http://ca.geocities.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 10:10:23 -0800 From: "darby crash" Subject: John Zorn Live????? Does anybody know where and when and if John Zorn will be playing out on tour or in NY? Does anybody have a link to any web pages that might list JZ shows? Its been a while since I've seen him play. Jeff _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:24:01 -0500 From: "Nirav Soni" Subject: Re: John Zorn Live????? > > Does anybody know where and when and if John Zorn will be playing out on > tour or in NY? The Tonic website (http://www.tonic107.com) sez he'll be playing on Nov. 13th. Myself, I'm trying to decide whether or not to check out White Out with Diamond Jim O'Rourke on the 8th. Anyone have anything to say about White Out? I know zero about the band. Nirav - -- AIM: Icefactory37 OnNow- Oval- Ovalprocess "One can not be at the same time all eye and all ear. "- Robert Bresson - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:34:18 -0500 From: "patbor" Subject: Speed Hello, Chris Speed as a composer: I know his last recording is EMIT, Songlines. I have requested it but still waiting. - - What is his music like? - - Is Songlines the only label he has recorded for (as a composer)? Thank you, PatB - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:47:41 -0500 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Speed 1. Chris Speed's music takes in equal measures of Downtown pedigree (Berne, Douglas) and eastern European folk tradition. He's also handy with a catchy tune. Each of his three Songlines discs has been better than the one before it. Cuong Vu does some terrific playing on all three. Tom Benton could give you an even better desciption than that, but we have't heard from him in a long time now... 2. Chris recorded one disc, 'Iffy,' for the Knitting Factory label. He stuck to clarinet for the disc, backed by Jamie Saft and Ben Perowsky. Reviews were mixed, and the sound is more raw and in-your-face than most jazz recordings, on purpose. Speaking of the Knit, their label seems to be well and truly up and running again - I've gotten four or five recent releases, the best of which is Cuong Vu's new 'Come Play With Me,' which reunites him with Stomu Takeishi and John Hollenbeck. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of patbor Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 1:34 PM To: Zorn list Subject: Speed Hello, Chris Speed as a composer: I know his last recording is EMIT, Songlines. I have requested it but still waiting. - - What is his music like? - - Is Songlines the only label he has recorded for (as a composer)? Thank you, PatB - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 18:55:36 +0000 From: "Kurt Gottschalk" Subject: Fwd: >From: kurt gottschalk >Reply-To: kurtg@jumparts.org >To: ecstasymule@hotmail.com >Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 10:54:23 -0800 (PST) > >JumpArts and Neues Kabarett present >The Better Bridges Festival >at The Brecht Forum >122 W. 27th St. 10th floor >NYC > >Friday November 9th > >7:30pm Causes and Consequences >Open discussion facilitated by Mary Boger and Biju Mathew >Mary Boger is an international solidarity activist in the Middle East, the >Caribbean, Latin America and East Timor and is writing a dissertation on >the realities of living in a Palestinian Ghetto in Israel after living >there for four years. >Biju Mathew is an activist working with the Forum of Indian Leftists, New >York Taxi Workers Alliance and the Youth Solidarity Summer. > >9pm Movement & words >Dancers Makiko, Ashley Searles, Jennifer Kjos, Marija Krtolica >poet Eliot Katz >with Sabir Mateen, David Brandt music > >10pm Untempered Ensemble, minus 1 >Bill Cole, Warren Smith, Joe Daley, William Parker, Cooper-Moore, Sam >Furnace > >11pm Quantum Group >Charles Waters, Matt LaVelle, Suzanne Chen > >Saturday November 10th > >7:30pm Groups Taking Action >Organizing for a more peaceful and tolerant world >Invited organizations include: Arab American Family Support Center, Jews >for Racial & Economic Justice, Taxi Workers Alliance, New York: Not in Our >Name Coalition, Brooklyn Poster Brigade, DRUMM, and others. >Q & A to follow. > >9pm Dave Brandt's Gaia Consort >Shoko Nagai, Stuart Bogie, Matt LaVelle, Terrence Murren >with Luciana Achugar, Levi Gonzalez dance > >10pm Billy Bang & Frank Lowe Duo > >11pm Jordan McLean's Fire of Space >Steve Swell, Stuart Bogie, Shoko Nagai, Geoff Mann, Michael Herbst > >Sunday November 11th > >7:30pm Dr. Mansour Farhang >Terrorism and Anti-Americanism >Dr. Farhang is a former United Nations ambassador from Iran and is >currently a professor of Diplomatic History/International Relations at >Bennington College in Vermont and an advisory board member of >Middle East Watch, a branch of Human Rights Watch. Q & A to follow. > >9pm Okkyung Lee's Miro Trio >Ori Kaplan, Tom Abbs > >10pm The Andrew Lamb Trio >Will Halsey, Ardrei Strobert, Hill Greene > >11pm Andrew Bemkey & Andrew Barker Duo > >All performances and lectures taking place >@ The Brecht Forum >122 West 27th Street 10th Floor, Manhattan >1/9 to 28th, C/E to 23rd, F to 23rd, 6 to 28th, N/R to 28th > >$8 -12 >per night >Sliding scale > > > > >_____________________________________________________________ >Get a free "Jump Mail" account. >Free e-mail for artists & art lovers! >Log on to http://JumpArts.org _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 00:05:13 +0100 From: "Remco Takken" Subject: Re: Speed > Hello, > > Chris Speed as a composer: > > - What is his music like? > Speed dives deeply into eastern european stuff akin to klezmer: bulgarian, turkish etc. His jazz influences intermingles with the worldmusic stuff, and he seems to love long and slow phrases, when he approaches a selfpenned jazz melody. His EMIT contains some great examples, next to his earlier solo album 'Deviantics', for he touches upon different styles he explores with his close colleagues. One of Speed's great goals is to create really different atmospheres with the help of a relatively small circle of musicians around him. They are: Brad Shepik, Jim Black, Skuli Sverrisson, Cuong Vu, most of them originally out of Seattle, like Speed. So it is very interesting to check out titles outside of Speed's own relatively small solo catalogue: his ambitions in music go far beyond 'solo projects'. I haven't heard the group Human Feel myself, but Speed talks affectionately about this band, his first group. Human Feel made two cds on Songlines. The bands Pachora and Jim Black AlasNoAxis tell a lot about Speeds musical thinking. To dive deeper into the scene Speed is coming from, it is also rewarding to check out Brad Shepik's The Well, and The Loan, as well as Skuli Sverrissons album Seremonie (on Extreme records). NB: Speed does not play on those last three, but it is the whole scene that is the point here. > - Is Songlines the only label he has > recorded for (as a composer)? > I know Pachora is on the Knitting Factory label, he collaborates a lot with Brad Shepik in that group, but also brings in 'All Speed'-titles. I think they have 3 cds out on KF. Their title 'AST' sounds great in my ears. Hope this helps Remco Takken - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:59:01 -0500 From: "Jesse Kudler" Subject: Re: John Zorn Live????? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nirav Soni" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 1:24 PM Subject: Re: John Zorn Live????? > Myself, I'm trying to decide whether or not to check out White Out with > Diamond Jim O'Rourke on the 8th. Anyone have anything to say about White > Out? I know zero about the band. It's Lin Culbertson on keyboards and some other stuff (autoharp? flute?) and Tom Surgal on drums. He's played with Thurston Moore, Arthur Doyle and sundry other NYC free jazz types. I saw White Out at least once, maybe more. I distincly remember seeing them with Kevin Drumm a year or two ago. Pretty nice, definite free-jazz bias in contrast to Mr. Drumm's stuff. I.E. Surgal's drumming is pretty neatly post Sunny Murray, Rashied Ali, etc. I've heard bits of the White Out/O'Rourke CD on Ecstatic Peace. Very busy and almost psych-rocky at times. Lots of goofy digital noises and beeps and so forth. O'Rourke plays computer and guitar both. For what it's worth. . . - -Jesse - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:12:59 -0500 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Speed Very nice evaluation of Speed's work, Remco. Human Feel only made one disc for Songlines, as well as one for New World, one for GM, and one self-released on the "Human Use" label (that's in reverse chronological order, BTW). You can find more information on all of them in Speed's discography at www.screwgunrecords.com, assuming that those pages have been left up since I handed the page off. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Remco Takken >I haven't heard the group Human Feel myself, but Speed talks affectionately about this band, his first group. Human Feel made two cds on Songlines. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 03:36:01 -0500 From: "patbor" Subject: Thanks... Thanks Steve Smith and Remco Takken for your precious informations about Douglas and Speed. Patb - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 11:47:23 -0600 From: Moudry Subject: New Brotherhood of Breath Just a quick, but massive, THANK YOU to Cuneiform Records for the new Chris McGregor/Brotherhood of Breath CD, Travelling somewhere. Although it will take a few weeks, the entire concert will go on my Creative Improv programme. If you haven't heard it, you're missing some very vital music. Saturnally, - -- Joe Moudry Office of Academic Computing & Technology School of Education, UAB Master of Saturn Web (Sun Ra, the Arkestra & Free Jazz); Producer/Host of Classic Jazz & Creative Improv on Alabama Public Radio WUAL 91.5 FM Tuscaloosa/Birmingham WQPR 887. FM Muscle Shoals/NW Alabama WAPR 88.3 Selma/Montgomery/Southern AL "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." --de la Vega - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 19:13:45 +0100 From: "francesco martinelli" Subject: Re: New Brotherhood of Breath Listening to it when your message arrived and shivering to the music. This is as good as it gets. A little annoyance are the liner notes, with shallow observations "there never was a trumpeter like Mongezi" and the attribution of Kongi's Theme to Wole Soyinka! Someone who's allegedly been researching these topics should know better... but the music is top Brotherhood! Francesco - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 13:20:52 -0500 From: jmcazurin Subject: Re: New Brotherhood of Breath Hello - Your comments got me all interested. I've never heard of this group though. Can you tell me what they're like? Would I be able to obtain this record in NYC? Thanks very much, mikah At 01:13 PM 11/7/2001, you wrote: >Listening to it when your message arrived and shivering to the music. This >is as good as it gets. A little annoyance are the liner notes, with shallow >observations "there never was a trumpeter like Mongezi" and the attribution >of Kongi's Theme to Wole Soyinka! Someone who's allegedly been researching >these topics should know better... but the music is top Brotherhood! I am dancing at the feet of my lord, knowing the eternal secret is this: in all worlds and lives and times, all is bliss, all is bliss, all is bliss. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 17:16:47 -0500 From: Rich Williams Subject: Re: New Brotherhood of Breath - --Boundary_(ID_gFnzLLdOoyYvLWxBBj8/ug) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >Hello - > > Your comments got me all interested. I've never heard of this >group though. Can you tell me what they're like? Would I be able to >obtain this record in NYC? It should be pretty widely available besides the usual spots(DMG, Other Music), you could always order it direct from Wayside. Their online store seems to be up and running now. (www.wayside music.com) and there is info on the band at ; http://www.cuneiformrecords.com/bandshtml/brotherhood.html. It's a fantastic disc, and if enough of us buy it maybe Steve will think about doing more in this vein. There is a great recording of the BoB offshoot group Isipingo at the same club that would make a wonderful follow-up(hint,hint) RW - --Boundary_(ID_gFnzLLdOoyYvLWxBBj8/ug) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Re: New Brotherhood of Breath
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  Your comments got me all interested. I've never heard of this group though. Can you tell me what they're like? Would I be able to obtain this record in NYC?


        It should be pretty widely available besides the usual spots(DMG, Other Music), you could always order it direct from Wayside. Their online store seems to be up and running now. (www.wayside music.com) and there is info on the band at ; http://www.cuneiformrecords.com/bandshtml/brotherhood.html.
        It's a fantastic disc, and if enough of us buy it maybe Steve will think about doing more in this vein. There is a great recording of the BoB offshoot group Isipingo at the same club that would make a wonderful follow-up(hint,hint)

RW
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