From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #625 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Monday, November 26 2001 Volume 03 : Number 625 In this issue: - re: OT: countries were music is banned Zorn-List Admin Notice [Fwd: Re: When Bernstein live?] Gjerstad help with Dave Douglas' EL TRILOGY Odp: frith question + frith news Re: Odp: frith question + frith news where to go in london? Re: where to go in london? ICP mixup A few CDs for sale Re: ICP mixup Moonraker shows, anyone? Re: ICP mixup Re: ICP Mixup Sam Rivers was RE: ICP Mixup Two questions Sam Rivers, Was: Re: ICP mixup Re: Two questions Re: ICP Mixup ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 19:52:07 +0100 From: duncan youngerman Subject: re: OT: countries were music is banned Il s'agit d'un message multivolet au format MIME. - --------------C4DB1CDEFF8C5C360CB15082 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --------------C4DB1CDEFF8C5C360CB15082 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <3BFFEC12.39B678C3@wanadoo.fr> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 19:50:59 +0100 From: duncan youngerman Reply-To: y-man@wanadoo.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Arthur Gadney Subject: Re: OT: countries were music is banned References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Arthur Gadney a écrit : > > Somebody mentioned that in all so-called fundmentalist islamic states, music > is totally forbidden. How many states is that, actually? 4 (now that Afghanistan is no longer Taliban) : Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Sudan (suniite), Iran (shiite). Music is allowed there, but under very specific conditions. I' ll try to get my friend Julian Weiss, founder of the pan-arabic ensemble El-Kindi, to give me the specifics on that if you're interested. DY. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > - - --------------C4DB1CDEFF8C5C360CB15082-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 12:51:13 -0800 (PST) From: rizzi@browbeat.com (m. rizzi) Subject: Zorn-List Admin Notice Hola, I just waded through over 1700 bounced messages for the zorn-list...there were a few that I'll be forwarding to y'all in the next couple of minutes (in case you are wondering why all these old messages are just appearing now). Most of these bounces were for the following reasons 1. the message came from an address not subscribed to the zorn-list or zorn-list-digest 2. the message was too frickin' large...usually because someone included a copy of the entire digest (forgot to trim), decided that attaching a JPEG would be cool (FYI: it's not), or included both plain text and HTML versions of their message....or just said too much. ;) 3. someone used one of several key words that the mailing list software uses to catch subscription/ unsubscription messages. Some of these keywords y'all should avoid using (if timely deliver of your message is important) are: subscribe unsubscribe cancel help thanks for listening, back to our regularly scheduled postage stamp discussions, mike rizzi zorn-list-hack-and-owner "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." -- Hunter S. Thompson - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 09:27:57 -0400 From: Bob Sweet Subject: [Fwd: Re: When Bernstein live?] Steven tours Europe with his Millenial Territory Orchestra and, I believe, Diaspora Soul. Bob Sweet bsweet@arborville.com Read Music Universe, Music Mind: Revisiting the Creative Music Studio http://www.arborville.com Subscribe to CMS Update http://www.arborville.com/subscribe.html patbor wrote: > > Hello, > > trying to find out if > STEVE BERNSTEIN tours EUROPE > frequently with or without SEX MOB > Some of you must certainly know, > maybe Jason Tors... > > Thanks, > Patb > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 19:41:20 GMT From: Parry Gettelman Subject: Gjerstad Gjerstad were supposed to be at the Zeitgeist creative music festival here in New Orleans last week, but one of the venue directors said they had to cancel "Because their wives wouldn't let them fly" to the United States. However, Konk Pack made it last night. Very high level of interaction between Hodgkinson, Turner and Lehn and they were so imaginative individually, it was hard to decide which one to watch at any given moment. Lots of little surprises that made me smile, and one time Turner whacked his tom w/ such sudden and exaggerated force that I actually jumped. I had been looking right at him but he still snuck up on me. They all seemed to be having monstrous fun, but Lehn particularly seemed to be just absolutely smitten with all his knobs and dials. I thought he might swoon at a couple points when they were all playing really loud and intense. Parry - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 14:33:47 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: help with Dave Douglas' EL TRILOGY Just a basic question concerning EL TRILOGY. What is the name of the third piece? I have the following track listing: Five Part Weather Invention 1/ Aerial Manouvers 2/ Aria One 3/ Bounding Lines 4/ Scherzo 5/ Aria Two 6/ Rapture To Leon James 7/ Groove And Countermove 8/ Prairie 9/ Escher 10/ Spring 11/ Anton 12/ Fin I know that the name of the second is "Rapture To Leon James", but I can't figure out the third title (which should be, I guess, a suite). Thanks, Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:57:50 +0100 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: frith question + frith news How to subscribe to this list? > you should ask this question on the Frith-list (fred@lists.music.ch) where > Mr. Fred has the opportunity to answer himself... > > Andreas > > _________________________________________________________________ > Downloaden Sie MSN Explorer kostenlos unter http://explorer.msn.de/intl.asp > > > - > - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 11:00:25 +0100 From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: Odp: frith question + frith news >From: "Marcin Gokieli" > >How to subscribe to this list? send an empty message to fred-subscribe@lists.music.ch Andreas np: Bill Dixon Septet/Winter Song (Savoy) _________________________________________________________________ Downloaden Sie MSN Explorer kostenlos unter http://explorer.msn.de/intl.asp - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 20:21:49 -0500 From: jmcazurin Subject: where to go in london? Hello all - I'll be spending at least a few weeks in London in the early part of next year. I was a kid when I was last there so I know next to nothing about good places to go in that city. Can the list help me out? 1. where do I go to watch good live music? (including but definitely not limited to jazz and zornlist-ish stuff) 2. what's the local equivalent of nyc's Other Music? 3. what's the local equivalent of nyc's Village Voice (and where can I find it)? websites? 4. other non-tourist points of interest? My work may also take me to Birmingham and Dublin, so tips for those cities would be great too. Thanks very much in advance! mikah - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 20:48:20 EST From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: where to go in london? In a message dated 11/24/01 8:23:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, mikah@toast.net writes: << 1. where do I go to watch good live music? (including but definitely not limited to jazz and zornlist-ish stuff) >> From what I've read off of the cardiacs list, The Mean Fiddler seems to be a good venue for the up-and-coming bands. Do yourself a favor and hit the Organart @ << http//www.organart.com/ >> They're pretty much a driving force in the London and proximity underground music and arts scene. Great magazine and label too. - -- =dg= - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 02:45:18 +0200 From: "Tal G." Subject: ICP mixup This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C17624.6280E840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1255" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >The one where the Knit adverttised them as "ICP" and a bunch of = disappointed >Insane Clown Posse fans demanded a refund. Does Sam Rivers play live anymore? 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 - ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C17624.6280E840-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:56:36 From: "William York" Subject: A few CDs for sale Hi, If anyone is interested in any of the following, reply to me off-list and suggest a price. I am being really reasonable with these, price-wise, since I found several at clearance-type sales and just never became too attached to them. Also, none of these is a promo. Paul Bley/Gary Peacock/Paul Motian - NOT TWO, NOT ONE (ECM, 1999) Tomasz Stanko - FROM THE GREEN HILL (ECM, 1999) Gianluigi Trovesi/Gianni Coscia - IN CERCA DI CIBO (ECM, 2000) Merzbow - RAINBOW ELECTRONICS 2 (Dextar's Cigar, 1996?) Motor Humming - MUSICAL ALUMINUM (Tzadik, 1999) David Shea - SATYRICON (Sub Rosa, 1997) Roy Nathanson/Anthony Coleman (with Marc Ribot and Brad Jones) - I COULD'VE BEEN A DRUM (Tzadik, 1997) John Lurie - THE LEGENDARY MARVIN PONTIAC - GREATEST HITS (Strange & Beautiful, 1999) I have some other worthwhile, Z-list-related stuff I would be interested in possibly trading. If you're interested in that, let me know. Ok, back to more important things, and sorry if this kind of posting is tacky. WY _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:34:00 -0800 From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: ICP mixup At 2:45 AM +0200 11/26/2001, Tal G. wrote: > >The one where the Knit adverttised them as "ICP" and a bunch of disappointed > >Insane Clown Posse fans demanded a refund. > >Does Sam Rivers play live anymore? If so, I wonder if people show up >expecting to see the Limp Bizkit bassist. He and his trio played in Portland this year. Rivers looked pretty aged, but played fantastically. - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:38:48 -0500 From: "Sh" Subject: Moonraker shows, anyone? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01C1760A.5490A280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings. BElieve the name of the group is MOONRAKER; Buckethead and = Mike Patton. Anyone have any live shows? I've got an eclectic list for = trade. Let me know. Thanks. - ------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01C1760A.5490A280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 
Greetings.  BElieve the name of = the group=20 is MOONRAKER; Buckethead and Mike Patton.  Anyone have any live=20 shows?  I've got an eclectic list for trade.  Let me = know. =20 Thanks.
- ------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01C1760A.5490A280-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:38:22 -0800 From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: ICP mixup >> Does Sam Rivers play live anymore? If so, I wonder if people show up >> expecting to see the Limp Bizkit bassist. > > He and his trio played in Portland this year. Rivers looked pretty > aged, but played fantastically. Who's his band at this point? skip h - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 02:42:37 -0500 From: "josephneff" Subject: Re: ICP Mixup Hello, ....speaking of Sam Rivers, I was given a copy of the Rivbea All-Star Orchestra "Inspiration" CD from '99, and it's not bad at all. It features plenty of names--Steve Coleman, Greg Osby, Hamiet Bluiett, Joseph Daley, Chico Freeman, etc.--and the music is highly spirited, at times quite intense examinations of the big band approach. It's not my favorite River's release --that would be the "Trio Live" CD reish on Impulse-- but the overall quality is rather impressive for a guy who was well nearing the end of his 4th decade of playing/recording when "Inspiration' was released. Most people burn out well before that. What are other list members favorite River's discs? I'd want more from the guy and would like some advice on where to go next. I have him on "Miles in Tokyo", the Impulse "Hues" LP, the "Trio Live" CD, his track on the "Wildflowers" set, and the above All-Star Orch. disc. He did some stuff for Blue Note, correct? How was that? I remain.... Joseph NP: The Fall "Live at the Witch Trials" LP NR: William H. Gass "Omensetter's Luck" - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:40:08 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Vuilleumier=2C_St=E9phane=22?= Subject: Sam Rivers was RE: ICP Mixup > -----Original Message----- > From: josephneff [mailto:jneff@visuallink.com] > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 8:43 AM > To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: ICP Mixup >=20 >=20 >He did some stuff for Blue Note, correct? How was that? >=20 the 3CD blue note reissue of Bluenotes is awesome to my taste and one of the best value for money Mosaic sets I can think of St=E9phane - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 04:16:40 -0500 From: "patbor" Subject: Two questions Hello, 1) Which are the latest FRANK LONDON releases? 2) Does a DAVE DOUGLAS-list exist? Thank You PatB - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:52:11 +0100 From: "Remco Takken" Subject: Sam Rivers, Was: Re: ICP mixup > > He and his trio played in Portland this year. Rivers looked pretty > > aged, but played fantastically. > > Who's his band at this point? > > skip h > Hey, I'm in Europe, so I have no idea if I am remotely up to date with this, but last year (2000) his trio consisted of Doug Matthews on bass, and Anthony Cole on drums. According to Coda Magazine 289 (by Greg Buium, jan/ feb 2000) Matthews played acoustic and electric bass plus bassclarinet, Rivers also played piano and flute, while Cole played drums and tenor saxophone. In the article the writer observed an enduring consistency in Rivers favoring versatile, open-minded musicians in his groups: Dave Holland (bass, electric bass, cello) , Joe Daley (tuba, trombone) and Thurman Barker (drums and vibes). Regards, Remco Takken np Sam Rivers & Julian Priester: Hints on Light and Shadow - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:01:10 +0100 From: "Remco Takken" Subject: Re: Two questions > Hello, > > 1) Which are the latest FRANK LONDON > releases? > > Thank You > PatB > A recent Knitting Factory release is 'Adventures of the Afro-Semitic Diaspora, episode 5762: From the Belly of Abraham' with Frank London & Greg Wall's Hasidic New Wave Alioune Faye & Yakar Rhythms. It is a way cool collection of judaica blended with senegalese rhythms. It is an odd collecton that maybe teaches us how today's jazz music could have sounded like if the jewish and the african musicians had met in New Amsterdam in 1600 already... Imagine African drummers feasting through a jewish wedding. Our roots began in Africa. Regards, Remco Takken - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 06:23:15 -0500 From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: ICP Mixup on 01.11.26 2:42 AM, josephneff at jneff@visuallink.com wrote: > What are other list members favorite > River's discs? Hey, don't et me started... > He did some stuff for Blue Note, correct? How was that? Absolutely essential, reaching, probing, hooked to the tradition but exploding it at the same time. I love this set. Also, well-- The Tony Williams' discs, SPRING and LIFE TIME / Hutcherson's DIALOGUE / the Rivers - Andrew Hill 2LP INVOLUTION -- these are all essential Blue Notes as well, and while you're at it you could dive into the 10CD set on Mosaic of the Andrew Hill stuff, which contains one more session with Sam. Then you've got CONFERENCE OF TE BIRDS, isn't tat one of the greatest recordings of aaaallllll tiiiiime (say it like Ali) w/ Braxton, Holland, and Altschul. The WAVES disc, easily acquired (and cheap as hell), w/ Holland-Daley-Barker is a mover. WINDS OF MANHATTAN - COLOURS on Black Saint - big band all reeds. Reggie Workman's SUMMIT CONFERENCE is hot hot hot - w/ Hill Priester and akLaff. (RW's CEREBRAL CAVERNS is great also.) PORTRAIT on FMP, Sammy's solo disc from '95. The Priester Rivers duos on Postcards, HINTS ON LIGHT AND SHADOW. ... there are more I love, but I don't want to overload anyone. The Sessionography is of course linked below. > rather impressive for a guy who was well nearing the end > of his 4th decade of playing/recording when "Inspiration' was released. Most > people burn out well before that. Sam is a nut. One of the liveliest, most spirited, and forthcoming human bein's I've ever had the honor to meet. Best, Rick Lopez - ---------- [ All of the below and much more at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k ] Sessionographies : CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies : COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; THREADGILL; WORKMAN. Also : --Samuel Beckett Eulogy; Baseball & the 10,000 Things; Time Stops; LOVETORN; HARD BOIL; ETC., WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : LUCILLE / A Reverential Journal of the Care of the Beloved Hag - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #625 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? 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