From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #638 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Monday, December 10 2001 Volume 03 : Number 638 In this issue: - Is trading kosher, Was: Re: Intro =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_List_Identity_N=B02?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_List_Identity_N=B02?= zorn music in russia Re: Intro =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20List=20Identity=20N=B02?= Re: The Locust videos...again =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_List_Identity_N=B02?= Re: List_Identity_N°2 Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?List=5FIdentity=5FN=B02?= Re: List_Identity_N°2 WANTED! HANATARASHI/HANATARASH Indeed!!! Re: Black Lions on sale (NZ) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 18:29:45 +0100 From: "Remco Takken" Subject: Is trading kosher, Was: Re: Intro This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C180DF.7A1D7DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Christian Isendahl wrote: Don=B4t know whether this is koscher around here, but I=B4d love to = trade for liveshows. If interested, please send me a note and I=B4ll = email you my list. Kosher or not, for me there's still enough good quality material around = on cd which I haven't heard. Before running wild after another half = decent sounding concert tape, I would rather go out and try a new name = from the Tzadik catalogue. Last time I did so, I got the absolutely = beautiful LIKE WATER, by Bun-Chin Liam.=20 Interestingly enough, with all the regular output around Zorn (and other = hyperactively recording improvisors, like Bailey, Chadbourne, Vandermark = for instance), you just keep reading about hot tapes that somehow aren't = scheduled for release anywhere. Most of the times, they are radio = broadcasts, ie. performances where good tape sources exist. Let's discuss these gems to death here, it seemed to have worked for = Naked City. I understood there's a live Naked City live project in the = can. Radio shows floated around for years, so now we know what to = expect. Regards, Remco Takken np: John Zorn, Parachute Years (HOCKEY) - ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C180DF.7A1D7DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Christian Isendahl wrote:
Don=B4t=20 know whether this is koscher around here, but I=B4d love to trade for = liveshows.=20 If interested, please send me a note and I=B4ll email you my=20 list.
Kosher or not, for me there's still enough good quality = material=20 around on cd which I haven't heard. Before running wild after = another=20 half decent sounding concert tape, I would rather go out and try a new = name from=20 the Tzadik catalogue. Last time I did so, I got the absolutely beautiful = LIKE=20 WATER, by Bun-Chin Liam.
 
Interestingly enough, with all the regular output around Zorn (and = other=20 hyperactively recording improvisors, like Bailey, Chadbourne, = Vandermark=20 for instance), you just keep reading about hot tapes that somehow aren't = scheduled for release anywhere. Most of the times, they are radio = broadcasts,=20 ie. performances where good tape sources exist.
 
Let's discuss these gems to death here, it seemed to have worked = for Naked=20 City. I understood there's a live Naked City live project in the can. = Radio=20 shows floated around for years, so now we know what to = expect.
Regards, Remco Takken
 np: John Zorn, Parachute Years (HOCKEY)
- ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C180DF.7A1D7DE0-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 18:15:37 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?= Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_List_Identity_N=B02?= Hi, Rob wrote: > I know it's all Zorn's fault because he once created Naked City and opened > the door for the rock fans. I for one, wouldn't mind a new list for the > metalheads to keep this Zornlist more focused. Ok, flame on !!! ;-) > More focused? I don't think so. Zorn's tastes are so ecclectic that I feel that anything goes somehow . For me, there's the same distance (or nearness) between Zorn - Ellington and Zorn - Napalm Death. They don't have too much in common but listing them as references makes sense to me. I don't think any further lists are necessary at all. I'm happy to get this massive, varied info daily. I don't even find the time to search for data on everything discussed here. God (or whoever) bless the day I joined the list. And since you mention it, anyone knows when I should expect the new Mr. Bungle album? I heard it'll be released in 2002. Best, Efrén n.p: Ennio Morricone "Mondo Morricone" n.r: Hermann Hesse "Unterm Rad" (Under the wheels?) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 19:14:16 +0100 From: "Remco Takken" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_List_Identity_N=B02?= This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C180E5.B1D6E040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rob wrote: > I know it's all Zorn's fault because he once created Naked City and = opened > the door for the rock fans. I for one, wouldn't mind a new list for = the > metalheads to keep this Zornlist more focused. Ok, flame on !!! ;-) > Think, there's a huge rock market for the long awaited live series by = Naked City!!! That means: more obscure Tzadik releases can be = financed!!! Are 'they' (the rock fans) allowed in our little elitist list, to ask = specific jazz questions like: what would be a rocking Ornette Coleman = record to buy first? Of course!! It's good fun!! Seriously: in some circles, John Zorn is becoming the kind of status = symbol that Frank Zappa once was. These kind of followers can be = recognised by the tasteless and stupid records they own outside of the = Zappa (now Zorn) catalogue. Also, they only have opinions about those = records discussed in the rock press. But: These status seekers are very good for the market, so maybe we should = leave them be. Perhaps you'll discover a good metal album or two in the = process. Suggested listening for metaljazzheads:=20 (and now playing): Eugene Chadbourne & Zu: Motorhellington (yes, = you've guessed it: motorhead plus ellington)=20 Regards, Remco Takken, owning more Motorhead records than Ellington = records, but with far more Coltrane cd's on the shelves than Blind Idiot = God discs. - ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C180E5.B1D6E040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rob wrote:

> I know it's all Zorn's fault because he = once=20 created Naked City and opened
> the door for the rock fans. I = for one,=20 wouldn't mind a new list for the
> metalheads to keep this = Zornlist more=20 focused. Ok, flame on !!! ;-)
>
Think, there's a huge rock = market for=20 the long awaited live series by Naked City!!! That means: more obscure = Tzadik=20 releases can be financed!!!
 
Are 'they' (the rock fans) allowed in our little elitist list, to = ask=20 specific jazz questions like: what would be a rocking Ornette = Coleman=20 record to buy first? Of course!! It's good fun!!
 
Seriously: in some circles, John Zorn is becoming the kind of = status=20 symbol that Frank Zappa once was. These kind of followers can be=20 recognised by the tasteless and stupid records they own outside of the = Zappa=20 (now Zorn) catalogue. Also, they only have opinions about those = records=20 discussed in the rock press. But:
These status seekers are very good for the market, so maybe we = should=20 leave them be. Perhaps you'll discover a good metal album or two in = the=20 process.
 
Suggested listening for metaljazzheads:
(and now playing): Eugene Chadbourne & Zu: Motorhellington = (yes,=20 you've guessed it: motorhead plus ellington)
Regards, Remco Takken, owning more Motorhead records than = Ellington=20 records, but with far more Coltrane cd's on the shelves = than Blind Idiot=20 God discs.
- ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C180E5.B1D6E040-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 13:28:42 -0500 From: Stephen Drury Subject: zorn music in russia music by Zorn and others in Moscow this week: COLD ALTERNATIVA:=A0 Images of American Music=20 DOM Cultural Centre=20 Bolshoy Ovchinnikovsky lane, 24, building 4=20 tel. 953 7236 / fax 953 7242=20 Thursday, December 13 - Paul Elwood, composer, banjo=20 Saturday, December 15, 2001 - Seattle Chamber Players with Stephen Drury John Zorn - Music for Children=20 Zorn - Carny=20 Zorn - Kol Nidre=20 Paul Elwood - Stanley Kubrick's Mountain Home=20 Zorn - Chimeras=20 Sunday, December 16, 2001 - Stephen Drury Paul Elwood=A0 - Vigils=20 Lee Hyla=A0 - Riff and Transfiguration=20 Charles Ives=A0 - The Celestial Railroad=20 John Cage - One=20 John Zorn=A0 - Carny=20 come and freeze your butts off! =A0=20 - --steve http://www.stephendrury.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 14:06:52 EST From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Intro Welcome aboard, Christian. - -- =dg= - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 14:06:52 EST From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20List=20Identity=20N=B02?= In a message dated 12/9/01 12:03:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, roballaert@mac.com writes: << To me there are two main directions happening on the list. Some enjoy to experiment in a jazz, classical & world vein. Others like to experiment with rock. I know there's a lot more in between and beyond. But I suppose there's a group that really wonders why all the mr. bungle and metal talk needs to happen on this list. While others feel akward reading about Ellington and even Masada. >> That's a direct hit on the nail, there. I might add that some of us swing both ways, to borrow a term from a completely different area...;-) - -- =dg= - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 17:27:37 -0500 From: "Andrew" Subject: Re: The Locust > Hello list, > has anyone heard the Hardcore band "The Locust"? Any thoughts on them? > Thank you Well, I wouldn't call the Locust hardcore...they're more of an "animal rock"/ "spazzcore" band. :) I'm personally a big fan of the Locust, and their alter-ego Le Shok (check them out if you haven't already- they're the same band). They remind me alot of the first Naked City record (or at least the spazziest moments of it). Kid 606 recently did a great remix of a Locust song. andrew - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 00:17:33 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Ricardo=20Campillo?= Subject: videos...again I want to get videos of Zorn. But I don't have any video of him, but I have a lot of videos of films. I want videos of films too, if someone are interested that tell me something. Sorry for my english (the reason because I don't usually write). Ricardo. np: The Cracow Klezmer Band"The Warriors" _______________________________________________________________ El Nokia 5510, un aspecto extraño, un sonido genial. Visite http://es.promotions.yahoo.com/nokia/ descubra el Nokia 5510 y ¡lléveselo! El concurso acaba el 16 de diciembre de 2001. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 18:14:58 -0500 From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_List_Identity_N=B02?= At 05:53 PM 12/9/01 +0100, Rob Allaert wrote: > >I know it's all Zorn's fault because he once created Naked City and opened >the door for the rock fans. I for one, wouldn't mind a new list for the >metalheads to keep this Zornlist more focused. Ok, flame on !!! ;-) The joy of this list is in the wide range of discussion topics. The threads we've had on Meshuggah and other metal bands have been very enlightening for me, as well as the ones on just about every other genre. Between Zorn's personal output and what he releases on Tzadik and Avant, pretty much everything is up for discussion. Plus, there are fewer flames per capita than any other mailing list I've ever been on. On a zorn-inspired topic, and taking a page from Redbird, my wife and I just spent a wonderful weekend in Chicago, where we picked up the Feldman String Quartet recording on Hat (the Jazz Record Mart is a dangerous place - -- I got Flutter *and* Anode in the used bin), and she *offered* to put the quartet on continuous repeat for a whole weekend. Doesn't get much better than this... Looking forward to everyone's best-of-2001 lists. - -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 17:41:55 -0800 (PST) From: Thomas Choate Subject: Re: List_Identity_N°2 or perhaps this is just the tendencies of two sides of ourselves. cds i have ordered in the last week: Sleepytime Gorilla Grand Opening And Clos Fantomas Fantomas Refused Shape Of Punk To Come Stick Men Insatiable Mr.Bungle Disco Volante Captain Beefheart Trout Mask Replica Painkiller Execution Ground Tortoise & The Ex In The Fishtank DILLINGER ESCAPE P UNDER THE RUNNING B duke ellington and coltrane (from BMG) coltrane's (vanguard) show with dolphy (4 cds) and planning on trading in for Edolphy last date soon. thats all the flaming i have today, :) time for finals' studying.. amor fati, square - --- Rob Allaert wrote: > > Someone wrote: > > >> You're definitely stranded far from home, looking > >> for a hard to find punk rock LP on the Zorn list. > > Well, it does make you think. I love the idea of > having Zorn in the middle > of the wide circle of musical tastes, since his own > circle is really wide > as well. I guess he truly is the 'circle maker'. > Anyway. > > To me there are two main directions happening on the > list. Some enjoy to > experiment in a jazz, classical & world vein. Others > like to experiment > with rock. I know there's a lot more in between and > beyond. But I suppose > there's a group that really wonders why all the mr. > bungle and metal talk > needs to happen on this list. While others feel > akward reading about > Ellington and even Masada. > > I know it's all Zorn's fault because he once created > Naked City and opened > the door for the rock fans. I for one, wouldn't mind > a new list for the > metalheads to keep this Zornlist more focused. Ok, > flame on !!! ;-) > > greetings, > Rob @ risk > np: Mark Dresser - Marinade > > > - > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 17:47:38 -0800 From: Jim Flannery Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?List=5FIdentity=5FN=B02?= "Identity" is *so* late-80s. I am vast, I contain multitudes. - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com "For children are innocent and love justice; while most of us are wicked and naturally prefer mercy" -- G.K. Chesterton np: Mahmoud Ahmed, _Soul of Addis_ nr: Charles Brockden Brown, _Wieland, or The Transformation_ - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 17:59:49 -0800 (PST) From: Thomas Choate Subject: Re: List_Identity_N°2 no DUDE!! retro... identity came back in when skid row when on tour, (without seb) and my friends' opened up for them: www.eiderdownmusic.com (no pluggin here--) that was a cruel twist of a message there...man, amor fati, square - --- Jim Flannery wrote: > "Identity" is *so* late-80s. > > I am vast, I contain multitudes. > > -- > - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Jim Flannery > newgrange@sfo.com > > "For children are innocent and love > justice; while most > of us are wicked and naturally prefer > mercy" > > -- G.K. Chesterton > np: Mahmoud Ahmed, _Soul of Addis_ > nr: Charles Brockden Brown, _Wieland, or The > Transformation_ > > - > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 08:03:50 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Gillham?= Subject: WANTED! HANATARASHI/HANATARASH WANTED! HANATARASHI/HANATARASH< 1. "Hanatarashi" LP Alchemy, Japan, ARLP007, 1985< 2. "Worst Selektion" CS (and other early cassettes) PCM/MARS, Japan, #13, 1985 3. "5 : We Are 0.00" CD Shock City, Japan, CN?, 1996 I'd prefer to buy. Reply offlist to blackoperations_uk@hotmail.com ________________________________________________________________ Nokia 5510 looks weird sounds great. Go to http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/nokia/ discover and win it! The competition ends 16 th of December 2001. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:26:25 +0100 From: "Remco Takken" Subject: Indeed!!! Re: Black Lions on sale (NZ) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C1816D.80C50B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Broinc is cool for updating your modern jazz collection, I just got my = package of discs for 2.99 (Black Lion) and 3.99 (Freedom) each. ellington tribute with Cecil Taylor,=20 Dollar Brand, Anatomy of a south african village Monk solo,=20 Cecil Taylor Trio 'Trance' Paul Bley 'Touching" Mariano/ Hinze Roswell Rudd 'Flexible Flyer' www.broinc.com,=20 Their search machine runs 'Labels', where you can choose a label. Mostly = classical indeed, some trad jazz, and the mentioned Freedom and Black = Lion... Bye Remco np Albert Ayler Going home (yes: the Black Lion $2.99!!!) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jeffcalt@aol.com=20 To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 9:21 PM Subject: Black Lions on sale (NZ) I picked up a number of Black Lion releases (Hemphill, Ayler, Braxton, = Lake,=20 AEC) yesterday for $2.99 a piece(!) at www.broinc.com . I've ordered = from=20 them before, and they are certainly slow, but at these prices you can = be=20 patient. Also got a few albums from Prestige, RTE, and New World. = Bear in=20 mind that most of their catalog is classical, but if you really = search,=20 you'll find some good stuff. jeff caltabiano (who's not affiliated with broinc) - - ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C1816D.80C50B20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Broinc is cool for updating your modern jazz collection, I just got = my=20 package of discs for 2.99 (Black Lion) and 3.99 (Freedom) each.
 
ellington tribute with Cecil Taylor,
Dollar Brand, Anatomy of a south african village
Monk solo,
Cecil Taylor Trio 'Trance'
Paul Bley 'Touching"
Mariano/ Hinze
Roswell Rudd 'Flexible Flyer'
 
 
Their search machine runs 'Labels', where you can choose = a label.=20 Mostly classical indeed, some trad jazz, and the mentioned Freedom and = Black=20 Lion...
 
Bye Remco
 
np Albert Ayler Going home (yes: the Black Lion $2.99!!!)
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jeffcalt@aol.com=20
To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, = 2001 9:21=20 PM
Subject: Black Lions on sale = (NZ)

I picked up a number of Black Lion releases (Hemphill, = Ayler,=20 Braxton, Lake,
AEC) yesterday for $2.99 a piece(!) at www.broinc.com .  I've ordered = from=20
them before, and they are certainly slow, but at these prices you = can be=20
patient.  Also got a few albums from Prestige, RTE, and New=20 World.  Bear in
mind that most of their catalog is classical, = but if=20 you really search,
you'll find some good stuff.

jeff = caltabiano=20 (who's not affiliated with = broinc)

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