From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #646 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Tuesday, December 18 2001 Volume 03 : Number 646 In this issue: - laswell (was: Sonny Sharrock/CIMP) Re: laswell (was: Sonny Sharrock/CIMP) Alb. Party/ Rock gig Re: Open, Coma Re: laswell (was: Sonny Sharrock/CIMP) Re: laswell (was: Sonny Sharrock/CIMP) New Music for kotos in RealAudio Recoms for... Fwd: Recoms for... Re: Recoms for... Fwd: Re: Recoms for... Re: Re: Recoms for... -- Kenny Wollesen -- Re: Recoms for... Re: Recoms for... Vietnam and China: audioturism [NZC] RE: Sonny Sharrock ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:29:09 -0600 From: "Ben Axelrad" Subject: laswell (was: Sonny Sharrock/CIMP) In a blurb on Angels of Light in this week's Chicago Reader it says that "Gira was notoriously dissatisfied with the band's Bill Laswell-produced major label debut, The Burning World, in '89." Is there a longer story behind this? Anyone have more information? As far as CIMPs go, I kind of like the immediacy of most recordings, and I've noticed only one with really bad sound quality (Ethnic Heritage Ensemble). Also I like it that the artists write something in every release. The cover art leaves much to be desired though. I really like Frode Gjerstad, Through the Woods -- This is my favorite on the label. Bobby Bradford is really the dominant voice here. (Any comments on the new Emanem disc?) Odean Pope/Dave Burrell, Changes & Chances -- Sort of like the Burrell/Murray duo, but not as wild. Joe McPhee's Bluette (title?, #199) -- Nice versions of "People Get Ready" and a remake of "Astral Spirits" from _Oleo & A Future Retrospective_ Trio X (McPhee), Watermelon Suite -- Buy this if only for the beautiful "Solero (to Glenn Spearman)." Phil Haynes - Herb Robertson Quintet, Brooklyn-Berlin -- Enjoyable disc, the last track is amazing. Ahmed Abdullah's Diaspora -- This one's kind of light, but the band is clearly enjoying itself, and Abdullah's liner notes are very touching. I picked it up to hear Masuuja in a non-Threadgill context. >From: "Steve Smith" >Reply-To: >To: "'Ryan Novak'" , >Subject: RE: Sonny Sharrock/CIMP >Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 17:41:17 -0500 > >Because Laswell just goes to an extreme with the soft-focus, dubby, >sample-laden production, IMO. It's about as fiery as a 10-watt lightbulb, >which seems to me to be a misrepresentation of the band and its blow-out >live performances. You could view it as an ambient remix, almost. > >BUT if you really like the band and you've got all the other releases, you >might find something to like about 'Iron Path.' I certainly haven't ditched >my copy - I just view it as a decent Laswell disc with fabulous sidemen >deployed in understated ways, much like any number of other Laswell >releases. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 17:18:35 -0500 From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: laswell (was: Sonny Sharrock/CIMP) At 03:29 PM 12/17/01 -0600, Ben Axelrad wrote: >In a blurb on Angels of Light in this week's Chicago Reader it says that >"Gira was notoriously dissatisfied with the band's Bill Laswell-produced >major label debut, The Burning World, in '89." Is there a longer story >behind this? Anyone have more information? A 1999 article by Jay Babcock from the LA Weekly says 'Gira never enjoyed the level of success that direct Swans descendants like Ministry and Nine Inch Nails achieved in the 90s. Gira lost some of his proto-industrial following when the opera-trained vocalist Jarboe joined the band in the mid-'80s, ushering in melody, more complex arrangements and a (gasp!) female voice, and 1989's lush The Burning World, made with producer Bill Laswell and his Material ring of world-folk musicians for the MCA imprint Uni Records, further alienated O.G. Swans fans and failed to reach many new ones. Gira and MCA separated acrimoniously...' And by Greg Kot from the Chicago Tribune in 1997: 'Swans flirted with wider acceptance of their own after the release of their acknowledged masterpiece, the 1987 double-album "Children of God," a work that evokes both medieval beauty and horror with its stately, acoustic-laden textures. But immediately after that the group was pressured into recording more radio-friendly music: a dance beat was imposed on a cover version of Joy Division's "Love Will Tear Us Apart" that Gira says was "diametrically opposed" to his vision of the song as a somber, "Little Drummer Boy"-style hymn, and a producer (Bill Laswell) was brought in to help tailor the band's sole major label album, 1989's "The Burning World," which Gira now deems a "disaster." Then the optimism of a new deal with respected indie Rough Trade was shattered when the label went bankrupt....' Slow day at work... - -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:12:52 -0500 From: "Jeton Ademaj" Subject: Alb. Party/ Rock gig Hi Everybody, I hope u r all happy, safe n snugg. please pardon my brief 2-gig spam: 1st: this new Albanian Shindig being run as an alternative to the usual techno-folk, with a much more eclectic playlist, live percussionists along with dj's, a more layed back vibe and....... Me! I'll be performing on amplified Qifteli/toy synth-sampler/guitar and sequencing, not to mention some singing n ranting here n there. I asked the organizers if they are aware that my music is out to wayy out & my writing/singing has again been exploring politics and my male-to-male sex life in addition to my Albanian heritage, and they were encouraging and supportive. This for an outfit named after a muslim holy day! They also know how to throw an intelligent, fun party... Monday, December 24th - 9pm-til? at FLAMINGO (219 2nd avenue, bet. 13th & 14th, NY NY) $10 list, $15 dr - 4 list email fullname to info@buyrum.net b4 6pm 12/24 The online flyer can be found at: http://www.buyrum.net/ Also, I have a great, great band with legendary jazzman Daniel Carter on winds, a sweet young wackjob named Dustin Garlitz on tenor sax and a nice young super-monster named Mike Pride on drums, reeds, voice, toys and whatever he feels like that day. Along with me on qifteli, skronk guitar, toy samplers etc., we are called SMILE. Our band name is both a nice verb and a cybernetic acronym invented by Timothy Leary (see his book INFO-PSYCHOLOGY). We play free, and we've managed to squeeze in some of my singing and poetry without locking into standard sound-forms. I intend SMILE to be a comfort space for whatever the group feels in a given moment, and I bring my love of Hendrix, Sabbath, Coltrane, Dance Music, Folk 'n' Canonical (Albanian-/Appalachian-/"'"'World-'"'"/ Future-,etc), Hip-Hop and my imagination. We'll be joined by intrepid bassist-extraordinaire Jean-Guerly, who'll be floating us all in his oceanic electro-mixin' board fat bottomed sound. SMILE Saturday, December 29th 9pm $8.00 KnitActive Soundstage Knitting Factory 74 Leonard Street (5 blox south of canal, bet Broadway n Church) 212 219 3006 http://www.knittingfactory.com Please check the Village Voice Listings section when it hits newstands dec. 25th. Thanks for reading, Hope to say hi! to some of you soon, and all of you eventually... Peace Jeton 'Tony' Ademaj _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:30:02 EST From: Fastian@aol.com Subject: Re: Open, Coma ctm@sonic.net (Craig Matsumoto) writes: << Just got Tim Berne's "Open, Coma" in the mail yesterday - woo hoo! Haven't been able to listen to the whole thing yet, unfortunately, but the first track, the title track, is awesome: tight ensemble passages, well-meshed open-improv passages, great sound fidelity (warning: i have no ear for sound fidelity and may be wrong on this last part). >> I would say its great sound quality especially for a Screwgun release. "Open, Coma" is a fine tune, the only new one on the cd. Certain passages sound reminiscent of other tunes, but its hard to pin down. There's also "Eye Contact" from the Memory Select" cd, one of my favorite Bloodcount tunes. The 2nd cd has "The Legend of p-1" from "Pace Yourself" and "Impacted Wisdom" from "Nice View" They really tear it up on this last tune. I defy anyone to listen to this one tune at anything other than full blast. The Copenhagen Art Ensemble sound really good and showcase many fine talents, esp. Peter Fuglsang-bass clarinet, Thomas Clausen-piano, fender rhodes, and Mads Hyhne-trombone. Tim Berne really needs a trombone player on all his cds, its great for a punchy low end. Needless to say, any fan of Tim Berne needs to grab this sucker immediately. Cheers, John Threadgould np "Blue Boye"- Julius Hemphill - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:48:58 EST From: Stinkipipi@aol.com Subject: Re: laswell (was: Sonny Sharrock/CIMP) - --part1_176.eaefc9.294fec7a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >In a blurb on Angels of Light in this week's Chicago Reader it says that > >"Gira was notoriously dissatisfied with the band's Bill Laswell-produced > >major label debut, The Burning World, in '89." Is there a longer story > >behind this? Anyone have more information? > i think you'll find a few of laswell's 'producer for hire' albums have left bad tastes in the bands mouths. white zombie comes to mind, as well as mick jagger if i recall correctly. dave http://www.mickharris.net http://www.eraldobernocchi.net - --part1_176.eaefc9.294fec7a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>In a blurb on Angels of Light in this week's Chicago Reader it says that
>"Gira was notoriously dissatisfied with the band's Bill Laswell-produced
>major label debut, The Burning World, in '89."  Is there a longer story
>behind this?  Anyone have more information?

i think you'll find a few of laswell's 'producer for hire' albums have left bad tastes in the bands mouths. white zombie comes to mind, as well as mick jagger if i recall correctly.

dave
http://www.mickharris.net
http://www.eraldobernocchi.net - --part1_176.eaefc9.294fec7a_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 02:08:50 +0100 From: "Mads Ruby" Subject: Re: laswell (was: Sonny Sharrock/CIMP) Ben Axelrad wrote: | In a blurb on Angels of Light in this week's Chicago Reader it says = that=20 | "Gira was notoriously dissatisfied with the band's Bill = Laswell-produced=20 | major label debut, The Burning World, in '89." Is there a longer = story=20 | behind this? Anyone have more information? |=20 I recall reading an interview where Gira more or less said that Laswell = sneaked in and changed the mix against the band=B4s wishes. I think that = interview is on the Swans website http://www.swans.pair.com/.=20 The list of guest musicians on that album is pretty impressive: Laswell, = Fred Frith, Shankar, Mark Feldman, Trilok Gurtu...=20 Actually The Burning World is a great album, if you=B4re able to ignore = the tame sound. The songs were great, but sounded much better on the = "Anonymous Bodies In An Empty Room" live album Anybody know what Norman Westberg is doing these days? Mads - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 22:14:09 -0600 From: Herb Levy Subject: New Music for kotos in RealAudio Hi y'all, This week on Mappings , you'll hear contemporary music for koto by John Cage, Elizabeth =46alconer, Shoko Higake, Toshio Hosokawa, Brett Larner, Miya Masaoka, Ryuko Mizutani, and Tadao Sawai. The show went online Monday evening around 10:00 PM (-0600 GMT) and will remain online at the above URL for a week. Last week's program, featuring guitar music by Acoustic Guitar Trio (Alex Cline, Jim McAuley, Rod Poole), Arthur Bull & Daniel He=EFkalo, Loren Mazzacane Connors, Mario Davidovsky, Nick Didkofsky, Judy Dunaway, David First, =46red Frith, Phil Kline, Ren=E9 Lussier, Carolyn Master, Steve Reich, Terry Riley, Roger Smith, and Davey Williams is still available in the Mappings archive , where you can also find play lists for the program since it began in March 1998. Hope you tune in to the program. Bests, Herb - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 03:05:01 -0500 From: "patbor" Subject: Recoms for... Hi, I'd ask recommendations for: - - Frank London (Hasidic New Wave) "From the belly of Abraham" Knit - - Cuong Vu "Come, play with me" Knit - - Mono "Under the pipal tree" Tzadik, New Japan Thak You PatB - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:32:54 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Fwd: Recoms for... Hi Pat and everyone, > > - Mono "Under the pipal tree" Tzadik, New Japan I listened to it just a week ago or so and didn't like it. I think I commented on this before. I heard a clear Sonic Youth-guitar sound influence in Mono as well as kind of a post-rocky vein in their music. I also made reference to Mogwai as a possible orientative name to describe their music. Mono are supposed to be intense but I just found them boring and not so original. Anyway, if you are looking for a straightforward instrumental album you might enjoy it. I'm not sure if this is too helpful... Best, Efrén del Valle _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 04:12:19 -0500 From: "Nirav Soni" Subject: Re: Recoms for... > - Mono "Under the pipal tree" Tzadik, New Japan One word: Mogwai. They are, however, the most *gorgeous* band I've ever had the pleasure of seeing. Really. I totally recommend seeing them live. Absolutely beautiful. I was entranced with the bassist's shoes. Aren't they the *cutest*?! Do I recall someone dissing Black Dice on this list? Man...last night at the Knit was *massive*...no songs, just huge clouds of sound and movement. Nirav - -- AIM: Icefactory37 NP- DJ Scud/Rich Kid- Murder Sound (trying very hard to stay awake) "Duration is to the consciousness as light is to the eye" - Bill Viola - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:20:25 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Fwd: Re: Recoms for... Hi, > > > > > One word: Mogwai. > > > > They are, however, the most *gorgeous* band I've > > ever had the pleasure of > > seeing. Really. I totally recommend seeing them > > live. Absolutely beautiful. That goes to show there are as many opinions as people on this planet. I saw them live three or four months ago and couldn't stand the whole concert. I found them as predictable as a rock band can be. Just an opinion (from a guy on this planet) Best, Efrén del Valle _______________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Messenger > Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. > http://messenger.yahoo.es > _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 05:57:01 -0500 From: "Nirav Soni" Subject: Re: Re: Recoms for... > That goes to show there are as many opinions as > people on this planet. I saw them live three or four > months ago and couldn't stand the whole concert. I > found them as predictable as a rock band can be. Oh no...this had nothing to do with the music. All of the members of the band are very, very attractive. It was like watching moving sculptures, with music too! Nirav - -- AIM: Icefactory37 "Duration is to the consciousness as light is to the eye" - Bill Viola - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:04:23 -0500 From: "Kim, Pei-Yi" Subject: -- Kenny Wollesen -- Hello Folks, I'm listening to the Masada Live 2001 discs right now and was wondering if anyone out there knows of upcoming gigs for Kenny Wollesen, whose awesome energy and positive spirit have me yearning for more of his live vibe. I know that for NYE he's part of the Masada events, but if y'all can shed some light on where I may look up his itineray (especially for now til NYE) that would be spetacular. Happy Holidays and Much Grace, Pei-Yi np: Surrender to the Air - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:18:19 -0600 (CST) From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Recoms for... On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Nirav Soni wrote: > "Duration is to the consciousness as light is to the eye" - Bill Viola Ah, I like this! (Especially since I went on a binge of watching Bill Viola laserdiscs last night.) I wonder what Morton Feldman's response would have been... - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:45:04 -0800 From: "Revue des Fossiles" Subject: Re: Recoms for... > > "Duration is to the consciousness as light is to the eye" - Bill Viola > >Ah, I like this! (Especially since I went on a binge of watching Bill >Viola laserdiscs last night.) I wonder what Morton Feldman's response >would have been... um, "music is to the consciouness as rug patterns are to the eye?" listening to feldman's music without cracking a smile now and then is like missing out on the intended irony in nietzsche and kierkegaard. - - rdf. np. guilty connector - first noise attack. (msbr/utsu tapes) kohei "fast" nakagama in all his dynamic fury. lovely holiday sounds recommended for any family gathering. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:45:34 -0800 From: mwisckol@ocregister.com Subject: Vietnam and China: audioturism [NZC] In the US, Quatermass and Subrosa, including this title, are distributed by and can be ordered from www.dutch-east.com Most titles have considerable descriptions at DE's website. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 16:54:54 +0000 (GMT) From: alastair@pretentious.co.uk Subject: RE: Sonny Sharrock - --2834897.1008608094637.JavaMail.root@www-a24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steve Smith wrote >Sharrock's debut disc, 'Black Woman,' has been reissued by East West in >Japan and by Collectables (I think) in the U.S. It's wild and shambolic an= d >frenzied and short. His then-wife Linda is featured throughout, and her >quasi-operatic warbles and Yokoesque shrieks may come as a bit of an >acquired taste, but the disc features some pretty amazing drumming from >Milford Graves and the debut, I think, of Sharrock's lovely tune =93Blind >Willie.=93 There's a vinyl copy of this in the Covent Garden branch of Rough Trade goi= ng for (I think) =A313.99. It's on 4 Men With Beards records, so I dunno wh= y I didn't pick it up when I saw it yesterday... If you're not in London they might be able to get it for you at www.roughtr= ade.com . No link with said shop except for it taking a large proportion of= my disposable income. Alastair - ---------- Get a fun email address at http://another.com COOL: Personalise a t-shirt with your name/email/slogan=20 from 9.99 pounds. 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