From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #665 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Sunday, December 30 2001 Volume 03 : Number 665 In this issue: - Re: 2001 performances Re: Guitar Player The Gift most satisfying releases of 2001 Plunderphonics 69/96 the Gift/Ribot Re: the Gift/Ribot Re: Plunderphonics 69/96 Re: my top 10 list / DAVID LYNCH Re: most satisfying releases of 2001 Leo on sale plunderphonics/etc. FW: BR=?ISO-8859-1?B?1g==?=TZMANN 10_Victoriaville 1999 RE: my top 10 list / DAVID LYNCH bailey @ dmg ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 23:01:35 +0100 From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: 2001 performances

A great performance for sure, but I saw them the year before in Moers and the first time is mostly the best...

Andreas

may i ask what you found lacking in The Ex's performance at Saalfelden?  :)
seriously, i would top-ten that one, too.
my hair stood on end for the whole duration : phenomenal : the big-band
version of "State of Shock" alone was worth the entire price of the
festival ticket, imo.



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- - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 17:38:46 -0800 (PST) From: Ryan Novak Subject: Re: Guitar Player >From: "William York" >Subject: Re: Guitar Player> > >No need for exclamation or surprise on my part- I've thought that, up > >until a few years ago, Guitar Player was a great >magazine > >Actually that is a good point. I guess I was mainly >surprised at exactly how >in-depth that article was. Actually the Sharrock >article, as well as the 30 >Most Radical Guitarists issue you mentioned, had a >big >impact on my tastes >as a late teenager (eventually leading to Zorn, >actually, I think). You're right about the length of the article- they weren't often very in-depth like that, but at least they covered it. Another influential one for me was the avant-metal issue that had Blind Idiot God, Caspar Brotzmann, and others among more commercial metal bands. But sometimes the experimenters are hard to ignore- I just saw Fred Frith's Clearing mentioned in the "jazz" part of one of the more rock-pandering magazines. - ---Ryan N. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:23:38 +0000 From: Kevin Molony Subject: The Gift This from the Barbican London site. One question - is this really the world premiere???????? Festive greetings. Marc Ribot Jamie Saft Dave Douglas Joey Baron Cyro Baptiste World premiere of a new John Zorn project, The Gift, a beautiful and lyrica= l exploration of surf, exotica, easy listening and world beat. The Gift is an honest and heartfelt offering to music lovers the world over: an invitation to forget about the worries and cares of the world, to sit back and relax. Featuring Marc Ribot, Cyro Baptista, Jamie Saft, Joey Baron, Dave Douglas and many other special guests. A side of John Zorn you=B9ve rarely heard, the music of The Gift is both relaxing and stimulating. Venue Title: Barbican Hall Monday 25 March at 7.30pm=20 - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:03:12 +0000 From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: most satisfying releases of 2001 I'll start off by qualifying my list. Under no circumstances was I able to purchase or obtain as many CDs as some on the list were able to do (Steve Smith--450 CDs--wow, Steve, that's about 4 new CDs every three days). I'm also making this list without having heard a number of new releases in the electro-acoustic improv category, including the last six or so Erstwhile releases, Durian (great name for a label, BTW--the fruit that initially repels the olfactory senses before it finally satisfies the taste buds), Charizma, Trente Oiseau, Ritornell, etc. I should also note that I'm still waiting to receive my copies of Yoshihide's Anode, the Massacre live disc, a couple of Raz Mesinai discs, and a couple of other important releases. This year I bought almost no new jazz improv and absolutely no new releases by John Zorn. Back in June, an order from Forced Exposure that included the MIMEO release on Grob, Brotzmann's Fuck de Boere, and a couple of Yoshihide and Sachiko M releases disappeared without a trace, much to my chagrin--about 120 dollars worth of music that I'll probably never have the pleasure of listening to. Oh well, so here's my offering for what it's worth: Seminal ear-shattering experiences of 2001: 1) Xenakis, La Legende d'Eer, Montaigne--this was just reissued on this label. When I received it, I put on repeat for five hours straight. Absolutely stunning release. My favorite of all Xenakis' work. Perhaps others on the list might want to relay their experiences of first hearing certain of Xenakis' recordings. This was a life-changing encounter for me, even though I already owned and heard a lot of his other work. (A friend is a huge fan). 2) Sachiko M & Toshimaru Nakamaura, Do, Erstwhile--I remember the arrival of this CD last spring and how profoundly I was affected after listening to it for the first time. It's a CD that confirms my view that the present and immediate future of the avant-garde lies with this type of music--unexpected or even accursed musical instruments--the no-input mixing board and the sampler denuded of all but the tuning devices. The rest of my favorites, in no particular order: James Coleman, Zuihitsu, Sedimental Phil Durrant, Thomas Lehn, Radu Malfatti, Dach, Erstwhile Paik Nam June, Works 1958-1979, Sub Rosa Sachiko M, Detect, Antifrost Filament, Live 29092000, Amoebic John Wall, Constructions V-VII, Utterpsalm Bill Cole and the Untempered Ensemble, Duets & Solos Volume 2, Boxholder Techno Animal, The Brotherhood of the Bomb, Matador Gigi, Gigi, Palm Pictures Bill Laswell & Jah Wobble, Radioaxiom, Axiom/Palm Pictures Jah Wobble & Deep Space, Largely Live in Hartlepool and Manchester,30 Hertz Alva Noto, Tranform, Mille Plateaux Taylor Deupree, Occur, 12K Pan Sonic, Aaltopiiri, Mute TV Pow, Mort Aux Vaches: Being Nice is Funny, Staalplaat Kim Duk-soo, Spirit of Nature, Nanjang Music Lee Perry, Skanking with the Upsetter, Jamaica Recordings King Tubby, Lost Treasures, Jamaica Recordings Reissues: Jean Dubuffet, Experiences Musicales, Mandala Masayuki Takayanagi & Kaoru Abe, Gradually Projection, DIW Masayuki Takayanagi & Kaoru Abe, Mass Projection, DIW John Coltrane, The Olatunji Concert, Impulse Miles Davis, Complete Silent Way Sessions, Columbia Miles Davis, Live at the Fillmore East: It's About that Time, Columbia This Heat, Made Available, These Art Ensemble of Chicago, Jackson & Message, Charly (reissued again) Archie Shepp, Blase & Live at the Pan African Festival, Charly Archie Shepp, Live at the Donauescheningen Festival, MPS Don Cherry, Mu, Charly Don Cherry, Eternal Rhythm, MPS Sun Ra, The Solar Myth Approach, Charly Sun Ra, It is Forbidden, Total Energy Belated but Significant Encounters: Masahiko Okura, Gunter Muller, Taku Sugimoto, Otomo Yoshihide, Metal Tastes Like Orange, Amoebic Microstoria, Reprovisers, Thrill Jockey Ryoji Ikeda, +/-, Touch Xenakis, Persepolis, Fractal AMM, The Inexhaustible Document, Matchless Robert Ashley, Automatic Writing, Lovely Sachiko M, Sine Wave Solo, Amoebic Evan Parker, 50th Birthday Concert, Leo Pierre Henry, Mix 01.0 and 02.0, Phillips Brotzmann, Kondo, Parker, Drake, Die Like a Dog, FMP Fushitsusha, PSFD 3-4, 15-16, PSF Toshimaru Nakamura & Sachiko M, Un, Meme ISO Live, Zero Gravity Thanks to the list for suggesting many of these and best (aural) wishes to all for the coming year. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:22:13 +0000 From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: Plunderphonics 69/96 I didn't include this in my list. While it the concept was interesting, I agree with William York that the execution was less so. Other opinions? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 05:59:44 -0800 (PST) From: Theo Klaase Subject: the Gift/Ribot I like "the Gift" and Ribot's playing is always of interest. Although, personally, I think the best playing by Ribot on a Zorn project is Filmworks 8. He is just amazing on that album. Followed by the Circle Maker album. - -Theo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:19:45 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?= Subject: Re: the Gift/Ribot > Although, personally, I think the best playing by > Ribot on a Zorn project is Filmworks 8. He is just > amazing on that album. You should definitely listen to "Filmworks III" (if you haven't). There's some of Ribot's most inventive, amazing performances there, specially his duo w/ Zorn (Hollywood Hotel) and the music for the Weiden & Kennedy Publicity company. Just an opinion. Best, Efrén del Valle n.p: Peter Brötzmann's Die Like a Dog "Little dogs have fast hearts nº 1" _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:39:07 -0500 From: "Brian Olewnick" Subject: Re: Plunderphonics 69/96 > I didn't include this in my list. While it the concept was interesting, I > agree with William York that the execution was less so. Other opinions? I think this suffered a bit from simply being a somewhat dated concept by now, despite how well Oswald handled the medium. A lot of it is fun (I especially enjoy the "You're So Vain" melange) but, once expressed, I'm not so sure that plundephonics has "legs" after the initial phase of fascination and excitement passes. 'Plexure' still retains some of that for me as it was essentially the first time I'd heard Oswald (as a plunderphonicist as opposed to an alto player) and I'm sure my first wowed impression still lingers in memory. '69/96' now strikes me as more _interesting_ to listen to clinically than viscerally enjoyable. Brian Olewnick NP: Tom Phillips/AMM - Irma - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:34:23 -0500 From: "David Beardsley" Subject: Re: my top 10 list / DAVID LYNCH - ----- Original Message ----- From: > In a message dated 12/19/01 4:23:29 PM, nilugo@usa.net writes: > > << In january you will be able to buy > the DVDs for ERASERHEAD >> > > any more details on this? it doesn't seem possible to access any info on > Lynch's web site without becoming a paying member. will you have to order it > through him, or will all the normal outlets have it? The on-line Lynch store is supposed to open in Jan. I picked up the Twin Peaks 1st season yesterday but I don't know when I'll be able to check it out. Is it just me or was the Derek Bailey and his amazing denture pick show @ DMG really, really good? * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 08:47:30 -0800 (PST) From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: Re: most satisfying releases of 2001 On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Bill Ashline wrote: > Art Ensemble of Chicago, Jackson & Message, Charly (reissued again) i'm very excited about all the byg-actuel re-issues. the alan silva stuff is excellent... i'd also add in a big recommendation for the aacm re-issue of 'les stances a sophie' (lp+cd). an incredible release and at times i am tempted to say better than 'a jackson in your house/message to our folks'. if you enjoy longer tracks that really transport, 'les chances...' delivers. hasta. Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:28:11 -0500 From: Lang Thompson Subject: Leo on sale I don't know if anybody else noticed but Berkshire (broinc.com) has a bunch of Leo Records--actually mostly Leo Lab--on sale for $2.99 each. There are a few big names but one lesser known that I'd recommend is the Remote Viewers, a kind of art-song jazz-rock-whatever thing I usually hate but that's pretty fun here. Lang - ------------------------------------------- Adventures In Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm Outsider Music Mailing List http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm Documentary Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures/documentary.htm Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:54:49 -0500 From: ahorton Subject: plunderphonics/etc. I just finished reading the interview with Oswald in the first chapter of "Arcana", so I started downloading and checking out parts of the plunderphonics projects. Perhaps I'm spoiled; having been raised on sample-based albums (Dj Shadow's "Endtroducing", Future sound of london records, any number of other sample-based records) that work together as pop-cultural pastiche as well as interesting aural experiences as well as cohesive albums, something like this just isn't impressive, at all. Again; anyone can sample a bunch of riffs, hooks, excerpts, sounds, etc; it takes skill to put them all together into something coherent (instead of Oswald's "just throwing them all together" approach). andrew - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:15:19 -0500 From: Rick Lopez Subject: FW: BR=?ISO-8859-1?B?1g==?=TZMANN 10_Victoriaville 1999 Looking for help figuring this session. If anyone was there-- Here's the entry in the Parker Sessionography, http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/PARKER.disc.html#99.05.23 and Belanger here is responding to my notes (quoted here and extended in th= e session entry) from Heinrich Smejkal. Any help appreciated! RL - ---------- From: Mathieu Belanger Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 22:53:44 -0400 To: bb10k@velocity.net Subject: Re: FW: BR=D6TZMANN 10_Victoriaville 1999 """=20 I've seen this audience tape before on lists, but I have actually never heard it. What I have is a recording of what Radio-Canada broadcasted. The order of the broadcast was: Old Bottles, No Wine Immediate Music Stone/Water Makappoor I had identifed the tiles myslef, but I had found a confirmation on Radio- Canada's website (playlists...) Also, when Radio-Canada announced they would broadcast the show, I had asked if they would throw the whole thing. The answer I had received was basically "yes, but we not have enough time for the short encore". I also know they had played a little with the order of the songs. I know for sure that "Stone/Water" was the second set. A friend of mine was at the show and he confirmed this (I could not find a drive to Victo that year...). For the rest, well, I never learned if the small encore was broadcast or not. I am getting more and more sure it was not "Immediate Music" as I previously thought. Was "Older Brothers" played? I honestly have no idea... What Radio-Canada told me leads to think it was not, but it's not a strong evidence. ***Maybe someone on the Zorn-list would know.*** I know more than one member attended the show. >> So, in my opinion this was the concert-program: >> First set:=20 >> 1) Immediate music (Lonberg-Holm) 8:00 >> 2) Other brothers (Vandermark) exact duration unknown but more than >> 22:00 >> 3) Old bottles, no wine (Gustafsson) 9:00 >> 4) Makapoor (Zerang) 17:00 As I said, I really can't say much about the order of this part and if "Older Brother" was played. >> Introduction Br=F6tzmann (at the end of the first set) 1:10 >> Second set:=20 >> 1) Stone/water (Br=F6tzmann) 38:34 This is correct. There was a short encore according to Radio-Canada. Again, I could probably ask my friend who was at the show if it was really the case. Maybe Radio-Canada made a mistake... """ Thanks again, RL - ----------=20 *** Many THINGS 4 SALE *** [Updated: 01.12.01] http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/ChipsInCashing.html - ----------=20 [ All of the below and much more at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k ] Sessionographies :=20 CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies :=20 COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; THREADGILL; WORKMAN. Samuel Beckett Eulogy; Baseball & the 10,000 Things; Time Stops; LOVETORN; HARD BOIL; LUCILLE, a Reverential Journal of the Care of the Beloved Hag-- ETC., - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:31:45 -0400 From: "Neil H. Enet" Subject: RE: my top 10 list / DAVID LYNCH << In january you will be able to buy the DVDs for ERASERHEAD >> >any more details on this? it doesn't seem possible >to access any info on >Lynch's web site without becoming a paying member. >will you have to order it >through him, or will all the normal outlets have >it? - -------------------------- I understand that it will only sell through his website but you don't have to be a member to access the store. If you go in right now it says "workin on it", it's supposed to open sometime on january. Lynch has donde a nice new transfer, has completely "cleaned" the film so it will be look the best anybody has seen it, and I think it has a new 5.1 sound. Also, if you're a big Lynch fan, I definitely recommend becoming a member of the site, it has everything, from traileras of films, music (and music videos), paintings, cartoons, series, two chat rooms(frequently visited by Lynch himself), and a lot of what he calls "experiments" which collects some real crazy stuff, some funny, some beautiful, etc. All this for $10 a month. it's really worth it ... I'm just a university student and now I'm just eliminating one of my monthly trips to the movies for this beauty. Neil H. Enet - ------------ NP. BARRY ADAMSON - the murky world of ... (best of) - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 15:23:19 -0500 From: alan Subject: bailey @ dmg indeed derek sounded really superb yesterday. - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #665 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. 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