From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #684 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Thursday, January 17 2002 Volume 03 : Number 684 In this issue: - Re: Haneke hockey Hartley; Ibarra quartet new purchases and thoughts: RE: new purchases and thoughts: Re: new purchases and thoughts: Re: Hal Hartley! RE: new purchases and thoughts: Re: new purchases and thoughts: Trade Zorn, Japanese noise/hardcore shows? Cutting Room & Tonic Jacob Fred in NY Re: Hartley; Ibarra quartet Fwd: new purchases and thoughts: RE: Satoko Fujii Re: Massacre Live RE: Satoko Fujii Re: Massacre Live Re: Satoko Fujii Re: Massacre Live Re: Suzuki (NZC) Re: Hartley; Ibarra quartet ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:52:41 EST From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Haneke wow, I had no idea of the intensity of emotion that Haneke inspired. you guys are making him sound like Oliver Stone, though. maybe it's because I share some of what an earlier poster referred to as "hatred towards the audience", finding almost no movies out there that I find worth my undivided attention for two hours and not fully understanding why people attend most movies, but I found Funny Games fascinating. I don't claim to know nearly as much about film as some others here, but I'm slowly wading through my brother's vast DVD collection, and the only other films I've seen recently which I found as compelling as Funny Games were Roeg's Walkabout and Dreyer's Day Of Wrath. also, for those who think FG portrays some sort of idealized, unrealistic, "blind rage/angst", someone very close to me experienced a situation not too far from the one portrayed in the movie, a home invasion by two young nihilistic upperclass males essentially thrill-seeking. it didn't result in any deaths, but I don't think it's as far from reality as you assume. both Code Inconnu and Funny Games share not only superb filmmaking technique, but very realistic characters, even in their extremes. he seems to be much better known overseas than in the US; almost everyone I mention him to here is unaware of his work. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com P.S. I'm a big fan of Hard-Boiled and Face/Off also, so maybe Rivette is at least partially right. and I'm with Ben, I never understood Hartley worship either. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:08:45 +0000 From: "Kurt Gottschalk" Subject: hockey yeah, hockey, pool, archery and lacrosse constitute the 'parachute years' box set, but my guess is the hockey cd that's forthcoming is a new recording. in the notes to 'xu feng' zorn talks about doing a series of definitive recordings of game pieces. the new 'cobra', no doubt, is also a part of that effort. kurt _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:16:52 -0800 From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: Hartley; Ibarra quartet > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of thomas > chatterton > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 5:26 PM > anyone have other > recommendations for Hal > Hartley films? "Trust" and "Simple Men" are my favorites -- the comical deadpan acting, the lean, darkly humorous writing, the shot compositions, and also my introduction to a fantastic set of actors (Martin Donovan, Adrienne Shelly, Robert Burke, Edie Falco, Karen Sillas, Elina Lowensohn...). Plus there's a tres "kool" hommage to Godard's "Band of Outsiders" in "Simple Men" that alone makes the movie worth seeing. (There's another one in ''Amateur," but it's played too straight -- unfortunately, like the later films ("Flirt" and "Henry Fool"), there's a lot more flab when Hartley gets a bigger budget.) On an unrelated note, is anyone going to the Marilyn Crispell Trio / Susie Ibarra Quartet concert in March in San Francisco? I know who Crispell is playing with (Motian! Peacock!), but who else is in the Ibarra Quartet? Later, Ben http://members.tripod.com/~tamad2/ ICQ/AIM: thewilyfilipino - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:42:49 -0500 From: ahorton Subject: new purchases and thoughts: Here's some stuff I picked up recently: Filmworks X- "In the mirror of Maya Deren"- Very nice! I was expecting "The Gift Part II", but this is really different (but with a similar "laid-back" vibe). This reminds me more of the first track on "Taboo and Exile", with the moody strings, piano, and Baptista's percussion. Filmworks VII- "Cynical Hysterie Hour"- Zorn doing cartoon music; this was actually much better than I expected. I love the "toy bossa" music, and the "toy punk" numbers. Very fun...reminds me of Mr. Bungle. Les Baxter- "The Exotic Moods of..." - Nice 2CD "greatest hits" of Baxter. I've been hankering for stuff like this since "The Gift." What should be my next exotica purchase- Arthur Lyman, Martin Denny, or one of those bad "Ultra-Lounge" comps? Nobukaza Takemura- I forgot the title, but it's his new one on Thrill Jockey. This is much more organic and melodic than his previous work; one track is a collaboration with Jon McEntire and Doug Mccombs that lasts for 34 mins! Is anyone else looking forward to the new Susie Ibarra? I made sure that my store ordered that and the new Cobra. andrew - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:50:58 -0600 From: George Ahmadi Subject: RE: new purchases and thoughts: I've actually been enjoying an lp I found used in Berkley called "Yma Sumac, Voices of Xtabay". Good stuff kga - -----Original Message----- From: ahorton [mailto:ahorton@vt.edu] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:43 AM To: Zorn List Subject: new purchases and thoughts: Here's some stuff I picked up recently: Filmworks X- "In the mirror of Maya Deren"- Very nice! I was expecting "The Gift Part II", but this is really different (but with a similar "laid-back" vibe). This reminds me more of the first track on "Taboo and Exile", with the moody strings, piano, and Baptista's percussion. Filmworks VII- "Cynical Hysterie Hour"- Zorn doing cartoon music; this was actually much better than I expected. I love the "toy bossa" music, and the "toy punk" numbers. Very fun...reminds me of Mr. Bungle. Les Baxter- "The Exotic Moods of..." - Nice 2CD "greatest hits" of Baxter. I've been hankering for stuff like this since "The Gift." What should be my next exotica purchase- Arthur Lyman, Martin Denny, or one of those bad "Ultra-Lounge" comps? Nobukaza Takemura- I forgot the title, but it's his new one on Thrill Jockey. This is much more organic and melodic than his previous work; one track is a collaboration with Jon McEntire and Doug Mccombs that lasts for 34 mins! Is anyone else looking forward to the new Susie Ibarra? I made sure that my store ordered that and the new Cobra. andrew - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:54:41 -0800 From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: new purchases and thoughts: > > Les Baxter- "The Exotic Moods of..." - Nice 2CD "greatest hits" of Baxter. > I've been hankering for stuff like this since "The Gift." What should be my > next exotica purchase- Arthur Lyman, Martin Denny, or one of those bad > "Ultra-Lounge" comps? Yma Sumac -- Voice Of The Xtabay (arranged and conducted by Les Baxter) and/or Mambo (Billy May) Robert Drasnin -- Voodoo (one of the undersung masterpieces of the genre) If you're of the LP school, Les' RITUAL OF THE SAVAGE is the ONE. PRTOS OF PLEASURE, STONE GOD, and TAMBOO are all on the A list, and JEWELS OF THE SEA and SPACE ESCAPADE both have nice stuff on 'em, even tho they're not Les at his all-time. RITUAL was his masterstroke, along with XTABAY. skip h np: NRBQ, ATSA MY BAND - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:55:06 +0000 From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Re: Hal Hartley! >From: "Ben Axelrad" French director Jacques Rivette had an interesting reaction: It's worse than Kubrick with A Clockwork Orange >(1971), >a film that I hate just as much, not for cinematic reasons but for moral >ones. I remember when it came out, Jacques Demy was so shocked that it made >him cry. Kubrick is a machine, a mutant, a Martian. He has no human feeling >whatsoever. Excuse MY ignorance but who the f**k is Jacques Rivette? Man, he's sure out of it with that "assessment" of Kubrick. Clockwork Orange is probably one of the most "moral" films ever made! _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:46:18 -0500 From: "Sean Westergaard" Subject: RE: new purchases and thoughts: >I've actually been enjoying an lp I found used in Berkley called "Yma Sumac, >Voices of Xtabay". Good stuff Yma is awesome. if you dig Xtabay, try Mambo next. her whole 50's capitol catalog was reissued in the 90's. sean - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:01:18 -0800 From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: new purchases and thoughts: > Yma is awesome. if you dig Xtabay, try Mambo next. her whole 50's capitol > catalog was reissued in the 90's. > > sean And the tour in support of that reissue series was the stuff that bad dreams are made of, Sean. skip h - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:21:21 EST From: RadioGong@aol.com Subject: Trade Zorn, Japanese noise/hardcore shows? Looking to trade for above. Please email me if interested. Thanx. Ray - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:23:24 -0500 From: "Alan Kayser" Subject: Cutting Room & Tonic Pardon the intrusion, but if anyone was able to record the two recent Bobby Previte shows at Cutting Room (Through the Walls) Jan. 14 and Tonic Jan. 16 please contact me off list. I have lots of jazz to trade. Alan alankayser@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:50:07 -0600 From: Kasra George Ahmadi Subject: Jacob Fred in NY I wanted to let some of you know that a band I mentioned earlier, Jacob Fred Jazz Odyssey, will be headlining at the Knitting Factory in March (I believe it's the 8th and 9th). I don't want to sound paranoid but there are business arrangements in the making as far as a live album is concerned and I didn't want to jeopardize any of that by speaking too soon. JFJO have been incredible friends throughout these past 8 years and I just happened to have some information relayed to me from one of their members. kga np--the instruction manual to my new mixer - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:12:39 EST From: Fastian@aol.com Subject: Re: Hartley; Ibarra quartet << On an unrelated note, is anyone going to the Marilyn Crispell Trio / Susie Ibarra Quartet concert in March in San Francisco? I know who Crispell is playing with (Motian! Peacock!), but who else is in the Ibarra Quartet? Later, Ben >> I will definitely be going to that show as weIl as others on the list I'm sure. This was news to me, so I looked it up. March 21, Yerba Buena Theater, part of SF Jazz Fest's spring season. I couldn't find a lineup for Ibarra anywhere, not even at her website. I see David S. Ware 4tet is doing a show also, supposedly based on Sonny Rollins influences. Sometimes I go to shows with fellow zornlisters Will and Davy. Cheers, John - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:13:23 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= Subject: Fwd: new purchases and thoughts: Hi, > > Nobukaza Takemura- I forgot the title, but it's his > new one on Thrill Jockey. > This is much more organic and melodic than his > previous work; one track is a > collaboration with Jon McEntire and Doug Mccombs > that lasts for 34 mins! When was this released? Sounds really interesting. > Is anyone else looking forward to the new Susie > Ibarra? Me!!! I made sure that my > store ordered that and the new Cobra. You will have to wait for cobra until March, it's been delayed. Best, Efrén > andrew > > > - > _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:09:15 -0600 From: pedro moreno Subject: RE: Satoko Fujii FYI. Satoko is bringing her Japanese Quartet with Tatsuya in late spring early summer. So far I know of dates in NYC, Philly (painted bride) Houston, Austin, and San Diego (spruce street forum).... I will post an itinerary when it is all confirmed She will perform a duo with Tatsuya at Victoriaville..... Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:23:54 +0000 From: "Kurt Gottschalk" Subject: Re: Satoko Fujii Quartet hi -- yeah, absolutely, fuji is a phenom, and 'vulcan' is far from one of her best. tatsuya, unsurprisingly, plays loud, although not completely drowning out everyone else, and it's fun to hear him in a jazz context. as was mentioned, the dresser/black trio is quite good. but easily her best stuff is the big band records, specifically the east/west double cd. she is right up there with william parker in bringing the big band into the present day. agreed, too, that she should be more recognized in the states than she is, although spending more time here would surely help (she lived here when she attended the new england conservatory and studied under paul bley, as i understand, but now spends her time back in japan, and seems to play here very rarely). kg Pedro Moreno Epistrophy Arts http://www.epistrophyarts.org - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:08:58 -0800 (PST) From: Ryan Novak Subject: Re: Massacre Live >Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:32:54 +0000 >From: "Arthur Gadney" >Subject: Re: Massacre live >Hm, I do like some of Laswell's stuff, but still kind >of agree... I mean, in >EVERY impro situation you can be sure that he will >start dubbing. > >I haven't heard "Metldown" by Massacre yet, but would >be highly surprised if >he didn't dub trhough that as well. Any comments on >this album? Does it >rock? SHould I by it? How is Haywards singing? Yeah it rocks- might rock a bit too much actually as Laswell and Hayward often hit familiar grooves throughout, but Fred plays at the top of his game. There's no singing as far as I heard on my two listens of the disc but Hayward plays a little harmonium I think on a small part. It does contain all the Laswell trademarks I guess, but they didn't bother me. And he even does that synthy volume swelling thing he seems to do on every more recent recording I've heard, but it doesn't last that long and I didn't find it annoying. There's also a whole track of the crowd cheering for an encore and it seems almost completely unedited from the performance (which I was not at). Very good I think. - ---Ryan Novak __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 20:25:25 +0000 From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: RE: Satoko Fujii >She will perform a duo with Tatsuya at Victoriaville..... Any news on who else will play?? I know Eugene Chadbourne will duo with Rene Lussier, which ought to be great fun. NP: Boredoms: Rebore vol. 0 NR: http://www.centerhealingracism.org/ _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 20:32:09 +0000 From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: Massacre Live >There's no singing as far as I heard on my two listens >of the disc but Hayward plays a little harmonium I >think on a small part. On "Funny Valentine" Hayward does some "choking" vocals like, perhaps, Phil Mintom or so, and it works great. But when I saw Massacre at the Moers and Warsaw jazz festivals he actualyl sang real songs, which was quite horrible. Bye bye NP: Jim O'Rourke: "Insignificance" NR: The End of Days : Fundamentalism and the Struggle for the Temple Mount, by Gershom Gorenberg (scariest book I have read for years!) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:40:05 -0500 From: James Hale Subject: Re: Satoko Fujii The other name I've heard is Aki Takase. Not to be missed if her last concerts in Canada were any indication. James Hale Arthur Gadney wrote: > >She will perform a duo with Tatsuya at Victoriaville..... > > Any news on who else will play?? I know Eugene Chadbourne will duo with Rene > Lussier, which ought to be great fun. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:39:21 EST From: MorMovies@aol.com Subject: Re: Massacre Live I think MELTDOWN is the cd of the year. Laswell navigates between dub lines and those scary envelope filter sounds. I once told that him that I thought his bass sounded like rolling thunder and he said that is precisely what he tries to achieve. For some reason I never get bored of Laswell's dub style. It's all about the groove and not the notes. On the other hand he usually breaks it up with his "free" runs and harmonics. Hayward definitely performs some vocals on one but if you listen closely, it sounds like they were drained out of the mix. I have other live shows and he screaming right into the mic. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:32:45 -0500 From: "Nirav Soni" Subject: Re: Suzuki (NZC) > I recommend this site for everybody interested in > Seijun Suzuki: I recommend this to any NYC fans: http://www.japansociety.org/film.htm . I rented "Tokyo Drifter" and Takeshi Kitano's "Brother" today....so it'll be a fun filled two days of Japanese violence! Nirav - -- OnNow- Iannis Xenakis- Chamber Music 1955-1990 (Auvidis) AIM: Icefactory37 "Duration is to the consciousness as light is to the eye" - Bill Viola - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:13:10 -0500 From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: Hartley; Ibarra quartet on 02.01.17 11:16 AM, Benito Vergara at bvergara@sfsu.edu wrote: > Marilyn Crispell Trio / Susie > Ibarra Quartet concert in March in San Francisco? Oh my gawd. Is this a tandem tour or just you got extremely lucky ??? I'd really like to know, RL - ---------- *** Many THINGS 4 SALE *** [Updated: 01.12.01] http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/ChipsInCashing.html - ---------- [ All of the below and much more at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k ] Sessionographies : CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies : COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; THREADGILL; WORKMAN. Samuel Beckett Eulogy; Baseball & the 10,000 Things; Time Stops; LOVETORN; HARD BOIL; LUCILLE, a Reverential Journal of the Care of the Beloved Hag-- ETC., - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #684 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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