From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #708 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Saturday, January 26 2002 Volume 03 : Number 708 In this issue: - Re: Sparks/Zorn reviews Re: cobra release. Fwd: [PHISH-NEWS] Mike with DJ Logic: February 7 Re: why doesn't Tzadik hook up college/independent radio? contrarycolemanelo contrarycolemanelo Re: why doesn't Tzadik hook up college/independent radio? contrarycolemanelo Re: why doesn't Tzadik hook up college/independent radio? erstwhile Jon Re: why doesn't Tzadik hook up college/independent radio? Re: erstwhile Jon Fwd: Re: erstwhile Jon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 08:15:41 -0800 From: Tosh Subject: Re: Sparks/Zorn reviews It's true that Sparks hasn't always been consistant, but even in their weak releases there are some gems. It has been a dream of mine that Zorn would do a tribute album to them - basically because their melodies are very strong and I feel that there is room for different type of arrangements or views on their music. For sure there 'Island' releases were their masterpieces - but in my opinion they're still doing interesting work. Now they are sort of techno-pop with an eccentric edge. Also they are one of those bands that never really comfortably fit into a specific era. In a way I consider them 'outside' artists - although they are totally pop. On the Zorn/label front, I am always interested in hearing reviews of music released by his label. Is (are) there a website or publication (besides Wire) that consistently gives objective reviews of his releases (and the other artists on the label) as they are being released? - -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:58:10 EST From: Fastian@aol.com Subject: Re: cobra release. << and NC's live!!!). what is this NC live in March? Thanks Francesco (who'll be in NYC in march) >> I believe they meant the archival live cd would be released in March. NC is probably forever defunct. John Threadgould np Premium Plastics-Triage - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:24:06 EST From: UFOrbK8@aol.com Subject: Fwd: [PHISH-NEWS] Mike with DJ Logic: February 7 - --part1_130.8518f1c.29844e46_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i thought some of you would find this interesting... i'm sure many more of you blow off phish as crap, but mike gordon (not michael gordon the Bang on a Can guy), is a pretty fucking brilliant bassist... love, k8. - ----- [ .n o t h i n g i s w h a t i s s a i d. ] .k a t e p e t e r s o n. .c o m p o s e r / p e r f o r m e r. http://www.geocities.com/uforbk8/kate.html http://www.icefoundation.org (roundtable) - --part1_130.8518f1c.29844e46_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-xe03.mx.aol.com (rly-xe03.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.195]) by air-xe01.mail.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINXE13-0125212417; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:24:17 -0500 Received: from cherry.ease.lsoft.com (cherry.ease.lsoft.com [209.119.0.109]) by rly-xe03.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXE31-0125212345; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:23:45 -0500 Received: from PEAR.EASE.LSOFT.COM (209.119.0.19) by cherry.ease.lsoft.com (LSMTP for Digital Unix v1.1b) with SMTP id <6.0050B50D@cherry.ease.lsoft.com>; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:23:36 -0500 Received: from LISTS.NETSPACE.ORG by LISTS.NETSPACE.ORG (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 824540 for PHISH-NEWS@LISTS.NETSPACE.ORG; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:23:22 -0500 Approved-By: dan@NETSPACE.ORG Received: from netspace.org (lists.netspace.org [65.200.185.210]) by lists.netspace.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 747F6204E0 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:18:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (dan@localhost) by netspace.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0Q2I2r25309 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:18:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:18:02 -0500 Reply-To: Dan Hantman Sender: "Phish News from the Phish.Net" From: Dan Hantman Subject: [PHISH-NEWS] Mike with DJ Logic: February 7 To: PHISH-NEWS@LISTS.NETSPACE.ORG X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Phish bassist Mike Gordon will appear at the Knitting Factory in New York on February 7, during a special evening hosted by DJ Logic. (This is one of 28 February nights scheduled to celebrate the venue's 15th anniversary.) DJ Logic will kick off the show with a set of "Trios" sets -- 4 trios of DJ Logic plus two special guests, with each group playing for about 20 minutes. Confirmed trio guests include Gordon, John Medeski, Charlie Hunter, Christian McBride, Billy Martin, and Rob Wasserman. (More guests TBA.) Project Logic, DJ Logic's regular touring outfit, will perform the late show. Tickets are available via http://www.knittingfactory.com/ Enjoy, Dan Hantman - --------------------------------------------------------------- News: www.phish.net //\\ Setlists: www.phish.net/setlists Please send updates and corrections to dan@www.phish.net Subscription info: http://www.phish.net/online/phish-news.html NetSpace LISTSERV(R) software donated by L-Soft: www.lsoft.com - --part1_130.8518f1c.29844e46_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:34:21 -0500 From: "Jesse Kudler" Subject: Re: why doesn't Tzadik hook up college/independent radio? - ----- Original Message ----- From: >and of course, review CDs are absolutely forbidden. Why's this? >they've done: go sell 3-5 shitty CDs and buy the stuff you say you really want with >the proceeds. Hey! No one would ever re-sell promo copies. Don't you know that's illegal?! - -Jesse - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:12:58 -0500 From: "Jeton Ademaj" Subject: contrarycolemanelo Hi All a coupla brief reactions: I also saw all 4 Ornette gigs at Lincoln Center back in '97, and while I thought the "Skys in America" piece suffered from the stiff accuracy of Masur's Philharmonic, I happened to greatly enjoy the *almost* train-wreck of Lou n Laurie on stage. In fact, it happens to have been one of my favourite Laurie Anderson performances ever. It was thrilling to hear *what she did* that nite, regardless of how consistent it was with her general ouevre. Frankly, I'll take one person doing something truly transcendent and beyond themselves in the midst of a chaotic big-band wreck over the more efficient 'organization' of something like Naked City anyday. (it happens that I like NC is slices n segments anyway...). reminds me of Alan Silva on synth, playing with a big band at Vision Festival 4 (was it the Arkestra? i ferget so soon...). He was wayyyyyy too loud for some people, knew it, and worked it, so that often his lines rivaled the rest of the group. it was arrogant, it occasionally drowned out some glorious playing, AND SO FUKN WHAT? IT SOUNDED AWESOME..... also, on a list that often suffers from hellacious "i'm so smart" - -constipation, a bit of Tangelo-ism is wonderful to break things up a bit. btw, who likes blood oranges? i think the italian ones r best >when i saw him with prime time at lincoln center, he brought up laurie >anderson and lou reed (not to mention the glass-walking and >sword->swallowing >women). it was clear that reed and anderson were doing harmolodicized >versions of their songs. it was also utter shite. the concert seemed >more >about proving the wonders of harmolodics then making good music. >*THAT* is >the problem. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:12:59 -0500 From: "Jeton Ademaj" Subject: contrarycolemanelo Hi All a coupla brief reactions: I also saw all 4 Ornette gigs at Lincoln Center back in '97, and while I thought the "Skys in America" piece suffered from the stiff accuracy of Masur's Philharmonic, I happened to greatly enjoy the *almost* train-wreck of Lou n Laurie on stage. In fact, it happens to have been one of my favourite Laurie Anderson performances ever. It was thrilling to hear *what she did* that nite, regardless of how consistent it was with her general ouevre. Frankly, I'll take one person doing something truly transcendent and beyond themselves in the midst of a chaotic big-band wreck over the more efficient 'organization' of something like Naked City anyday. (it happens that I like NC is slices n segments anyway...). reminds me of Alan Silva on synth, playing with a big band at Vision Festival 4 (was it the Arkestra? i ferget so soon...). He was wayyyyyy too loud for some people, knew it, and worked it, so that often his lines rivaled the rest of the group. it was arrogant, it occasionally drowned out some glorious playing, AND SO FUKN WHAT? IT SOUNDED AWESOME..... also, on a list that often suffers from hellacious "i'm so smart" - -constipation, a bit of Tangelo-ism is wonderful to break things up a bit. btw, who likes blood oranges? i think the italian ones r best >when i saw him with prime time at lincoln center, he brought up laurie >anderson and lou reed (not to mention the glass-walking and >sword->swallowing >women). it was clear that reed and anderson were doing harmolodicized >versions of their songs. it was also utter shite. the concert seemed >more >about proving the wonders of harmolodics then making good music. >*THAT* is >the problem. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:15:10 -0500 From: James Hale Subject: Re: why doesn't Tzadik hook up college/independent radio? Mike Chamberlain wrote: > I'm proud to say that CKUT in Montreal--a station I do some programming > on--gets a lot of stuff from Tzadik. Isn't that part of Zorn's Montreal smoked meat and bagels-for-CDs free trade policy? - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:15:20 -0500 From: "Jeton Ademaj" Subject: contrarycolemanelo (sorry if this came incomplete already, it looked like hotmail became possesed for a sec, n 'sent' on it own....ignore this parenthetical if not...) Hi All a coupla brief reactions: I also saw all 4 Ornette gigs at Lincoln Center back in '97, and while I thought the "Skys in America" piece suffered from the stiff accuracy of Masur's Philharmonic, I happened to greatly enjoy the *almost* train-wreck of Lou n Laurie on stage. In fact, it happens to have been one of my favourite Laurie Anderson performances ever. It was thrilling to hear *what she did* that nite, regardless of how consistent it was with her general ouevre. Frankly, I'll take one person doing something truly transcendent and beyond themselves in the midst of a chaotic big-band wreck over the more efficient 'organization' of something like Naked City anyday. (it happens that I like NC is slices n segments anyway...). reminds me of Alan Silva on synth, playing with a big band at Vision Festival 4 (was it the Arkestra? i ferget so soon...). He was wayyyyyy too loud for some people, knew it, and worked it, so that often his lines rivaled the rest of the group. it was arrogant, it occasionally drowned out some glorious playing, it was a big mess, AND SO FUKN WHAT? IT SOUNDED AWESOME..... also, on a list that often suffers from hellacious "i'm so smart" - -constipation, a bit of Tangelo-ism is wonderful to break things up a bit. btw, who likes blood oranges? i think the italian ones r best, sweeter and more complex in flavor than the organic healthfood store variety, and when u took the peel n pith off, from 3 feet away u could scare people into thinking yer eating raw beef....:) >when i saw him with prime time at lincoln center, he brought up laurie >anderson and lou reed (not to mention the glass-walking and >sword->swallowing >women). it was clear that reed and anderson were doing harmolodicized >versions of their songs. it was also utter shite. the concert seemed >more >about proving the wonders of harmolodics then making good music. >*THAT* is >the problem. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:41:35 -0500 From: Matthew Moffett Subject: Re: why doesn't Tzadik hook up college/independent radio? There are quite a number of small labels in just about every genre that do not send promos unless it is worth their while, meaning that they know it will get listed on a top 20 list for a station, either for full rotation or for a specific genre (ie jazz, metal, industrial, whatever). Some labels refuse to deal with college stations simply because the turnover of staff and tastes is so fast and so subject to what the popular underground thing is. I worked really hard in college to get some particular electronic labels to send things to us, only to have the pd call me 6 months after I left for help in getting back on their list. Also understand that labels like Tzadik have a very specific audience, and they don't have "bigtime" acts to help supplement their income and pay for the more interesting projects. They know who their audience is, and focus on that. To do otherwise would be a waste of their money. I would try contacting them direct, but just be ready to justify to them why they should give you free promos. You might do better by asking to buy them at cost. Of course, there's always the internet and MP3s. Occasionally you can find things there, and if you have a studio it's easy to transfer MP3s to cassette or another medium to play on-air. Good luck. Matt Andrew wrote: > > As some of you may or may not know, I'm the music director of a pretty > decent college radio station (www.wuvt.vt.edu ). > > Since taking over the position, I was told by the previous guy to not even > bother supplicating Tzadik for records...apparently, they could care less > about hooking up radio stations, or even offering a discounted purchase > price for their records. > > Does anyone know why? I just don't get it. Not even NPR stations play Tzadik > records...college/independent radio is THE format that pushes their stuff. > Considering the volume of records that Tzadik puts out, they're obviously > not hurting too bad in the financial department - why don't they hook us up > with records, or at the very least offer a discount purchasing program? > > It just seems a bit selfish- when guys that are running tiny labels out of > their bedrooms, not even breaking even in the $$ department are willing to > hook up college radio with their records. > > andrew > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:57:53 -0500 From: "Jeton Ademaj" Subject: erstwhile Jon damn, i made my 'constipated' comment while reading an earlier digest, n i missed Jon's announcement he's leaving the list. a pity, that ass-backed-up comment was meant for him most. I always read (most) of the list even when i lack time/carpal tunnel strength to answer. I get into arguments once in a blue, and I'll throw heavy (or only seemingly heavy) accusations and characterizations around as i see fit, BUT (someone correct me IIW) I never find myself simply unloading condescending insults n comments to people i disagree with the way ersty-jon often does, even to the point of (seriously?) putting down people's spelling n grammar 'errors' (a fool's errand in e-munications!) u gave more to the list than me by far, jonny, but i'm NOT sorry to see you go (MOOOOOO HOOOOO HOOOO! MOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOO!) CHEERS :) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:00:40 -0500 From: Mike Chamberlain Subject: Re: why doesn't Tzadik hook up college/independent radio? on 1/26/02 2:15 PM, James Hale at jhale@sympatico.ca wrote: > Mike Chamberlain wrote: > >> I'm proud to say that CKUT in Montreal--a station I do some programming >> on--gets a lot of stuff from Tzadik. > > Isn't that part of Zorn's Montreal smoked meat and bagels-for-CDs free trade > policy? > > > - Yes, the thought did occur that this was it. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:15:11 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: erstwhile Jon - --- Jeton Ademaj wrote: > u gave more to the list than me by far, jonny, but > i'm NOT sorry to see you > go (MOOOOOO HOOOOO HOOOO! MOOOOOOOOOOOOO > HOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOO!) Is it possible that the end times are upon us, or that a couple list members have simultaneously forgotten to take their medication? Why are the cartoon-loud postings of a couple "members" of this community suddenly so prevalent? All the quoted above from a "member" who recently, loudly abused our (nonpresent) list administrator---- who has given god knows how much time to keeping this list running, for all of us to enjoy----based on an insanely paranoid conspiracy theory. How typical that a couple dull, loud, poison apples would ruin this list and chase off SUBSTANTIAL contributors who have better things to do than cultivate a spectral digital persona and scrape up 15 seconds of notoriety. - ---------s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:58:47 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= Subject: Fwd: Re: erstwhile Jon HI, Scott, I would have never been MORE ELOQUENT!!!! Absolutely nothing to add. Efrén del Valle > > Is it possible that the end times are upon us, or > that > a couple list members have simultaneously forgotten > to > take their medication? Why are the cartoon-loud > postings of a couple "members" of this community > suddenly so prevalent? All the quoted above from a > "member" who recently, loudly abused our > (nonpresent) > list administrator---- who has given god knows how > much time to keeping this list running, for all of > us > to enjoy----based on an insanely paranoid conspiracy > theory. How typical that a couple dull, loud, > poison > apples would ruin this list and chase off > SUBSTANTIAL > contributors who have better things to do than > cultivate a spectral digital persona and scrape up > 15 > seconds of notoriety. > > ---------s > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com > > - > _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #708 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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