From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #736 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Saturday, February 2 2002 Volume 03 : Number 736 In this issue: - new to the list Re: Herbie Hancock Re: new to the list Re: Jazz Punk RE: new to the list Re: new to the list Re: French pock/rop French pock/rop.........post Gainsbourg Re: French pock/rop Re: Peter Cusak's MY FAVORITE SOUNDS OF LONDON Re: new Toop collection (was Cusak...) Zorn-Frith-Lombardo-Laswell-5-21-001 Fwd: Re: new to the list Re: new to the list Re: new to the list Re: French pock/rop Henri Salvador Alain Bashung........post Gainsbourg Re: new to the list Re: Zorn Live =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rk?= (was: Re: new to the list) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:56:23 -0800 (PST) From: Banjology Subject: new to the list Hi all, My name is John. I'm from maine and currently studying jazz at the University of Southern Maine. I'm a huge zorn fan and even more a fan of Bill Frisell, since i play guitar. I look forward to talking to you all about this great style of music! John ===== Banjology@yahoo.com AOL Messenger - GtrJazz9 ICQ - 135811954 Yahoo Messenger - GtrJazz9 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 21:57:50 -0800 From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: Herbie Hancock From: TagYrIt@aol.com Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:56:44 EST To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: Herbie Hancock I've tried listening to Future2Future several times, and it just seems really flat and directionless to me. However, a friend of mine suggested that, based on Hancock's career, you have to take the "jazz" out of the equation for this one. Which unfortunately leaves me with another uninteresting hip-hop (?) album. Dale. I agree. I didn't think the hip-hop aspect was all that compellingly rendered, and Herbie's solos sounded kind of phoned in over top of this rather undistinguished bed of electronic wash. Herbie's always been at his best when interacting with other players in the moment, and it would be interesting to see what would happen if he was made to face off with a Cut Chemist or a Mixmaster Mike. skip h np: THE WORLD"S GREATEST SINNER - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 22:19:12 -0800 From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: new to the list > From: Banjology > Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:56:23 -0800 (PST) > To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > Subject: new to the list > > Hi all, > My name is John. I'm from maine and currently studying > jazz at the University of Southern Maine. I'm a huge > zorn fan and even more a fan of Bill Frisell, since i > play guitar. > I look forward to talking to you all about this great > style of music! > > John > John -- You are best to wear a prtective cup. This list has gotten ugly lately. Agree with everybody all the time, hold the avant-garde as sacred and populated by nothing but perfect godly figures whose musicianship is beyond reproach, and you too may grow up to be a venerated member. Here are some useful tips for your protection: hot: 70s Miles, free Trane, any Ornette Coleman, speed metal, Bjork, anything on Erstwhile, anything Marc Ribot plays on, Dave Douglas as a general rule not: Tommy Flanagan, Grover Washington, bluegrass music (even Clarence White), Van Halen, anything Marc Ribot doesn't play on (except the last Tom Waits album) the jury is out on: the last few Frisell discs, Cecil Taylor (in some quarters), Weather Report (ditto), and whether James Blood Ulmer's last record was all that and a bag of chips, and which period was Sun Ra's period you will be shot if: you dispute the vailidty of Ornette, Bjork, Ayler, music with a large electronics quotient of any kind, and it is likely best if you keep away from mentioning any sort of citrus fruits for the time being. Flaming is bad, unless you flame me, because I dislike Ornette Coleman and Bjork (instensely, I might add). I have been singled out for such blaspheming and flamed like a [insert whatever flames], as I disavow Ornette Coleman while listening to my vast collection of 1970's horn funk records. About the only way I get downright rude -- although I once called Bill Ashline "hard to love" -- is if you write uncomplimentry things about Uri Caine. He's so nice. welcome aboard -- skip heller - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 01:19:39 EST From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Jazz Punk In a message dated 2/1/02 12:50:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, fkmoffet@erols.com writes: << Don't know if I'd call Hotel X Jazz-punk so much as jazz rock, but they were a good band and were the ones to crack open my brain enough to finally accept fusion. Ladders is good, as is Uncommon Grounds. One of the few good bands to ever come out of Richmond, and they worked harder than most bands I've ever seen, often changing their names every few months to re-invent their material running through differnent veins of jazz and math rock. Last I heard, most of them spend their time in Bio Ritmo now, a project similar to Ribot's latino stuff that started mostly as a joke. >> So *that's* why Bio Ritmo cooked like they did in the three appearances they've made to Columbia, SC. They're a great salsa/hiphop (salsahop?) putfit that'll have that ass a' shakin', without a doubt. - -- V.A. The Lost Grooves (Rare And Previously Unreleased Slices Of Funk From The Vaults Of Blue Note 67-70...cookin' stuff!!) =dg= - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 02:04:20 -0500 From: "Zachary Steiner" Subject: RE: new to the list Well put, Skip. Way to scare the guy off. Zach - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 00:30:45 -0800 From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: new to the list > From: "Zachary Steiner" > Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 02:04:20 -0500 > To: "'Skip Heller'" , > Subject: RE: new to the list > > Well put, Skip. Way to scare the guy off. > > Zach > Likely you've been to a Flyers game by now. And if you hadn't, believe me, I wouldn't send you in unprepared. This past week has been much like that (except without the great Gene Hart announcing at rinkside). It would be cruel of us not to let this young man know up front our potential for collective ugliness. your good neighbor around the way -- skip h - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 09:46:27 +0100 From: Bertrand Guggenheim Subject: Re: French pock/rop Looks like the right moment for coming back to the list, even if 46 messages during the 1st night is a bit hard for me ... duncan youngerman, I mainly agree with your opinions about french singers. Veronique Sanson & Patricia Kaas are also amongst the very few I can listen (my jazz backgrounds ...). But Gainsbourg has hilarious songs and he really swings. "No Comment" comes to mind, and they are many others ... You did not mention Henri Salvador. One of the most amazing and totally out came from the cd Jazz Magazine had with its last december issue: "I" (Chanson Surrealiste), a 1948 song. And I can't resist to mention this other one from Duke: "French jazz is like american champagne" (but they both improve ....) Bertrand - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:37:23 +0100 From: "Bza" Subject: French pock/rop.........post Gainsbourg Hi I don't listen to much French artist but some has done great albums recently.... Noir desir always been a good band but the last Noir Desir album is a great thing for French rock.....a very good album, intelligent, great lyrics......2001 best french album for sure. My favorite French artist is Alain Bashung. The last 3 albums from Bashung are great. There is a constant evolution in Bashung's works and that what makes him different from the other French band or artist. I personnaly find that Fantaisie Militaire is the best French album from the 90s. If you haven't already listen to "La nuit je mens", you definately have to try it......it's a great, great song. Following Bashung in my personnal french all of fame there is Dominique A. As Bashung, there is an evolution in his albums....He started with some popular hits (like 'twenty-two Bar') but the albums were more complex. Then his albums became more and more complex so people found them hard-to-listen but for me all of them are must-have albums. So if you want to discover some great French artists, try these one up there !!! :) Bza - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:40:11 +0200 From: Oger Subject: Re: French pock/rop Well, what is swing ? Can white jazz players swing ? An interesting question, for blindfold tests fans. Anyway, I agree with you that many french rappers try to imitate american groups! BUT, I believe there are some good artists in the french rap scene who deserve attention. For instance, I think of Kery James. His music is not an american hip hop copy. He is more influenced by his roots : african traditional music. Of course, it makes more sense in that case. If you don't know him, and if you live in France (?), try listening to him. Jacques Oger (a little bit surprised to read all these posts about french singers! My favorite french songs are on the accordeon). >From: duncan youngerman > >As for French rappers, I just don't believe them=2E They act angry 'cause >they saw American rappers act angry and become multi-millionaires=2E >The whole gospel/ talking-blues tradition that's behind hip-hop is >entirely foreign to them=2E >As Duke Ellington used to say: "if it ain't got that swing=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E= >=2E=2E" > >Best, >DY=2E > - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:40:24 +0200 From: Oger Subject: Re: Peter Cusak's MY FAVORITE SOUNDS OF LONDON Yes it is a new CD released by LMC (London Musician's Collective). Mailorder. Visit their website : www.l-m-c.org.uk Jacques (strange to write you in english!) > >From: "Patrice L. Roussel" > > A couple of days ago, Peter Cusak was interviewed on NPR about his new >project: gathering sounds from London selected by various people. It was not >clear if this was made on record (no label was mentioned, and I was listening >to carefully). Does anybody know more on this? > > Thanks, - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 07:09:24 -0500 From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: new Toop collection (was Cusak...) At 11:36 AM 2/1/02 -0800, Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > > Patrice (also waiting for the new compilation from David Toop). If this is the Not Necessarily English Music collection I asked about a few days ago, I'm listening to it now. By a strange coincidence, this arrived in my mailbox the day after I posted my inquiry, and if anyone is interested in the set, I'd highly recommend spending a little extra and getting the Leonardo Music Journal, which is devoted to this set and contains a great deal of extra written material (although no convenient jewel box for the cds). The music itself is, predictably, rather raw. Steve Beresford, for example, has two short tracks, both of which were recorded on 6-inch vinyl in "Record your own voice" booths in train stations. The AMM track is from the same period as the ReR album, but again, a live recording and considerably low-fi. There are excellent performances from John Stevens, Parker & Lytton, Derek Bailey (although this track is also available on one of his solo Incus releases, the only track here available elsewhere). The noisier tracks, like the ones by Daphne Oram and Ranulph Glanville, are wonderfully reminiscent of the early live electronics from Cage & Tudor, and have a fresh approach that is missing from many post-modern improv artists. More about the set, including track listings, is at http://www.cdemusic.org/store/cde_search.cfm?keywords=em136. - -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 04:53:31 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gatzen Subject: Zorn-Frith-Lombardo-Laswell-5-21-001 I have this netcast on MP3 if anyone was interested in file swapping. I don't have an FTP, I could transfer the file through aim or if anyone has an FTP I can upload it on I can do that too. I have other files to swap that are Zorn related if anyone is interested in trading let me know. Tom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 14:25:04 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= Subject: Fwd: Re: new to the list Funny message, Skip. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who dislikes (to say the least) Björk. John, don't pay attention to Skip's comments, It's been hard on him lately!! :-) Best, Efrén del Valle n.p: Fugazi "Repeater" _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 08:58:12 EST From: TagYrIt@aol.com Subject: Re: new to the list - --part1_161.82107eb.298d4a74_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/2/02 1:17:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, velaires@earthlink.net writes: > John -- > You are best to wear a prtective cup. This list has gotten ugly lately. > Agree with everybody all the time, hold the avant-garde as sacred and > populated by nothing but perfect godly figures whose musicianship is beyond > reproach, and you too may grow up to be a venerated member. Here are some > useful tips for your protection: > Skip, which issue of Mad magazine was this (and the rest of it) in? This is SO us! Dale. - --part1_161.82107eb.298d4a74_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/2/02 1:17:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, velaires@earthlink.net writes:


John --
You are best to wear a prtective cup.  This list has gotten ugly lately.
Agree with everybody all the time, hold the avant-garde as sacred and
populated by nothing but perfect godly figures whose musicianship is beyond
reproach, and you too may grow up to be a venerated member.  Here are some
useful tips for your protection:


Skip, which issue of Mad magazine was this (and the rest of it) in? This is SO us! <G>

Dale. - --part1_161.82107eb.298d4a74_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 07:12:42 -0800 (PST) From: Banjology Subject: Re: new to the list You guys will have to do more than that to scare me off. Though I do agree with all the players you all like, I have to say the thing about not liking folk/bluegrass music isn't really that great. I personally think that it really blends great with modern jazz. If you don't think so take a listen to Frisells "Blues Dream". But anyway....i just had to say that little piece. Umm so let me say more about what i do. I like i said play guitar. The stuff I play with my own groups is pretty modern stuff i think. I use a bunch of different "sonic" tools when i play (effects) from fuzz right up to delays a samplers. I am fortunate enough to know a lot of musicians that are currently on the scene. Including Bill Frisell, Dave Douglas, Tony Malaby, Jeff Williams, John Abercrombie......etc. So anyway..thats me...i can't wait to here more about what you folks do..... John ===== Banjology@yahoo.com AOL Messenger - GtrJazz9 ICQ - 135811954 Yahoo Messenger - GtrJazz9 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 08:12:23 -0800 From: Tosh Subject: Re: French pock/rop Henri Salvador >Speaking of Henri Salvador, can anyone recommend a good collection >to start with. I don't know his music at all, but I am interested >in him because of the Boris Vian connection. I would like to find a >collection of songs written by Vian and Salvador. I imagine most of >this material would be from the mid-50's. Thanks - -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 08:24:04 -0800 From: Tosh Subject: Alain Bashung........post Gainsbourg >I know his name, but I don't know his music or albums at all. Is he >pop? Is he jazz? > > >- - -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 11:28:41 -0500 From: Alan Lankin Subject: Re: new to the list Lol. Skip's list should be added to a FAQ for the group... Alan Skip Heller wrote: > You are best to wear a prtective cup. This list has gotten ugly lately. > Agree with everybody all the time, hold the avant-garde as sacred and > populated by nothing but perfect godly figures whose musicianship is beyond > reproach, and you too may grow up to be a venerated member. Here are some > useful tips for your protection: > > hot: [etc, ...] - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 11:40:25 -0500 From: Alan Lankin Subject: Re: Zorn Live I publishing listings of Philadelphia jazz-related concerts at: http://home.att.net/~lankina/jazz/phillyjazz.html (I also send out a weekly email of the week's concerts, check the page for info.) There's also a philadelphia/baltimore improvised music mailing list. Alan Lankin - -- Jazzmatazz http://jazzmatazz.home.att.net lankina@att.net Andrew Nairn wrote: > Hello, What web sites do I check for upcoming performances by Zorn (or > similar music)? (in the New York, Philadelpia, Washington D.C. area) - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 18:02:25 +0100 From: patRice Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rk?= (was: Re: new to the list) Efrén del Valle wrote: > > I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who dislikes (to > say the least) Björk. > Efrén - count me in; I have also really started disliking her. I loved the first album, but now her singing just gets on my nerves very big time. BTW: did you notice that we are discovering more and more things we do have in common, Efrén? ;-) patRice np: Jeff Mills, various Purpose Maker 12"s nr: Chris Wroblewski, Skin Shows III - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #736 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com