From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #738 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Sunday, February 3 2002 Volume 03 : Number 738 In this issue: - Susie Ibarra Trio? Review: Jim O'Rourke: =?iso-8859-1?Q?I=B4m_?= Happy, And =?iso-8859-1?Q?I=B4m_?= Singing, And a 1,2,3,4 G.F. Fitzgerald Re: Susie Ibarra Trio? Re: Bjornette again? RE: Susie Ibarra Trio? Re: Bjornette again? Re: Susie Ibarra Trio? Re: Susie Ibarra Trio? Re: Bjornette again? RE: Bjornette again? Re: G.F. Fitzgerald Re: new to the list Re: G.F. Fitzgerald Re: Zorn plays Zappa Re: Susie Ibarra Trio? mark dresser trio was tonight... Re: French pock/rop Henri Salvador =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Bj=F6rk_=28was:_Re:_new_to_the_list=29?= Re: Susie Ibarra Trio? Re: Susie Ibarra Trio? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 19:12:51 -0500 From: "Jason J. Tar" Subject: Susie Ibarra Trio? At 04:53 PM 2/2/2002 -0700, you wrote: I saw Songbird Suite at the local shop and it looked interesting, but unfortunately Tzadik's website has no samples. Perhaps anyone here might have heard and can describe this? I've never heard of Susie Ibarra before, so.... How much input does Mori have? THanks. - --- Peace Hugs and Unity Jason J. Tar W. W. J. D? (What would Jason Do?) ICQ@13792120 - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 19:59:42 -0500 From: David Keffer Subject: Review: Jim O'Rourke: =?iso-8859-1?Q?I=B4m_?= Happy, And =?iso-8859-1?Q?I=B4m_?= Singing, And a 1,2,3,4 A few months ago, I asked for the list for reviews on O'Rourke's album "Insignificance" (Drag City, 2001). I think there was one or two posters who had heard the album and gave it a thumbs down. Based on this information, I did not purchase it. However, since that time I have had the opportunity to hear it and, in its defense, I have to say that it is not at all a wretched record. A couple of the songs are nice and marginally catchy pop songs. The chief flaw of the record is that it is a relatively pale imitation of "Bad Timing" released three or four years earlier. =20 That said, I maintained some interest in O'Rourke's most recent record because (i) it's not a pop song, (ii) he doesn't sing on it, and (iii) it has a nice title. So here is a review. Label:MEGO 050 Artist: Jim O=B4Rourke Title: I=B4m Happy, And I=B4m Singing, And a 1,2,3,4 Release: January, 2002 To my knowledge, I don't think I have a solo computer record by anyone. It seems that those records just aren't my cup of tea. However, I have listened to this album four or five times since I have had it all the way through (an unprecedented event for me with this sort of record). It's very listenable, very accessible, and sort of fun. To be honest, I was afraid that a solo computer album was going to have a lot of digital gadgetry that may be pressing the frontiers of experimental music but is dull to sit down and listen to for 40 minutes. So, I was pleasantly surprised at the musical extent of all three tracks. Very musical, very melodic (given the fact that its a solo computer project). This cd harkens back to O'Rourke's earlier composer days, which were fine and enlightening days indeed. Here I am thinking of "A Young Person's Guide To Drowning" on "Disengage" (Staaltape/Korm Plastics, STCD 048/KP 4294, 1992) & "Scend" (Divided, DIV01, 1992). =20 To better explain what I am getting at, I should compare "I=B4m Happy, And I=B4m Singing, And a 1,2,3,4" to "The Magic Sound of Fenno'Berg" (Mego 031), which also was released on Mego in 1999, which featured O'Rourke, Christian Fennesz, and Peter Rehberg, and which I have never made it all the way through. That record is a pastiche of gimmicky computer bits that is totally uninteresting to me. So, if you thought "The Magic Sound of Fenno'Berg" was a very fine record (and there have been many positive things said of it on this list) then bear in mind that "I=B4m Happy, And I= =B4m Singing, And a 1,2,3,4" isn't much like it. That's all. David K. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 19:59:50 -0500 From: David Keffer Subject: G.F. Fitzgerald I recently got my hands on a copy of Caroline Records C 1518 Guitar solos 2 Derek Bailey/Fred Frith/G.F. Fitzgerald/Hans Reichel All tracks recorded in December 1975 or January 1976. It is a very fine record but one peculiar thing is that three of these four guitarists are luminaries in their field and the other I have never heard of outside this record. Does anyone know who G.F. Fitzgerald is/was and how he came to be on a compilation with these other three superstars? David K. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 20:42:11 -0500 From: Mike Chamberlain Subject: Re: Susie Ibarra Trio? on 2/2/02 7:12 PM, Jason J. Tar at tarjason@pilot.msu.edu wrote: I've never heard of Susie Ibarra before, > so.... Should we allow this guy to stay on the list? - --Mike - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 20:56:24 -0500 From: Mike Chamberlain Subject: Re: Bjornette again? on 2/2/02 1:06 PM, thomas chatterton at chatterton23@hotmail.com wrote: > > Any word on the rumoured collaboration between Bjork and Ornette? > > They've been trying to get Skip Heller to produce it, but so far, no go. - --Mike - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 17:57:45 -0800 From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: Susie Ibarra Trio? > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Mike Chamberlain > Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 5:42 PM > on 2/2/02 7:12 PM, Jason J. Tar at tarjason@pilot.msu.edu wrote: > > I've never heard of Susie Ibarra before, > > so.... > > Should we allow this guy to stay on the list? Jeez, winks and grins are a little difficult to communicate over e-mail. Don't scare the guy off! I've only had the chance to listen to "Songbird Suite" once, so I can't say very much. But Ikue Mori plays on 3 tracks. The album sounds very... [gropes for word] ...fragile, in a way, with lots of cymbals and wisps of violin. I almost wrote that it was psychically reminiscent of, um, "Vespertine," but I didn't want to incur the wrath of Skip and Efren. =) But "Songbird Suite" is in marked contrast, I think, to "Radiance" (also mostly with piano and violin, but with Charles Burnham and Cooper-Moore), which has a more muscular, aggressive sound to it. And the best cover of Hendrix's "Up from the Skies" since Rickie Lee Jones's on "Pop Pop." Later, Ben http://members.tripod.com/~tamad2/ ICQ/AIM: thewilyfilipino - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 18:05:14 -0800 From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: Bjornette again? > From: Mike Chamberlain > Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 20:56:24 -0500 > To: thomas chatterton , > > Subject: Re: Bjornette again? > >> >> Any word on the rumoured collaboration between Bjork and Ornette? >> >> > They've been trying to get Skip Heller to produce it, but so far, no go. > > --Mike > There is not enough money to get me to sit through anything that promises to be that unpleasant. The funniest assessment of Bjork I've heard -- "The Sinead O'Connor of the technoid generation." skip h - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 18:09:00 -0800 From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: Susie Ibarra Trio? > From: "Benito Vergara" > Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 17:57:45 -0800 > To: "Zorn List" > Subject: RE: Susie Ibarra Trio? > > I didn't want to incur the wrath of Skip and Efren. =) > > But "Songbird Suite" is in marked contrast, I think, to "Radiance" (also > mostly with piano and violin, but with Charles Burnham and Cooper-Moore), > which has a more muscular, aggressive sound to it. And the best cover of > Hendrix's "Up from the Skies" since Rickie Lee Jones's on "Pop Pop." > > Later, > Ben Anytime there's a bad cover of Hendrix -- Ribot's "Wind Cries Mary" or Byron's "If Six Was Nine" from someone I respect, I get pissed off, because while I avoided listening to Hendrix like the plague when I was coming up, the guy's songwriting is inescapable. My fav Hendrix covers -- the Rickie Lee among them (POP POP as a whole was just great), as well as a gorgeous bootleg of Stevie Ray Vaughan playing "Little Wing" solo (accoustic twelve string no less). skip h - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 22:04:18 -0500 From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: Susie Ibarra Trio? on 02.02.02 8:42 PM, Mike Chamberlain at mikec@rocler.qc.ca wrote: > on 2/2/02 7:12 PM, Jason J. Tar at tarjason@pilot.msu.edu wrote: > > I've never heard of Susie Ibarra before, >> so.... > > Should we allow this guy to stay on the list? > > --Mike No. Make him memorize Susie's recordings in order of session date before he can say another gawddam word: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/IBARRA.disc.html I'm dead serious, RL - ---------- [ All of the below and much more at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k ] Sessionographies : CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies : COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; THREADGILL; WORKMAN. Samuel Beckett Eulogy; Baseball & the 10,000 Things; Time Stops; LOVETORN; HARD BOIL; LUCILLE, a Reverential Journal of the Care of the Beloved Hag; ETC., - ---------- *** THINGS 4 SALE *** [Updated: 01.12.01] http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/ChipsInCashing.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:26:19 -0800 From: "Rev. Floyd Heirs" Subject: Re: Bjornette again? Bjork is the shit, man. Her performance at LA's Dorothy Chandler Pavilion was worth twice the ticket price. Absolutely stunning. And her voice is magnificent. Icelandish, but sublime. And Zeena with her no less. np: The Fire Tale - Borah Bergman/Evan Parker - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 22:34:29 -0500 From: "Zachary Steiner" Subject: RE: Bjornette again? >> Bjork is the shit, man. Her performance at LA's Dorothy Chandler Pavilion was worth twice the ticket price. Was she wearing the swan? Zach - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 03:50:07 +0000 From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Re: G.F. Fitzgerald >From: David Keffer > Does anyone know who G.F. Fitzgerald is/was >and how he came to be on a compilation with these other >three superstars? Part of the late '60s Canterbury jazz-rock scene, had a band with Geoff Leigh (flute & sax player later in Henry Cow, hence the Frith connection) called Mouseproof, did a solo album with the same name that also featured underrated sax player Lyn Dobson (later in Soft Machine); I thought Cuneiform was supposed to put out a new record by him? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 04:20:04 EST From: UFOrbK8@aol.com Subject: Re: new to the list In a message dated 2/2/02 12:53:40 PM, zsteiner@butler.edu writes: >You might want to add that he shouldn't agree with K8 on anything. That >will keep him in good graces with the powers that be. > [scoff, cough, gag, heave...] who are the powers that be, anyways? k8. <--- lowerCASE k. - ----- [ .n o t h i n g i s w h a t i s s a i d. ] .k a t e p e t e r s o n. .c o m p o s e r / p e r f o r m e r. http://www.geocities.com/uforbk8/kate.html http://www.icefoundation.org (roundtable) - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 10:49:05 +0100 From: "Remco Takken" Subject: Re: G.F. Fitzgerald David wrote: Does anyone know who G.F. Fitzgerald is/was and how he came to be on a compilation with these other three superstars? David K. - - I suspect Hans Reichel would be very disturbed when you called him a superstar. As for Fred Frith, he was in the top 40 once, he arranged Robert Wyatt's I'm a believer single. Bye, Remco - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 10:43:57 +0100 From: "Remco Takken" Subject: Re: Zorn plays Zappa Jody wrote: the name Zappa came up. Zorn was like Yeah ! Zappa !! then he starts mouthing the riffs to peaches n Regalia while Frith was kinda faking it on guitar. Good stuff...... - -Jody - - On early Henry Cow albums with Fred Frith you can just hear echoes of Zappa's Burnt Weany Sandwich, Uncle Meat and Weasels Ripped My Flesh concepts. Part of Frith comes from early Zappa, but ofcourse he drew from innumerable other sources to enrichen his work. Frith's tendency to release orchestra stuff in later life might even point to a similar development (both Zappa and Frith are autodidacts). In the movie STEP ACROSS THE BORDER, Frith talks about the total and utter Beatles obsession he had when he was young. Now there's an influence I wouldn't come up with when listening to Frith! As for Zorn, in managing Tzadik, he is just as witty and commercial as Zappa was: both created a great, recognisable brand, where musically everything could happen. In both cases, especially compared to other contemporary composers, their stuff sells fairly well. Zorn maybe somewhat less than Zappa. But then again, both Zorns own output, as well as the complete Tzadik catalogue, are much bigger than Zappa's output as a leader and producer. Regards, Remco Takken - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 11:03:25 +0100 From: "Remco Takken" Subject: Re: Susie Ibarra Trio? > > I've never heard of Susie Ibarra before, >> so.... > Susie Ibarra belongs to the group of musicians around David S. Ware, Matthew Ship and William Parker. Check out the record label she runs with her husband, saxofonist Assif Tsahar. Ibarra is mainly a free jazz drummer, although her duo record with Tsahar 'Home Cookin' makes good use of all kinds of instruments laying around the Ibarra/Tsahar house. May, in a few years, the young Ibarra/ Tsahar couple get two or three kids: I would surely buy their family cd-album. Regards, Remco Takken - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 04:52:23 EST From: UFOrbK8@aol.com Subject: mark dresser trio was tonight... friends, zornfans, worldlypersons, i wish you all could have been at mark dresser trio tonight. although i got in free i would have GLADLY paid $50 for that ticket because it was so completely perfect. accompaniment to 4 films... un chien andalou, chronicles of an asthmatic stripper, and the two moisture project films. aside from the dali, mark dresser wrote the music FIRST and then the film was made afterwards for his music, and it was so fucking cool. and the little 'soundtrack' the trio provided for un chien was plausibly the best live accompaniment i have ever seen to a silent film. ever. this was only the second gig they've played with the 4 films. when/if it comes to where you are, Go See It. i promise, it's worth it. plus, they opened with three tunes and closed with a really nice one. oh yeah, it ruled. love, k8. - ----- [ .n o t h i n g i s w h a t i s s a i d. ] .k a t e p e t e r s o n. .c o m p o s e r / p e r f o r m e r. http://www.geocities.com/uforbk8/kate.html http://www.icefoundation.org (roundtable) - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 12:02:12 +0100 From: "dekater" Subject: Re: French pock/rop Henri Salvador I believe this has been discussed before. There's an excellent compilation of Viansongs by various interpreters (including Vian himself). The box exists of 6 cd's. One of them contains "Chansons Rock" with a.o. Henri Salvador (using the name Henry Cording for the occasion). Vian and Salvador composed in a nick of time lot of rocksongs after they heard this kind of music on import lp's. They laughed their heads off and just couldn't believe this was meant to be serious. Needless to say that songs and texts are very funny. The box appeared on Polygram and is still available. When you read French you should also get the book "Chansons" (Ed. Christian Bourgois) which contains all songtexts Vian has written. Jan Luyben - ----- Original Message ----- From: Tosh To: Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 5:12 PM Subject: Re: French pock/rop Henri Salvador > >Speaking of Henri Salvador, can anyone recommend a good collection > >to start with. I don't know his music at all, but I am interested > >in him because of the Boris Vian connection. I would like to find a > >collection of songs written by Vian and Salvador. I imagine most of > >this material would be from the mid-50's. > > Thanks > > > > -- > Tosh Berman > TamTam Books > http://www.tamtambooks.com > > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 12:03:43 +0100 From: "dekater" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Bj=F6rk_=28was:_Re:_new_to_the_list=29?= OK Efren I like Spain a lot and dislike Bjork Jan Luyben - ----- Original Message ----- From: patRice To: Efrén del Valle Cc: Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 6:02 PM Subject: Björk (was: Re: new to the list) > > > Efrén del Valle wrote: > > > > > I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who dislikes (to > > say the least) Björk. > > > > Efrén - count me in; I have also really started disliking her. I loved > the first album, but now her singing just gets on my nerves very big > time. > > BTW: did you notice that we are discovering more and more things we do > have in common, Efrén? ;-) > > patRice > > np: Jeff Mills, various Purpose Maker 12"s > nr: Chris Wroblewski, Skin Shows III > > > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 07:56:37 -0500 From: "David Beardsley" Subject: Re: Susie Ibarra Trio? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Remco Takken" > > I've never heard of Susie Ibarra before, > >> so.... > > > Susie Ibarra belongs to the group of musicians around David S. Ware, Matthew > Ship and William Parker. > > Check out the record label she runs with her husband, saxofonist Assif > Tsahar. Ibarra is mainly a free jazz drummer, although her duo record with > Tsahar 'Home Cookin' makes good use of all kinds of instruments laying > around the Ibarra/Tsahar house. > > May, in a few years, the young Ibarra/ Tsahar couple get two or three kids: > I would surely buy their family cd-album. Ain't gonna happen. They haven't been together for a while. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 07:53:46 -0500 From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: Susie Ibarra Trio? on 02.02.03 5:03 AM, Remco Takken at r.takken@planet.nl wrote: >> >> I've never heard of Susie Ibarra before, >>> so.... >> > Susie Ibarra belongs to the group of musicians around David S. Ware, Matthew > Ship and William Parker. Well, she was up until a few years ago, but there was a split, and now she is most definitely *not* w/ any Ware 4tet folk. > Check out the record label she runs with her husband, saxofonist Assif > Tsahar. Ibarra is mainly a free jazz drummer, although her duo record with > Tsahar 'Home Cookin' makes good use of all kinds of instruments laying > around the Ibarra/Tsahar house. > > May, in a few years, the young Ibarra/ Tsahar couple get two or three kids: > I would surely buy their family cd-album. In addition, she and Assif split a few years ago. (But Home Cookin' is still a good recommendation) You're behind the times, Remco! ;-) RL - ---------- [ All of the below and much more at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k ] Sessionographies : CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies : COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; THREADGILL; WORKMAN. Samuel Beckett Eulogy; Baseball & the 10,000 Things; Time Stops; LOVETORN; HARD BOIL; LUCILLE, a Reverential Journal of the Care of the Beloved Hag; ETC., - ---------- *** THINGS 4 SALE *** [Updated: 01.12.01] http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/ChipsInCashing.html - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #738 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? 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