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Zorn List Digest       Monday, February 4 2002       Volume 03 : Number 740



In this issue:
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       Re: Bj=?ISO-8859-1?B?9g==?=rk (was: Re: new to the list)
       mean accordions?
       Re: mean accordions?
       Re: mean accordions?
       Re: new O'Rourke
       Re: mean accordions?
       =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_Bj=F6rk_=28was:_Re:_new_to_the_list=29?=
       Bjork
       Re: French punk jazz
       Re: Bjork
       Re: Weather Report
       Re: Bjork
       RE: david bowie (slight return)
       Non-JZ Sale (lowered): NEW AUTO'd Jap Tortoise CD + 7" vinyl
       Cartoon Music
       Re: Cartoon Music
       Zorn Does Zappa: Tzadik's reply
       Re: Cartoon Music
       =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Bj=F6rk_=28was:_Re:_new_to_the_list=29?=
       Re: Cartoon Music
       Bjork
       Re: Bjork ranting+raving (No Zorn Content)

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Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 22:27:16 -0800
From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Bj=?ISO-8859-1?B?9g==?=rk (was: Re: new to the list)

> From: "Rev. Freud Hairs" <keithmar@msn.com>
> Reply-To: "Rev. Freud Hairs" <keithmar@msn.com>
> Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 20:23:14 -0800
> To: <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
> Subject: Re: Bj=F6rk (was: Re: new to the list)
>=20
> All this and Zeena, too.

As the Parkins girls go, I'm more an Andrea fan.  I love accordions played
mean.  She's like the Steve Jordan of splatter music.

skip h


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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 01:27:00 EST
From: UFOrbK8@aol.com
Subject: mean accordions?

In a message dated 2/4/02 1:24:39 AM, velaires@earthlink.net writes:

>As the Parkins girls go, I'm more an Andrea fan.  I love accordions played
>mean.  She's like the Steve Jordan of splatter music.


i love accordion, and i play.  tell me more!

also, has anyone else out there heard that song, i don't know what it is 
called or who does it...

"i love her more than wicker and cork, bjork, bjork, bjork...  i love her so 
much i feel like a dork, bjork, bjork, bjork..."

;)

love,
  k8.



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.c o m p o s e r / p e r f o r m e r.
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Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 22:32:21 -0800
From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: mean accordions?

> From: UFOrbK8@aol.com
> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 01:27:00 EST
> To: velaires@earthlink.net, keithmar@msn.com, zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: mean accordions?
> 
> 
> In a message dated 2/4/02 1:24:39 AM, velaires@earthlink.net writes:
> 
>> As the Parkins girls go, I'm more an Andrea fan.  I love accordions played
>> mean.  She's like the Steve Jordan of splatter music.
> 
> 
> i love accordion, and i play.  tell me more!

She's  a Cecil Taylor kind of accordionist.  Very intense, rhythmic,
clustery, complete with a fuzz box -- but always musical.  Her playing on
Ellery Eskelin's records is fantastic.  Lotsa attitude, and her chops are
pretty formidable.

skip h


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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 01:32:42 EST
From: UFOrbK8@aol.com
Subject: Re: mean accordions?

In a message dated 2/4/02 1:30:01 AM, velaires@earthlink.net writes:

>>> As the Parkins girls go, I'm more an Andrea fan.  I love accordions
>played
>>> mean.  She's like the Steve Jordan of splatter music.
>> 
>> 
>> i love accordion, and i play.  tell me more!
>
>She's  a Cecil Taylor kind of accordionist.  Very intense, rhythmic,
>clustery, complete with a fuzz box -- but always musical.  Her playing
>on
>Ellery Eskelin's records is fantastic.  Lotsa attitude, and her chops are
>pretty formidable.

can you reccomend something specific for me to check out?

k8.



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[ .n o t h i n g  i s  w h a t  i s  s a i d. ]

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.c o m p o s e r / p e r f o r m e r.
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/uforbk8/kate.html">
http://www.geocities.com/uforbk8/kate.html</A>
<A HREF="http://www.icefoundation.org">http://www.icefoundation.org</A>  
(roundtable)

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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 07:50:53 +0100
From: "Remco Takken" <r.takken@planet.nl>
Subject: Re: new O'Rourke

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Hi, to add something to the O'Rourke thoughts, here's my short review as =
published in dutch Fake Magazine. Try to read through the translational =
illogics, please.

Regards, Remco

Jim O'Rourke: I'm happy, and I'm singing, and a 1,2,3,4 (Mego/ =
Staalplaat)

This is no light pop album, although the title suspects otherwise. It's =
a live recorded electronics album. O'Rourke followers drifted away from =
the unbearable lightness of the songs on Halfway To A Threeway, might =
want to come back and try again. But they will find out they have to =
encounter some more of those sugary triads.=20

Recorded between 1997 and 1999, O'Rourke's latest seems to be a =
minimalistic intermediate station, just before his stylistic change to =
pop. After the fact, this would only take the younger fans fully by =
surprise.

(Rem)


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Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 23:06:43 -0800
From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: mean accordions?

> From: UFOrbK8@aol.com
> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 01:32:42 EST
> To: velaires@earthlink.net, UFOrbK8@aol.com, keithmar@msn.com,
> zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: mean accordions?
> 
>> Ellery Eskelin's records is fantastic.  Lotsa attitude, and her chops are
>> pretty formidable.
> 
> can you reccomend something specific for me to check out?
> 
> k8.
Ellery's ONE GREAT DAY.

sh


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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 02:26:34 -0500
From: "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_Bj=F6rk_=28was:_Re:_new_to_the_list=29?=

Apparently she puts her money where her mouth is, as it were. I hear she
regularly shows up at Zeena's local gigs now. And damn, touring with Matmos
to boot...

Me, I've loved her since "Birthday" and "Motorcrash."

Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Rev. Freud Hairs
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 11:23 PM
To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: Björk (was: Re: new to the list)


>>>Dancer in the Dark?<<<

I really paid little attention to her music until I saw her
performance in that movie. After seeing the movie I vowed to see
her next LA show. I have no problem understanding why she grates
on some sensibilities. But, for me, she is numinous and sublime.
All this and Zeena, too.


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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 01:27:13 -0500
From: "Andrew" <ahorton@vt.edu>
Subject: Bjork

I think that Bjork is vastly overrated for "herself"- she's more like
musical tofu. Whatever else is in there with her really determines whether
or not her music is good. In other words...like Madonna and PJ Harvey, she's
only as good as the production team that's actually making the songs that
she ends up singing over.

an


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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 04:01:34 EST
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: French punk jazz

In a message dated 2/3/02 9:26:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, davidlec@home.com 
writes:

Me sayeth-

<< > And one French outfit that I can't quite squeeze out...
 > 
 
 Ok, I'll wager a guess:
 
 Is it Larsen Rupin?  >>

Nope- I want to say it's "(blank) the (blank)" ...or something like that.  It 
just isn't coming through...

- -- 
np: Golden Years of the Soviet New Jazz Vol. 2, Disk 2- Orkestrion

=dg=

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Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 01:07:26 -0800
From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Bjork

> From: "Andrew" <ahorton@vt.edu>
> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 01:27:13 -0500
> To: <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
> Subject: Bjork
> 
> I think that Bjork is vastly overrated for "herself"- she's more like
> musical tofu. Whatever else is in there with her really determines whether
> or not her music is good. In other words...like Madonna and PJ Harvey, she's
> only as good as the production team that's actually making the songs that
> she ends up singing over.
> 
> an
> 
Note to list: IT'S NOT JUST ME!!


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Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 12:46:03 +0000
From: Richard Gardner <richard.gardner@colourtone.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Weather Report

on 2/2/02 11:53 PM, Zorn List Digest at
owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com wrote:

> From: Eriedell@aol.com
> Subject: Fwd: Weather Report
> 
> The second half of columbia's re-release on cd of "I Sing the Body Electric"
> has three tracks from a live concert in tokyo in 1972.  What's on Live in
> Tokyo that isn't on the columbia release?  (consequently, it was the live
> material from "I Sing" that I dug the most when first listening to the album).
> eriedell

This will give you a better picture than I will.

www.binkie.net/wrdisc/Live%20in%20Tokyo.html

Not a bad site with some snippets on Weather Report worth checking.

Richard


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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:35:10 -0500
From: "David Beardsley" <db@biink.com>
Subject: Re: Bjork

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew" <ahorton@vt.edu>

> I think that Bjork is vastly overrated for "herself"- she's more like
> musical tofu. Whatever else is in there with her really determines whether
> or not her music is good. In other words...like Madonna and PJ Harvey,
she's
> only as good as the production team that's actually making the songs that
> she ends up singing over.

But unlike your examples, she's an interesting singer. Very unique,
I like the way rolls vowels around in her mouth and
mangles the English language.

* David Beardsley
* http://biink.com
* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley


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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:28:23 -0500
From: "Sean Westergaard" <seawes@allmusic.com>
Subject: RE: david bowie (slight return)

>4. I notice Roxy Music's FOR YOUR PLEASURE has been
>reissued rather recently, with a sticker saying
>something like "Remixed. Remastered.  Remade." or some
>such thing, on the cover, and the words "Words and
>Music by Bryan Ferry" (sic) on the back cover.  This
>made me wonder if Ferry had somehow gained access to
>the tapes and fiddled out some of the stranger Eno (?)
>contributions to the record.  I haven't heard it, but
>thought I'd ask.

the Roxy remasters sound amazing.  Eno is still right there.  the
remastering reveals levels of detail and tones that are like hearing these
albums for the first time again.  I've only got the first 5 albums (their
later stuff kind of bores me), but i'm sure they all sound amazing.

sean


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Date: 
From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey)
Subject: Non-JZ Sale (lowered): NEW AUTO'd Jap Tortoise CD + 7" vinyl

Any Tortoise fans/collectors o'er here in Zorn-land?

** PRICES ARE US$ POSTAGE PAID ** in North America (more for overseas)
If you don't like a price, make me an OFFER.

All three items are BRAND NEW:

$12 -- Tortoise - "Mosquito/Onions Wrapped In Rubber/Gooseneck" US 7"
       (Torsion: b17-003-7) 1993  [2nd pressing on clear vinyl of this
       early single.  In poster sleeve.  mint/mint.  Deleted.]

$30 -- Tortoise - "Millions Now Living Will Never Die" JAP CD
       (Tokuma: tkcb-70931) 1996  [Inside sleeve AUTOGRAPHED in silver
       by Bitney, McEntire, Herndon, McCombs & Pajo (not personalized).
       9 tracks; 3 bonus cuts: "Gamera", "Goriri" & "Restless Waters".
       Mint/new with papers & obi.]

$20 -- K.K. Null - "Invisible Fire/Mad Water" AUS 7" (Syntactic:
       zero41) 2000  [Blue vinyl.  Ltd. & numbered (#91/100).  Deleted.]

- -Patrick
pm.carey@utoronto.ca









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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 07:39:37 -0800 (PST)
From: "M.B." <hirakemike@yahoo.com>
Subject: Cartoon Music

Hello-

Could anyone make any good cartoon music
recommendations outside of the realms of Raymond Scott
and Carl Stalling? I am particularly interested in
cartoon music possibly mixed with a lil' exotica.  Im
already familiar with Zorns cartoon music (Classic
Guide to Strategy, CynicalHysterieHour, maybe there is
more that I am missing?) Anything mentioned would be
much appreciated.

PS Were Zorns Game Pieces a direct influence from
cartoon music or was it a combination of many
different mediums? (Im only familiar with Pool at this
point)

Mike

=====
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Talk about the death of an imaginary 
person.  If somebody is interested, bring out 
a black framed photograph of the deceased and show. If friends invite you, excuse yourself by explaining about the death of the person.

1963 Summer--Yoko Ono

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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 10:46:59 EST
From: TagYrIt@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cartoon Music

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In a message dated 2/4/02 10:41:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
hirakemike@yahoo.com writes:


> PS Were Zorns Game Pieces a direct influence from
> cartoon music or was it a combination of many
> different mediums? (Im only familiar with Pool at this
> point)
> 
> Mike
> 
Cartoon music was one part of the influence. There's some more detailed info 
about this in the liner notes to one of the Elektra albums - either Spillane 
or The Big Gundown.

Dale.

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  COLOR="#0000a0" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c0c0c0" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0">In a message dated 2/4/02 10:41:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, hirakemike@yahoo.com writes:<BR>
<BR>
</FONT></FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">PS Were Zorns Game Pieces a direct influence from<BR>
cartoon music or was it a combination of many<BR>
different mediums? (Im only familiar with Pool at this<BR>
point)<BR>
<BR>
Mike<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#0000a0" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c0c0c0" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0">Cartoon music was one part of the influence. There's some more detailed info about this in the liner notes to one of the Elektra albums - either Spillane or The Big Gundown.<BR>
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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 10:56:58 EST
From: Samerivertwice@aol.com
Subject: Zorn Does Zappa: Tzadik's reply

This just in from Tzadik in response to my inquiry:

Hi,

I am sure it is a fake.  Or, somebody's wish list, more likely.

Kind of fun to see this.

Thanks.



______________________________________________________________________
Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately, 
and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music."

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Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 08:18:21 -0800
From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Cartoon Music

> From: "M.B." <hirakemike@yahoo.com>
> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 07:39:37 -0800 (PST)
> To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: Cartoon Music
> 
> Could anyone make any good cartoon music
> recommendations outside of the realms of Raymond Scott
> and Carl Stalling? I am particularly interested in
> cartoon music possibly mixed with a lil' exotica.

When I was working on THE FLINTSTONES last yr, I was given a heavy Hoyt
Curtin indoctrination.  He's got a lot of different styles in his scores,
and there are various Hanna-Barbera comps out there.  He's got his exotic
moments, his outer space moments etc.

skip h


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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 08:19:37 -0800
From: "Rev. Freud Hairs" <keithmar@msn.com>
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Bj=F6rk_=28was:_Re:_new_to_the_list=29?=

>>>As the Parkins girls go, I'm more an Andrea fan.<<<

I was very disappointed with Andrea's performance in LA. She was
surprisingly bland. Not at all what I was expecting. But, Bjork.
Man that lady can sing. Putting her in the same category as
Madonna and others of that ilk means someone is not really
listening. Take the microphone away from Madonna and its thin
soup. Listen to Bjork a capella, and its bliss.


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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 08:22:20 -0800
From: Tosh <tosh@loop.com>
Subject: Re: Cartoon Music

Hi,

This maybe too obivious, but how about 'Fantasia?'  As far as I know 
Raymond Scott and Stallings were the main cartoon composers - but 
'Fantasia,' I imagine was an introduction to classical music for a 
lot of American kids.  As a child I had classical recordings in our 
house - but I imagine that there were many households that didn't 
have recordings (during the 50's) so, seeing this cartoon was 
probably an introduction to the 'classics.'  And of course Stallings 
taking or borrowing music from the classical world, etc.
- -- 
Tosh Berman
TamTam Books
http://www.tamtambooks.com

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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 08:27:57 -0800
From: Tosh <tosh@loop.com>
Subject: Bjork

I don't have strong feelings about her music either way, but I must 
say I have seen her in bookshops, and she has to be one of the most 
beautiful humans on this planet.  She has that 'it' quality - a 
natural born star.
- -- 
Tosh Berman
TamTam Books
http://www.tamtambooks.com

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Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 11:29:16 -0500
From: "Ajda the Turkish Queen" <freequeen@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Bjork ranting+raving (No Zorn Content)

Personally, I do like some of Bjork's stuff.  And to the non-believers out 
there, I ask whether you've heard her album "Telegram"???  The string 
arrangements are glorious, and I might point out she did them herself.  So 
in her case, it's not necessary the 'production team' that deserves the 
credit.

Frankly, I'm surprised to hear so many people on this list express dislike 
for her.  She has more of an obvious jazz influence in her sound than most 
pop stars...

Don't get me wrong; I'm certainly not her #1 fan.  I only have "Telegram" 
and the "Joga" remix single, but I've heard much of the other releases.  
She's a playful musician.  That's all.  It's not a crime.  Does she get less 
respect 'cause she's rolling in $$$?  Why do I get the feeling someone like 
Iva Bittova, who has a similar spirit but not as much notoriety, would get 
more credit?

Regarding the lumping together of Madonna, PJ Harvey, and Bjork - sounds 
like someone forgot they these women don't just sing {lalala} over songs 
their "teams" create.  They write, and play instruments, too.  Perhaps you 
feel singers are lesser???

For the record, I will say I'm a HUGE fan of Rob Ellis, who worked on 
PJ'smost recent album , and others I think:)  He is versatile on high.

And Nellee Hooper mixed with just about anyone will likely turn out a great 
song.

Ciaou,
Ajda the Turkish Queen
http://mp3.com/turkishqueen
http://wmbr.mit.edu/schedesc.html#binge
Remix http://drawbridge.com/countess/music.html


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