From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #749 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Tuesday, February 5 2002 Volume 03 : Number 749 In this issue: - classic C&W sales DD Jackson (was: tzadik sales) Re: stereolab Fwd: Re: music & cooking Re: stereolab Re: Weather Report "Live in Japan" Ventura City Hall: Eugene Chadbourne this Saturday! Fwd: Re: French pop/crock Re: Britney Re: alasnoaxis hey nirav, drop me a line Independent Groups Re: Bjorkasaurus Re: Odp: Bjork ranting+raving, Plus: Peabody degree losers Re: Fwd: Re: French pop/crock the business end Re: New Otomo Yoshihide? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 10:01:23 -0600 From: "Brummer, Charlie" Subject: classic C&W Skip's list of classic C&W is a good starting point. Here are some others. I'd amplify the George Jones--I've had the Essential GJ on Epic (2 discs) on heavy rotation lately. The latest two Merle Haggard discs--If I Could Only Fly and Roots--are excellent. I'd recommend just about anything by Hag, although there are a few stinkers in his output. (About 10 years ago, the New Yorker devoted nearly an entire issue to an article on Hag--it was a fabulous chronicle of one of America's foremost musicians.) Johnny Cash can do (almost) no wrong. I have a couple of the Bear Family collections (wish I had 'em all) as well as his recent American recordings.....all well worth having. The live Folsom Prison/San Quentin twofer is essential. The Carter Family complete recordings on Rounder are excellent early country. Bill Monroe for excellent bluegrass, in addition to Skip's suggestions--the Bear Family discs may be too much right off, but all have some hot picking. For a while back in college, I was into the outlaws--Waylon Jennings, David Allen Coe, etc....They have some good stuff mixed with a bunch that isn't very good at all. Try DAC's greatest hits if you want a sampler of this subgenre. And there's always Conway Twitty--scattered stuff of his is great, but most isn't..... A couple more recent country artists: Emmylou Harris has many excellent albums, my favorite may be "Roses in the Snow." Dwight Yoakam, particularly his first few discs, plays some fantastic country, but I've been less impressed with his last few. A bit off the pure country path, but that find their way on to my CD player with regularity: Jerry Jeff Walker, especially his live "A Man Must Carry On" 2 vol set Guy Clark--his early stuff (The Essential... I think is the name of the best set) Butch Hancock--Eats Away the Night Joe Ely--Early stuff Charlie np: Dave Douglas--Charms of the Night Sky - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 11:06:02 EST From: CuneiWay@aol.com Subject: sales >>Tim Berne recently told me that Screwgun sales average about 1,500-2,000.<< If that's sold & paid for, then that is pretty fantastic for average. Certainly better than ours. Steve Cuneiform Records - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 17:06:48 +0100 From: Ari Subject: DD Jackson (was: tzadik sales) > The only reason I bring this up is because of the two D.D. Jackson discs = we > released during my RCA stint. Both were terrific records; we laid out > something like 5-10K copies of each in the U.S. alone. The actual sales > figures, according to Soundscan, did not break a thousand while I was > there - and that's with more positive press than we ever could have dared= to > hope for. Worldwide the figures may be somewhat better, but still, we wer= e > all completely appalled, and naturally D.D. was out pretty soon after we > (the marketing, PR and A&R staff) were all sacked. The new guys wanted hi= m > to make a "Brad Mehldau record." Hi Steve, can you tell something more about these two discs? The virtuosity and swing in DD's music is amazing. The independent playing of his left and right hand is just incredible! I own a few of his collaborations with David Murray and two of his albums o= n Justin Time, "Rythm Dance" being my favourite. Are the two on RCA comparabl= e or even better? Thanks for any comments, Ari np: laswell & br=F6tzmann - low life - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 17:05:48 +0100 From: francko.lamerikx@philips.com Subject: Re: stereolab Efren wrote: > As opposed to your satisfactory Stereolab-experience, > I saw them live in Barcelona last September and it was > probably the worst concert I've ever seen. > However, I do enjoy their records, specially their > latest release "Sound-Dust". As far as being as they > want us to believe, I don't agree. There are two strange things about Stereolab, in my opinion. First of all, I've seen them live a couple of times (ever since the release of "Dots & Loops"), and I don't think they were ever really brilliant (even though they were always at least good). It is always as if their songs rely too much on the lush production and arranging details to really work in a live context. Notable exceptions are always the older songs, like "Metronomic Underground", which were probably more developed with a live situation in mind in the first place. But then again, I've become a bit bored by how they turned "Metronomic Underground" into the set-closing staple piece. Which brings me to the second remark. At least since "Emperor Tomato Ketchup", every Stereolab album has been more sophisticated, more intricately detailed, and more lushly produced than the previous one. However, this does not necessarily mean that each album is better than the one before. Having preferred "Dots & Loops" over "Emperor Tomato Ketchup" for quite some time, I have now arrived at the conclusion that the latter is actually the better album, simply because it contains better songs (on the whole). It was the release of "Sound-Dust" which triggered this nutshell analysis, by the way; it is the first Stereolab albums in many years that didn't catch my attention enough to even buy it... Frankco - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 17:47:41 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= Subject: Fwd: Re: music & cooking HI, > > > Like the really good restaurants, they are harder to > find though. And > believe me, the ten or so Avant releases I own, ARE > expensive imports, not > to mention Zorn's Parachute Box. Exploring weird > music, and trying new > stuff, is definitely more expensive than listening > to the radio all day. Well, most of all the commercial garbage that they put on the radio is really expensive: you spend 15$ in a Cd of which probably just two songs are worth the money (basically the singles). > That's true, but I still can't understand why a guy > like Steven Bernstein > isn't world famous. He is loveable. Even my > neighbours would like Sex Mob, > if they only knew. Same with Bar Khokba. Good for > Zorn that it sells good, > but I can't believe why this cd didn't sell 350,000 > copies. Yes, I believe > my neighbours would like it, even though they might > hate Xenakis... > Regards, Remco It's easily understandable. My mother loves Masada, Pachora, David Krakauer,... but she's been exposed to that music only through me. She had just listened to Julio Iglesias before! Maybe if more people could have access to this kind of product they'd be immediately hooked up- but radio stations won't just play that stuff. A pity. Greetings, Efrén del VAlle _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 11:47:35 EST From: UFOrbK8@aol.com Subject: Re: stereolab In a message dated 2/5/02 11:15:04 AM, francko.lamerikx@philips.com writes: >Notable exceptions are always the older songs, like "Metronomic >Underground", which were probably more developed with a live situation >in mind in the first place. this is a good point. i saw stereolab about a month after emperor tomato ketchup was released in the states, and that album (and prior efforts, imo) was much more geared towards live-what-amounts-to-jam-sessions. in a lot of ways, i kind of see them as the grateful dead or phish of electronica. they played finney chapel, which is a chapel that seats about 200 or maybe a few more and a balcony that goes around from the sides of the stage to the front of the top tier of the chapel, in oberlin, with probably the best sound reinforcement they'd ever played with before or since. i think that intimate atmosphere, plus the material they played (almost all stuff off of ETK), just made the whole thing almost *too* good. they encored with metronomic underground (one of the few things i specifically remember about the show) and played it for a good 20-30 minutes. it was sick. so... i don't know. i'd be interested to see them in a club where everyone around me i didn't know, the kid running sound i didn't know, and i hadn't eaten such deadly mushrooms... i'm sure it wouldn't be the same but i know i would shake my ass and enjoy it all the same... love, k8. n.p. - ween, 'the mollusk' - ----- [ .n o t h i n g i s w h a t i s s a i d. ] .k a t e p e t e r s o n. .c o m p o s e r / p e r f o r m e r. http://www.geocities.com/uforbk8/kate.html http://www.icefoundation.org (roundtable) - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 17:11:53 +0000 From: Richard Gardner Subject: Re: Weather Report "Live in Japan" on 5/2/02 12:57 PM, Zorn List Digest at owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com wrote: > Weather Report "Live In Japan" CD (Sony Japan: SRCS-9139) > 3/31/97 Y2913 In the UK this album has been a normal release for some years (As you can see its 2 CDs for the price of one): Live in Tokyo=A0=A0 Weather Report Amazon Price: =A312.99 (26 January, 1998) Number of Discs: 2 Label: Sony Jazz Catalogue Number: 4892082 Track Listings=20 1. Medley 2. Vertical invader 3. Seventh arrow 4. TH 5. Doctor Honoris Causa 6. Surucucu 7. Lost 8. Early minor 9. Directions 10. Orange lady 11. Eurydice 12. Moors 13. Tears 14. Umbrellas - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 09:15:56 -0800 From: "Rev. Freud Hairs" Subject: Ventura City Hall: Eugene Chadbourne this Saturday! THIS Saturday February 9, 8 p.m. Ventura City Hall Atrium, 501 Poli St, Ventura, CA $10 Admission Dr. Eugene Chadbourne! Avant-Militant Banjoist and guitarist Opening: Jeff Kaiser and Brad Dutz (Trumpet and Percussion) Tickets at the door only! No advance sales. For Directions: http://www.mapblast.com/ ************************** http://www.pfmentum.com http://www.newcreativemusic.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 12:19:47 -0500 From: pequet@altern.org (Benjamin Pequet) Subject: Fwd: Re: French pop/crock At 10:58 AM 2/5/2002, Tosh wrote: >>I am a huge Godard fan, so I am dying to hear Chantal Goya. Sadly I saw= =20 >>one of her albums (an early hits collection) on my travels, but foolishly= =20 >>I didn't purchase it. > >France Gall is pure great pop trash! I don't know her recent work, but I= =20 >do have a best of France Gall album and it's great. Also thanks for=20 >everyone who recommended Henri Salvador - I'll check him out for sure. Ok, I admit I haven't read this thread or any other from very close on this= =20 mailing-list recently, and / thus may fail to see the irony (would be much= =20 needed, imo) in these recent posts... Can someone please seriously explain to me what (bj=F6rk,) chantal goya,=20 france gall, henri salvador, ... and the names dropping of two dozen=20 middle- to sub-par french speaking bands / singers, have to do with= anything? - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 09:25:00 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Britney On Mon, 04 Feb 2002 19:47:14 -0800 Chris Selvig wrote: > > You have made numerous jabs at the sorts of musicians who perform in > coffee shops, release records in editions of less than 1000, etc - are you > suggesting that nothing of worth is created at this level? I don't think > obscurity validates art, and a lot of half-assed doodling masquerades as > "avant-garde," but there are a lot of excellent records made in small editions. I never suggested that, I was simply trying to say that small does not automatically means beautiful and big means evil. Bottom line what matters, for me as least, is talent, and we can find it with both majors and obscure labels. > And judging from the recent whining about falling record sales, I'm not > the exalted big entertainment money is being managed so well, after all. And this is the only business going down these days? Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 12:48:16 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: alasnoaxis Yup: And Flip Phillips liked and Oscar Peterson liked playing with Fred Astaire and Johnny Hodges played with Lawrence Welk. Just because one musician wants to play with another doesn't make the second any better. Ken Waxman - --- Tom Benton wrote: > Isn't the second W&W disc from Jim Black's > Alasnoaxis band due out this month? At least that was the word months and months ago - does anyone > know about this? And to link this, in a roundabout way, to the list discussion at hand, when both Black and Chris Speed were asked "Who is one person you are > still looking forward to playing with and why they both answered to the effect of: "Bjork. Do I need > a reason?" ===== Ken Waxman mingusaum@yahoo.ca www.jazzword.com - Jazz/improv news, CD reviews and photos ______________________________________________________________________ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 18:06:30 +0000 From: "Kurt Gottschalk" Subject: hey nirav, drop me a line everyone else, my apologies. but you can drop me a line too, if you want... _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 13:32:15 -0500 From: "Zachary Steiner" Subject: Independent Groups A week or two ago I had asked the list about an idea I had to bring groups to my campus. I got into contact with a professor that wants to sit down with me and discuss specifics. He has long been in charge of bringing writers to speak, so he was experience in booking people and finding money to do so. He told me that he wants names when we meet. I realized that I really only know the heavy weights in the genre -- the Zorns, the Vandermarks -- or dead guys. Can any one give me some names or places to contact to find lesser known artists (preferably in the Midwest) that would be willing to come to a small college and do their thing for a relatively modest amount? Accessibility (musically speaking) is also a key. Zach - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 18:33:22 +0000 From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Re: Bjorkasaurus >From: Jim Flannery > >And for some reason I feel an urge to remind y'all that the Sugarcubes were >not >her first band, that she'd been at it for 4 or 5 years by *that* time Bjork made her first LP at the age of 12, singing 'hippie folk' music. For me, she's one of the great underachievers in music, I like what she's done (good contemporary pop, but ultimately disposible), I feel like she's capable of doing a lot more, breaking out of the electronica mode into something with a lot more depth. Her Unplugged show really hinted at that, with the unusual instruments and players like Oliver Lake. There was a recent documentary that showed sessions for Vespertine, and she was talking about that album being a balance of purely electronic sounds with acoustic orchestral (strings) playing, but it didn't quite turn out that way. She would do well with something more in the vein of the INA-GRM music, but unfortunately she's still on a major label... _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 10:34:33 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Odp: Bjork ranting+raving, Plus: Peabody degree losers On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 09:15:17 +0100 "Marcin Gokieli" wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patrice L. Roussel > > > Are you not tired of the same patronizing and condescending attitude? > After > > having followed non-mainstream music for almost thirty years, I just don't > buy > > it anymore. > > What do you buy, then? Reading my statement above I realize that it could be misunderstood. By "not buying it anymore", I meant the argument that Skip was pushing (people being clueless, illustrated by the Mark Twain quote). Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 10:11:51 -0800 From: Tosh Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: French pop/crock >Nothing that serious! Just talking about music. > >Can someone please seriously explain to me what (bj=F6rk,) chantal >goya, france gall, henri salvador, ... and the names dropping of two >dozen middle- to sub-par french speaking bands / singers, have to do >with anything? > > > >- - -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 10:11:31 -0800 From: mwisckol@ocregister.com Subject: the business end while we're on the subject of the business end, can somebody answer me this: guys like braxton and lacy especially, but anybody who records for small labels -- are they making any money off those records? did lacy or david murray make "much" money when they were recording four or six or 10 CDs a year? or is it purely an artistic endeavor to record a Cd that sells, presumably, a few thousand? - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 10:46:49 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: New Otomo Yoshihide? On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 13:21:16 -0000 "Witkowski, Marcin" wrote: > > Dear all > > Anybody got the idea what is it? > > YOSHIHIDE, OTOMO (FEAT. SHIMADA MASAHIKO): MIRA NI NARUMAD > Label: CHARIZMA Could it be a European pressing of: - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** - MIIRA NI NARUMADE (MY DEAR MUMMY): Shimada Masahiko, Otomo Yoshihide Recorded at GOK Sound, Tokyo on June 23, 1996 Produced by Noda Shigenori Otomo Yoshihide: conductor; Harada Takashi: ondes Martenot; Ishikawa Ko: sho; Nakamura Hitomi: hichiriki; Hirai Yuko: ryuteki, Koma-fue; Uchihashi Kazuhisa: electric guitar, effects; Kikuchi Masaaki: doublebass, electro- nics; Takara Kumiko: percussion; Era Mari: percussion; Sano Shiro: reading; Shimada Masahiko: reading; sampled guest: Derek Bailey (guitars). 1997 - Sank-Ohso Discs/Creativeman Disc/Uplink (Japan), CMDD-00034 (CD-Book) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrice. - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #749 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. 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