From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #767 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Saturday, February 9 2002 Volume 03 : Number 767 In this issue: - My latest discovery: Ethiopiques Re: My latest discovery: Ethiopiques take the coltrane Re: take the coltrane Re: Blues and the Abstract Truth [was RE: Zorn as Miles????????] Re: Coltrane/Dolphy Re: Coltrane/Dolphy Re: Coltrane/Dolphy Re: Bjork ranting+raving, Plus: Peabody degree losers/ BRITNEY Re: Bjork ranting+raving, Plus: Peabody degree losers/ BRITNEY Re: Miles ("On the corner") Zorn DVD, Buckethead, Bjork Re: Zorn as Miles???????? Re: Previte Re: What instrumentalists use words the best? Re: Zorn as Miles??????? Re: My latest discovery: Ethiopiques ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 16:51:46 +0000 From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: My latest discovery: Ethiopiques Anyvbody else been into the "Ethiopiques" serious which is released by www.budamuique.com?? I only have volume four, which is intrumentals but it's awesome! SOme of it is extremely funky, some of it is rather Masada-ish, and one piece pretty much predates Portishead by 25 years!! (That might not sound like a good thing, but it is) Also a bit of avantgaridh shrieking on the finale track. Highly recommended!!!!!!!!! But did anybody have a chance to check out some of the other volumes??? I'm wondering which one to pick up next..... _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 12:36:39 -0500 From: Subject: Re: My latest discovery: Ethiopiques >But did anybody have a chance to check out some of the other >volumes??? Vol 3 is usually the one singled out as best from the first batch of five. I've heard all these but not enough to make real distinctions yet. However I loved Mahmoud Ahmed's Ere Mela Mela when I heard it in the mid-80s; that's now Vol 7 but I haven't heard this new CD edition. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 18:23:51 +0000 From: "Kurt Gottschalk" Subject: take the coltrane while everyone certainly does have a right to their opinions, not getting coltrane? i don't get it. COLtrane? what are guys talking about? JOHN colTRANE! criminey. it's like not getting bach. or led zeppelin. or, or alfred hitchcock or something. seriously, reevalute. fuh... BALLADS/JOHNNY HARTMAN/A LOVE SUPREME/LIVE IN JAPAN (esp "Crescent")/all of the VILLAGE VANGUARD stuff (but especially LIVE AT THE VILLAGE VANGUARD AGAIN)/KULU SE MAMA/EXPRESSION/INTERSTELLAR SPACE/DUKE ELLINGTON? it's, it's like i don't even know you anymore (*sniff*) kurt _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 13:42:22 -0500 From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: take the coltrane on 02.02.09 1:23 PM, Kurt Gottschalk at ecstasymule@hotmail.com wrote: > > > while everyone certainly does have a right to their opinions, not getting > coltrane? i don't get it. COLtrane? what are guys talking about? JOHN > colTRANE! criminey. it's like not getting bach. or led zeppelin. or, or > alfred hitchcock or something. > > seriously, reevalute. fuh... > > BALLADS/JOHNNY HARTMAN/A LOVE SUPREME/LIVE IN JAPAN (esp "Crescent")/all of > the VILLAGE VANGUARD stuff (but especially LIVE AT THE VILLAGE VANGUARD > AGAIN)/KULU SE MAMA/EXPRESSION/INTERSTELLAR SPACE/DUKE ELLINGTON? > > it's, it's like i don't even know you anymore (*sniff*) aawwww, now Kurty... easy kiddo. It's not that I don't "get" it, it's just that he has yet to light the proverbial fire under my ass. I don't know why... I don't know when... Idunno. I *am* perhaps too focussed down any more. I just don't know, RL - ---------- [ All of the below and much more at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k ] Sessionographies : CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies : COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; THREADGILL; WORKMAN. Samuel Beckett Eulogy; Baseball & the 10,000 Things; Time Stops; LOVETORN; HARD BOIL; LUCILLE, a Reverential Journal of the Care of the Beloved Hag; ETC., - ---------- *** THINGS 4 SALE *** [Updated: 01.12.01] http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/ChipsInCashing.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 18:44:52 +0000 From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Re: Blues and the Abstract Truth [was RE: Zorn as Miles????????] >From: "Steve Smith" It >belongs in the pantheon of truly great jazz LPs, but I think it gets >overlooked by many because Nelson -- though fairly consistently fine -- >never hit the same exalted level again. Though he did hit that same exalted level previously, with 'Screamin' The Blues'... _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 18:51:39 +0000 From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Re: Coltrane/Dolphy >From: "Alan Kayser" > I suppose that's why I now consider the Village >Vanguard box >set to be the Coltrane I reach for. The level of excitement and variety is >much higher on these live shows... Interesting comments coming through on the so-called 'jazz icons'. However, for me, Trane took the music to an edge (and perhaps even over a precipice) that's never been equalled with his playing on 'Live In Japan'... _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 13:04:43 -0600 From: "Samuel Quentin" Subject: Re: Coltrane/Dolphy hm. it's interesting to find out that coltrane hadn't lit the fires under the asses of nearly as many as i had thought. nice to know that ears can be so different. i "got" coltrane the first time i heard it. coltrane is the reason i am a musician today. and like so many others, "A Love Supreme" changed my life. -Samuel np The Canadian Brass playing Bach's Goldberg Variations _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 14:27:09 -0500 From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: Coltrane/Dolphy on 02.02.09 1:51 PM, thomas chatterton at chatterton23@hotmail.com wrote: >> From: "Alan Kayser" >> > I suppose that's why I now consider the Village >> Vanguard box >> set to be the Coltrane I reach for. The level of excitement and variety is >> much higher on these live shows... > > Interesting comments coming through on the so-called 'jazz icons'. However, > for me, Trane took the music to an edge (and perhaps even over a precipice) > that's never been equalled with his playing on 'Live In Japan'... This is why I often feel confused considering it-- I'm gone on the free-form, the creative-improvised, the mayhem of the world expressed, but the JC OUT period -- I think it may be the group sound I'm not enthralled by, and I'm a drummer, so why am I not slain by Elvin, but I am most definitely not slain by Elvin, and so, there I am. Nowhere. I may get over it someday! This is my hope. RL - ---------- [ All of the below and much more at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k ] Sessionographies : CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies : COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; THREADGILL; WORKMAN. Samuel Beckett Eulogy; Baseball & the 10,000 Things; Time Stops; LOVETORN; HARD BOIL; LUCILLE, a Reverential Journal of the Care of the Beloved Hag; ETC., - ---------- *** THINGS 4 SALE *** [Updated: 01.12.01] http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/ChipsInCashing.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 14:33:04 EST From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Re: Bjork ranting+raving, Plus: Peabody degree losers/ BRITNEY - --part1_12c.c332d4b.2996d370_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/4/2002 4:55:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, proussel@ichips.intel.com writes: > She is in a different league. You might not like what she > does, but to be where she is, she definitely have something. Yeah, good looks, and friends in the right places that have money. Jody - --part1_12c.c332d4b.2996d370_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/4/2002 4:55:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, proussel@ichips.intel.com writes:


She is in a different league. You might not like what she
does, but to be where she is, she definitely have something.


Yeah, good looks, and friends in the right places that have money.

Jody - --part1_12c.c332d4b.2996d370_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 14:36:59 -0500 From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: Bjork ranting+raving, Plus: Peabody degree losers/ BRITNEY on 02.02.09 2:33 PM, IOUaLive1@aol.com at IOUaLive1@aol.com wrote: >> She is in a different league. You might not like what she >> does, but to be where she is, she definitely have something. > > Yeah, good looks, and friends in the right places that have money. > > Jody Jody Jody Jody... - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 20:43:58 +0100 From: duncan youngerman Subject: Re: Miles ("On the corner") Remco Takken a =E9crit : > > May I suggest checking out a couple rarely mentioned albums? > > > -"On the Corner" (studio, 1972, with McLaughlin, Cobham, Corea, > > etc=2E=2E=2Ealso red hot and inspired, but while the first album is pure= jazz, > > this, y'all, is nasty, eclectic psycho-fonk)=2E > > > This seems to be the one that you either love or hate=2E It's groovy, sure= , > but IMHO nothing really happens there, even for 'psycho fonk'=2E If you wa= nt > to go psycho, it would be better to start with Miles at Fillmore=2E=2E=2E > > Regards, Remco Takken 2 non-musical reasons why many people, especially critics, were either pisse= d at this one or did'nt pay attention: - -The cover art, cheapo, unsophisticated, cartoony (opposite of "Bitches Brew= " or "In a Silent Way")=2E - -The absence of any credits, although the musicians were top-notch=2E Miles was doing his number, and thi= s time he did succeed =2E=2E=2E to go unnoticed=2E=2E=2Eby whites and blacks a= like=2E Too bad because the music is one of the electric Miles peaks, Imho (I know Elliott Sharp also digs this album a lot, which makes sense!) Best, DY=2E > > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 14:51:16 EST From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Zorn DVD, Buckethead, Bjork - --part1_139.926c78a.2996d7b4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/5/2002 4:19:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, SonataPathetique@aol.com writes: > > First of all, I was wondering if anyone knew where to get this live DVD or > any other live Naked City performances (DVD or VHS). I havent been keeping up with this list lately so forgive my ignorance.... is there actually a Naked City DVD coming out????? In a message dated 2/5/2002 5:22:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, proussel@ichips.intel.com writes: > Based on my experience of three shows with his projects five years ago, I > think it was the most self-indulgent crap I have ever seen in my whole > life. > I could not believe how bad it was and that's why I tried him again > (convinced > that it could only be the result of a bad night). Never the expression > "tech- > nical masturbation" had found such a perfect case to illustrate it. There > was > no music, no feeling, just a set of songs built the same (totally > uninspired), > with in the middle Buckethead throwing the most ackneyed cliches of speed > metal guitar playing. How can somebody with such technical skills can be so > empty might be an interesting topic for a PhD. Come on now, don't pretend like you never masturbated and enjoyed it... granted, you probably never did it in public (although some other great musicians have done just that). It intrigues me to think that this guy spent hours and hours in his bedroom practicing and listening to Malmsteen, Randy Rhoads, Shawn Lane, etc, honing his skills to form a uniquely defined sound. I can dig it once in a while. I certainly don't find it offensive to the point I need to speak out about it. Not that you arent entitled to do that!! somebody wrote: >>> when both Black and Chris Speed were asked "Who is one person you are >>> still looking forward to playing with and why?" (in interviews at >>> allaboutjazz.com), they both answered to the effect of: "Bjork. Do I need >>> a reason?" They might actually get to collaborate with her sometime. Skuli Sverrison, great bassist and friends with Chris and Jim, is also from Iceland and good friends with Bjork. I would love to hear those guys play with her. Her album "Homogenic" does it for me. - -Jody McAllister - --part1_139.926c78a.2996d7b4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/5/2002 4:19:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, SonataPathetique@aol.com writes:


First of all, I was wondering if anyone knew where to get this live DVD or
any other live Naked City performances (DVD or VHS). 


I havent been keeping up with this list lately so forgive my ignorance.... is there actually a Naked City DVD coming out?????


In a message dated 2/5/2002 5:22:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, proussel@ichips.intel.com writes:


Based on my experience of three shows with his projects five years ago, I
think it was the most self-indulgent crap I have ever seen in my whole life.
I could not believe how bad it was and that's why I tried him again (convinced
that it could only be the result of a bad night). Never the expression "tech-
nical masturbation" had found such a perfect case to illustrate it. There was
no music, no feeling, just a set of songs built the same (totally uninspired),
with in the middle Buckethead throwing the most ackneyed cliches of speed
metal guitar playing. How can somebody with such technical skills can be so
empty might be an interesting topic for a PhD.



Come on now, don't pretend like you never masturbated and enjoyed it... granted, you probably never did it in public (although some other great musicians have done just that).  It intrigues me to think that this guy spent hours and hours in his bedroom practicing and listening to Malmsteen, Randy Rhoads, Shawn Lane, etc, honing his skills to form a uniquely defined sound.  I can dig it once in a while.  I certainly don't find it offensive to the point I need to speak out about it.   Not that you arent entitled to do that!!

somebody wrote:

>>> when both Black and Chris Speed were asked "Who is one person you are
>>> still looking forward to playing with and why?" (in interviews at
>>> allaboutjazz.com), they both answered to the effect of: "Bjork.  Do I need
>>> a reason?"

They might actually get to collaborate with her sometime.  Skuli Sverrison, great bassist and friends with Chris and Jim, is also from Iceland and good friends with Bjork.  I would love to hear those guys play with her.  Her album "Homogenic" does it for me.

- -Jody McAllister - --part1_139.926c78a.2996d7b4_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 15:02:30 EST From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Zorn as Miles???????? In a message dated 2/8/02 9:31:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, zsteiner@butler.edu writes: << Kind of Blue was the second Miles album that I bought. Birth of the Cool was the first ( I liked it b/c I was into Gerry Mulligan at the time). I turned Kind of Blue and on expected to be blown away having heard the hype. What did I hear? Elevator music! I relegated it to the inoffensive list of CDs I listen to when I sleep. >> _KoB_ was also one of my early Miles albums too, but I got it *after* buying most of the 70's stuff. Got to admit that this is the first time I've seen the album under the "elevator music" moniker. Sex music maybe, but elevator music? Hmmm...explains that warm feeling riding up to the 39th floor... - -- np: Alamaailman Vasarat- Vasaraasia =dg= - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 15:02:30 EST From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Previte In a message dated 2/8/02 11:15:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, mwoodwor@is2.dal.ca writes: << Um - quite a few of you have been singing the praises of Bobby Previte lately (justifiably so) but no one responded to my enquiry about his new Bump the Renaisance release...has no one out there in Zorn land heard it yet? >> I missed it! I'd be interested in an opinion too...that one on Sound Aspects is right up there in the "classics" range. Wow...Sound Aspects...what a supurb label *that* one was. - -- np: Alamaailman Vasarat- Vasaraasia =dg= - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 15:02:32 EST From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: What instrumentalists use words the best? Fred Katz/Ken Nordine gets my nod. - -- np: Shrubbies- Memphis in Texis =dg= - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 15:02:31 EST From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Zorn as Miles??????? In a message dated 2/9/02 1:15:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, gabriel_drummer@yahoo.com writes: << I must confess too: I could never get into Sun Ra. And I'm not making any efforts to dig him because "I should". >> Wow. None? I must admit a preference to his "composed/big-band" stuff over the free-blowing albums. I'm not dissing you in the least, but I'd think that anyone into any kind jazz could find a few Ra albums to enjoy out of his vast oeuvre. Have you tried the early Delmark-label albums? Classics, those. - -- np: Shrubbies- Memphis in Texas =dg= - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 15:02:32 EST From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: My latest discovery: Ethiopiques In a message dated 2/9/02 11:52:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, a_gadney@hotmail.com writes: << Anyvbody else been into the "Ethiopiques" serious which is released by www.budamuique.com?? >> Steve F. at Wayside Music first pointed out this series to me...on this listserv, I think. I agree- it's a darned fine one too, and fairly easy to find, unlike many African music compilation series I've searched for. I'm a bit behind with them as I've only picked up through Vol. 5. Do wish that Dakar Sound-label stuff from the 80's had been a bit easier to find. It has/had similarities to the _Ethiopiques_ stuff to my ears, but with a great psychedelic edge. - -- np: Shrubbies- Memphis in Texas =dg= - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #767 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com