From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #806 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Monday, March 4 2002 Volume 03 : Number 806 In this issue: - Fwd: Break Up Music Re: breakin' up is hard to doo(wop). Re: breakin' up is hard to do (wop). Re: breakin' up is hard to do (wop). Re: Break Up Music and the opposite of not sex Re: breakin' up is hard to do (wop). Re: Break Up Music Re: and the opposite of not sex Los Angeles, march 3-9? Bye For Now... :-( music to fall in love to. Re: Blue Nile Re: Los Angeles, march 3-9? New Frisell project, NYC, June 7-8 Re: breakin' up is hard to do (wop). RE: breakin' up is hard to do (wop). Re: New Frisell project, NYC, June 7-8 Re: breakin' up is hard to do (wop). Re: Break Up Music ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:32:46 EST From: Eriedell@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Break Up Music - --part1_ea.2397d34b.29b509be_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When i'm down, i listen to Tom Waits because I just like to wallow in my own greif. In a message dated 3/3/02 7:06:36 PM, zsteiner@butler.edu writes: << What are some albums/songs that make people feel better when they break up or are just feeling down? Thanks Zach >> - --part1_ea.2397d34b.29b509be_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-xg05.mx.aol.com (rly-xg05.mail.aol.com [172.20.115.202]) by air-xg01.mail.aol.com (v83.45) with ESMTP id MAILINXG12-0303200636; Sun, 03 Mar 2002 20:06:36 -0500 Received: from lists.xmission.com (lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7]) by rly-xg05.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXG51-0303200612; Sun, 03 Mar 2002 20:06:12 -0500 Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16hgvX-00073p-00 for zorn-list-gooutt@lists.xmission.com; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:06:07 -0700 Received: from [159.242.130.2] (helo=thomas.butler.edu) by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16hgvI-00073b-00 for zorn-list@lists.xmission.com; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:06:05 -0700 Received: from zsteiner ([159.242.171.40]) by thomas.butler.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 4.1) with ESMTP id GSFCDN00.7UI for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:05:47 -0500 From: "Zachary Steiner" To: Subject: Break Up Music Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:05:39 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c1c318$b5ee0170$28abf29f@butler.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk What are some albums/songs that make people feel better when they break up or are just feeling down? Thanks Zach - - - --part1_ea.2397d34b.29b509be_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 12:29:50 -0500 From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Re: breakin' up is hard to doo(wop). I know it's definitely not the regular fare for this list but I'd recommend Ray Charles' early stuff on ABC records. I mean, the guy is just so f-ing depressed and down that you think "Shit, at least my life's not THAT bad!" Best, Jason - -- Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - - ------------------------------ Date: 4 Mar 2002 09:59:20 -0800 From: Dan Given Subject: Re: breakin' up is hard to do (wop). > From: skip Heller > Subject: Re: breakin' up is hard to doo(wop). > > BLOOD ON THE TRACKS -- Bob Dylan > "I Loved You Yesterday" -- Lyle Lovett > > or, if you're good and pissed off: > "God Will" -- Lyle Lovett Lovett's "L.A County" may also be required listening for anyone who has just been dumped and is contemplating revenge. Dan Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 10:17:07 -0800 From: skip Heller Subject: Re: breakin' up is hard to do (wop). on 3/4/02 9:59 AM, Dan Given at dlgiven@altavista.com wrote: > > Lovett's "L.A County" may also be required listening for anyone who has just > been dumped and is contemplating revenge. > > Dan actually, all of PONTIAC got me through a divorce. "If I Had A Boat" is definitely the best song about nautical independance and Lone Ranger abandonment I've ever heard. And "She's No Lady" is misogyny as art, to be sure. skip h - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 18:24:26 +0000 (WET) From: Ricardo Reis Subject: Re: Break Up Music i just point to "excerpts from a love circus" by Lisa Germano. She's sad, weird and darkly happy (meaning i can't get really down by hearing it and come up in the other end of the song sadly happy... like i'm the good guy who did the right thing and didn't enjoy it kind of compensation). it's on 4AD... Ricardo Reis "Non Serviam" - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 10:27:56 -0800 From: skip Heller Subject: and the opposite of not sex Yep, the opposite of breaking up, when a young man's thought turn to gettin' it regular... What records do you put on when spring has sprung and you're mood is elevated? Last time I enjoyed this phenomenon, it was just about anything by Los Lobos, for which my then-new girlfriend (now wife) shared a deep love (and between us had all their records, which is infinitely more useful than an amulet). Also, a lot of old school rhythm'n'blues (Bloodstone, Grover stuff on Kudu, Earth, Wind, and Fire etc). There's something about that period of R&B that is perfect for long car trips and so forth, which we took a lot of early on. So -- what does the list list as best "new love in bloom" music? sh - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:31:02 EST From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: breakin' up is hard to do (wop). Best break up album for me has always been Elvis Costello's "King of America." "Well the way that I feel is no longer news, you know my love and how to refuse it, 'cause you know where the door is and how to use it...oh you know you do." or, Our Little Angel This is the place where I made my best mistakes This is the place even angels don't understand I've seen the disappointment in her face And the collection of engagement rings on her right hand She sits alone apart from the crowd In a white dress she wears like a question mark Friends speak of her fondly Enemies just think out loud You think you're man enough to please her And you're fool enough to start You're not going to do a thing to our little angel There's nothing you're thinking tonight that tomorrow won't change Now the cabaret is frozen and the laughter comes in cans And the lonely hearts club clientele don't know what to do with their hands You think that you'll be sweet to her but everybody knows That you're the marshmallow valentine that got stuck on her clothes But you're not going to do a thing to our little angel There's nothing you're thinking tonight that tomorrow won't change So you mix your drinks and words You make bad jokes you make bad time The floors are there to walk over The walls are there to climb You swear that you'll never go back again once you're inside You're never the bridegroom she's always the bride And you're not going to do a thing to our little angel There's nothing you're thinking tonight that tomorrow won't change You'll come in a sweetheart and you'll go out a stranger Well you try to love her but she's so contrary Like a chainsaw running through a dictionary So get your mind off the sweet behind of our little angel You're not going to do a thing You're not going to do a thing You're not going to do a thing to our little angel ______________________________________________________________________ Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately, and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music." - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 10:31:55 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Break Up Music UPBEAT: The Divine Comedy: "The Pop Singer's Fear of the Pollen Count" DOWNBEAT The Blue Nile: "A Walk Across the Rooftops" Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds: "The Carny" Georges Brassens: "La Non-Demande en Mariage" Robert Wyatt: "Sea Song" American Music Club: "Ex-Girlfriend" The Beatles: "The Long and Winding Road" Randy Newman: "Baltimore" Elton John: "Love Song" - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:52:09 -0500 From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Re: and the opposite of not sex At 10:27 AM -0800 3/4/02, skip Heller wrote: >So -- what does the list list as best "new love in bloom" music? There are some wonderful tunes (mostly Barry Phipps's) on the Coctails' _Peel_: "Miss Maple" and "Postcard" come to mind. Dizzy's "Say Eh!" has grabbed us lately, too. And you can't go wrong with Big Star: "Life Is Right," "When My Baby's Beside Me," "September Gurls," many, many others. Late Chet Baker can do it as well, when his voice got that smokier hint of pathos. The Ramones "Oh Oh I Love Her So" is prime, as is lots of Beat Happening...and there are some great tunes in the Fuck ouvre (like "Monkey Doll," "Italy," and "Laundry Shop" from _Conduct_). I've noticed, however, that most of my collection is either noisy or sad, even though I'm not. - -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 11:01:11 -0600 (CST) From: "William W. Schonbein" Subject: Los Angeles, march 3-9? hello, i'll be in LA from march 3 till the 9th. a glance of the knitting factory hollywood website was even more dissapointing than usual. can anyone make any other suggestions for improv/jazz events (ranging from electroacoustic to good straightish jazz e.g., chris potter) ? any suggestions much appreciated. thanks, whit wwschonb@artsci.wustl.edu - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 21:58:24 +0100 From: patRice Subject: Bye For Now... :-( Hello y'all... Feel like saying goodbye before unsubscribing tomorrow or Tuesday. Even though I am a lucky person, since this coming Friday I'll be off travelling for (hopefully quite) some time, I know I'll miss a lot of your mails and useful information... Can't wait until I re-subscribe again! Take care all of you! Yours, patRice np: Underground Resistance, various 12"s nr: Alex Kerr, Dogs & Demons - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 14:56:56 EST From: UFOrbK8@aol.com Subject: music to fall in love to. the best album i ever fell in love to: music for airports (ambient 1) - brian eno. what a great album to stay up all night and talk and kiss and make up dreams about the future the two of you will share when you get older... simply transporting... another: if you're feeling sinister - belle and sebastian. i can pinpoint very brilliantly happy times to this album... maybe that's why i don't listen to it so much anymore. suddenly depressed, k8. :) - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 15:36:38 EST From: TagYrIt@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue Nile - --part1_138.a5a2865.29b534d6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/4/2002 1:32:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, proussel@ichips.intel.com writes: > DOWNBEAT > > The Blue Nile: "A Walk Across the Rooftops" > Well, I don't know about this one...Ever since I first heard it when it first came out (and I still own it) I always found this album to be beautifully stark. Dale. - --part1_138.a5a2865.29b534d6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/4/2002 1:32:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, proussel@ichips.intel.com writes:


DOWNBEAT

    The Blue Nile: "A Walk Across the Rooftops"


Well, I don't know about this one...Ever since I first heard it when it first came out (and I still own it) I always found this album to be beautifully stark.

Dale. - --part1_138.a5a2865.29b534d6_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:21:42 -0800 From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: Los Angeles, march 3-9? Subject: Los Angeles, march 3-9? Bill Roper opening for Carl Stone in Eagle Rock was sensational last night. Did you find that one? - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 17:41:47 -0500 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: New Frisell project, NYC, June 7-8 June 7, 8 2002 Bill Frisell: Mysterio Simpatico Music by Bill Frisell, art by Jim Woodring Commissioned by Arts at St. Ann's Featuring Bill Frisell, guitar, Jenny Scheinman, violin, Ron Miles, trumpet, Jim Woodring, charcoal Arts at St. Ann's has commissioned guitarist Bill Frisell's new Mysterio Simpatico, which he will perform June 7 and 8 at St. Ann's Warehouse. Frisell's guitar style combines the heartland sensibility of American roots music, the improvisational flights of jazz, the energy of rock and the compositional power of Copland, Ives and Stravinsky. Inspired by award winning cartoonist Jim Woodring and the multi-faceted musicians, violinist Jenny Scheinman and trumpeter Ron Miles, Frisell brings his protean style to this multimedia suite, performing live to Woodring's projected landscape of animations, collages and crisp, moody tone drawings. Fri, Sat 8pm $30 For tickets, call Arts at St. Ann's, 718-858-2424 Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com (I have no connection to St. Ann's, just wanted to pass this along...) - - ------------------------------ Date: 4 Mar 2002 14:55:14 -0800 From: Dan Given Subject: Re: breakin' up is hard to do (wop). On Mon, 04 March 2002, Samerivertwice@aol.com wrote: > > Best break up album for me has always been Elvis Costello's "King of > America." One of my favorite albums of all time, but brings back so many memories of a girl I once knew I can hardly listen to it... Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 17:59:43 -0500 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: breakin' up is hard to do (wop). It's a sad thing when personal cirmcumstances force you to more or less abandon a piece of music that's been important to you. Thankfully, when my marriage ended, the only things I lost were Barenaked Ladies and Moxy Fruvous. I find that I'm doing just fine without both. I don't have a "best breakup album," personally, but I've noticed that every time a relationship has hit the rocks in recent memory, I've tended to wallow in American Music Club discs. Sometimes I have a hard time listening to them when I'm in a better frame of mind now, even though 'California,' 'Everclear' and 'Mercury' are three of my all-time favorites. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dan Given Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 5:55 PM To: Samerivertwice@aol.com Cc: velaires@earthlink.net; zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: breakin' up is hard to do (wop). On Mon, 04 March 2002, Samerivertwice@aol.com wrote: > > Best break up album for me has always been Elvis Costello's "King of > America." One of my favorite albums of all time, but brings back so many memories of a girl I once knew I can hardly listen to it... - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 15:11:30 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: New Frisell project, NYC, June 7-8 On Mon, 4 Mar 2002 17:41:47 -0500 "Steve Smith" wrote: > > June 7, 8 2002 > Bill Frisell: Mysterio Simpatico > Music by Bill Frisell, art by Jim Woodring > Commissioned by Arts at St. Ann's > Featuring Bill Frisell, guitar, Jenny Scheinman, violin, Ron Miles, trumpet, > Jim Woodring, charcoal > > Arts at St. Ann's has commissioned guitarist Bill Frisell's new Mysterio > Simpatico, which he will perform June 7 and 8 at St. Ann's Warehouse. > Frisell's guitar style combines the heartland sensibility of American roots > music, the improvisational flights of jazz, the energy of rock and the > compositional power of Copland, Ives and Stravinsky. Inspired by award > winning cartoonist Jim Woodring and the multi-faceted musicians, violinist > Jenny Scheinman and trumpeter Ron Miles, Frisell brings his protean style to > this multimedia suite, performing live to Woodring's projected landscape of > animations, collages and crisp, moody tone drawings. Looks like it's gonna be hard to not fall asleep :-). Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 15:27:44 -0800 From: skip Heller Subject: Re: breakin' up is hard to do (wop). on 3/4/02 2:59 PM, Steve Smith at ssmith36@sprynet.com wrote: > It's a sad thing when personal cirmcumstances force you to more or less > abandon a piece of music that's been important to you. I had to go about eight yrs without Hank Williams for this reason, which was a loss. Important advice -- resist the temptation to upgrade the musical tastes of your signifigant others (Steve notwithstanding -- she your ex obviously knew some stuff already). Back when I lived in Philly, if you wanted to see every old girlfriend I ever had, all you had to do was wait for NRBQ, Mose Allison, or Ahmad Jamal to come to town, and they'd all be there, thoroughly indoctrinated, grooving hard, and generally with a new boyfriend whose tastes THEY were seeking to upgrade. The irony of this was never lost on me - -- I paid too much attention to music and not to the relationship, the relationship ends, and my taste in music seemed to last forever. skip h - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 18:25:26 EST From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Break Up Music I tend to go for the music that matches the mood- in other words, if I'm upset, the last thing I want to hear is "happy" music. Therefore, in times of gloom, I heartily recommend Talk Talk's _Laughing Stock_ as an album to cure one's ills. However I do realize that Mark Hollis' vocals could make some *want* to slit their wrists... - -- =dg= - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #806 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com