From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #811 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Friday, March 8 2002 Volume 03 : Number 811 In this issue: - Oskar Sala obit- German translation Re: world music Re: world music Re: World Music World Music/Just My Luck Fwd: World Music/Just My Luck Odp: Stravinsky and remastering Odp: Stravinsky and remastering RE: World Music Re: Miles Copeland defends the record industry Re: Miles Copeland defends the record industry the copelands... Re: Anja Garbarek (no JZ content) Re: hyper-ballad software: Ikue Mori and others [njzc] Scott Fields and Jeff Parker Re: software: Ikue Mori and others [njzc] Re: Re: software: Ikue Mori and others [njzc] Re: software: Ikue Mori and others [njzc] Fwd: Re: software: Ikue Mori and others [njzc] early zorn box set Patton's bad taste?! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 16:02:13 -0500 From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Oskar Sala obit- German translation Hello all, I was given another obituary for German electronic music pioneer Oskar Sala . Sad to say, it's all in German and it's about a page or two long. If I may be so bold, can anyone out there help with translation? The online services like Babblefish really aren't sufficient for this kind of thing. Thanks in advance, Jason Gross - -- Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:26:38 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Ricardo=20Campillo?= Subject: Re: world music --- gorilla thing escribió: > Hello and once again welcome to the > world of help Chad find new music. > > I'm looking for any suggestions of 'World Music' > I like Nusrat, Jajouka, and Hamzel El Din and I'm > still on the hunt for > more. > > Thanks ahead of time. > > Chad > > P.S. regarding break-up cd's > any Leonard Cohen cd satisfies my mood swing > heartaches > > > > > _______________________________________________________ I'm not a speciallist, but i find something interesting: Obbiously Ravi Shankar. A magical singer Lakshmi Shankar. A strange cd called "Arnhem Land"-australian aboriginal songs and dances. And some japanese: Gagaku. And tibetan ritual music: Lamas and Monks of The Four Great Orders. and that's all. Regards. _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:03:03 +0000 (WET) From: Ricardo Reis Subject: Re: world music > also, i strongly recommend Amelia Rodriguez for soulful Portuguese Fado = > singing. > > for starters..... > m :) that's a great recommendation but she is Rodrigues with an 's' at the end and not a 'z' (oh, hell, who cares?). but if you're going that way naybe you could check Simone de Oliveira and, from what is called "fado malandro" (devious fado, a kind of fado who appeals to the "little bad guys") try Alfredo Marceneiro. greets, Ricardo Reis "Non Serviam" - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:23:25 -0800 (PST) From: William Crump Subject: Re: World Music A Gorilla-Thing named Chad wrote: >>I'm looking for any suggestions of 'World Music'<< There's an Indian mandolin player (no, really) named U. Srinivas who really knocks my socks out. I don't have much of his stuff, but I can definitely recommend "Rama Sreerama," on the Realworld label. William Crump __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:03:54 -0600 From: parry@macconnect.com Subject: World Music/Just My Luck You can't really go wrong w/ any of the recent Fela Kuti reissues -- at least, I haven't found one yet that I don't love or at least like very much. I've heard some real wussy stuff on Putamayo, but I like the Habib Koite album I got as a bonus in the WWOZ pledge drive. It has that circularity I love in Sunny Ade's music, and Koite's voice has a lovely warmth. The music has a lightness but it's very percussive, a neat combination. I loved the first Manu Chao album, didn't pick up the second because it seems to sound too much like a rehash of the first, from what I've heard -- if anyone thinks it's really worth getting, let me know. I wish I could remember which of the Ethiopiques series were my favorites, they're lost in the morass at the moment. And I like everything I've heard of Khaled so far, three or four albums. Baaba Maal has such a wonderful voice, but there was that one album that was too crossover for me, maybe someone else knows the one I mean.... Has anyone heard any recent Les Negresses Vertes? I had a couple of theirs on vinyl and saw some new import CDs at Tower but I seem to recall one of the main guys had died? They used to sound kind of like French Gypsy Pogues. >Why don't you break my heart one more time just for good luck? My favorite line in a song all year. All the lyrics on that album are brilliant, but that song is just especially sublimely funny. Parry - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:42:09 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= Subject: Fwd: World Music/Just My Luck > I loved the first Manu Chao album, didn't pick up > the second because it > seems to sound too much like a rehash of the first, > from what I've heard -- > if anyone thinks it's really worth getting, let me > know. Absolutely not. Efrén del Valle _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 11:52:09 +0100 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: Stravinsky and remastering The '92 Boulez version is really great. But the stravinsky recording has more attention paid to the quieter parts, and, without being that explosive, certainly has its merits. And Petroushka is smuch better on 'stravinsky conducts stravinsky' then on the boulez disc. Other good versions of the rite are the Ozawa recording from the '60s with Boston SO - very wild, with a very dirty, aggresive sound. Ant a fantastic recording by Claudio Abbado & LSO from the '70s, now avaialble as a part of a great (and cheap - kind of 'two for the proce of one') 2CD Deutsche Grammophon set. Fast, loud, and brillant Marcin - ----- Original Message ----- From: duncan youngerman I'm not sure Strawinsky conducting Strawinsky is really a reference in itself, whether remastered or not. If you want to own a definitive, breathtaking, state-of-the-art recording of "Sacre du Printemps", I would recommend you spend your bucks on the 1992 Deutsche Grammophon CD by Pierre Boulez with the Cleveland Orchestra (also including "Petrushka"), and which is not to be confused with a ca.1970 version. - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 11:57:27 +0100 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: Stravinsky and remastering - ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrice L. Roussel > Strawinsky is quite interesting since, if I remember well, the rhythm on one > of his direction of the Rite of the Spring is quite different from anybody > else. He was very critical of many version of the rite. he criticised von Karajan's recording very strongly, saying that he conducts the piece as if it had been Brahms, and wrote, as a conclusion of his critique (one of the best statemnts on music): "In the Rite of sprong there's no place for anxiety of the soul" Marcin - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:33:24 -0500 From: "Sean Westergaard" Subject: RE: World Music There's an Indian mandolin player (no, really) named U. Srinivas who really knocks my socks out. I don't have much of his stuff, but I can definitely recommend "Rama Sreerama," on the Realworld label. William Crump i second the motion for U. Srinivas. Dawn Raga is another winner. also on the Indian tip, there's a great slide guitar player named Brij Bhushan Kabra. His recordings aren't so easy to find, but there is one called Call of the Valley on EMI Hemishperes. It's Kabra, Hariprasad Chaurasia on flute and Shivkumar Sharma on santoor. it's absolutely beautiful. there's also a series that i believe has been discussed on the list earlier. it's the Ethiopiques series on Buda and it's amazing. Ethiopian pop music from the 60's and 70's. i've got the first 7 volumes and i've heard stuff off 8 & 9. wow. sean - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 09:04:26 -0500 From: Mark Saleski Subject: Re: Miles Copeland defends the record industry when miles was listing all of the costs of producing a recording (signing, marketing, etc)...he does in fact list 'recording'...i thought that it was quite common for the company to charge this cost to the artist, to be subtracted from royalties (assuming that there are any). >Gee, Miles is painting in broad strokes, isnt he? >He makes a few valid points, espec with regard to new companies not having >catalog to rely on for bedrock sales over time, but he's ignoring some basic >stuff. - -- Mark Saleski - marks@foliage.com | http://www.foliage.com/~marks "Music is spiritual. The music business is not." - Van Morrison - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 06:18:56 -0800 From: Tosh Subject: Re: Miles Copeland defends the record industry I thought his comments were interesting, but can we trust someone who's father was the head of the CIA? He he - -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:35:48 EST From: UFOrbK8@aol.com Subject: the copelands... In a message dated 03.07.02 09.18.23, tosh@loop.com writes: >I thought his comments were interesting, but can we trust someone >who's father was the head of the CIA? He he in an old book about athens, georgia, called 'Party Out of Bounds', there is a great piece of information about the copelands - the CIA connection, IRS records, and The Police. just a factoid... l, k8. - --- [.n0thing.is.what.is.sAid.] k a t e p e t e r s o n c o m p o s e r / p e r f o r m e r http://www.geocities.com/uforbk8/kate.html http://www.icefoundation.org (roundtable) - - ------------------------------ Date: From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey) Subject: Re: Anja Garbarek (no JZ content) * "David Evans" : >According to what I've heard, Smiling and Waving is much >more mature and individual than her first album. "Balloon Mood" (1996) is Anja's _second_ record. Her debut, "Velkommen Inn", which is oop, came out in 1992. ;) - -Patrick - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 12:54:41 EST From: UFOrbK8@aol.com Subject: Re: hyper-ballad i'm not sure that the lyrics i perceive as sad are a subtext -- i go through all this before you wake up so i can feel happier to be safe up here with you i don't hear that as a declaration of love so much as i hear it as a woman saying "being with you is really awful, but would i be better off alone?" -- i imagine what my body would sound like slamming against those rocks and when it lands will my eyes be closed or open? i just see it as "will i see my demise (alone or with this relationship) or will it strike me as a surprise?" never thought of it as a subtext. love, k8. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:56:51 -0800 (PST) From: jason tors Subject: software: Ikue Mori and others [njzc] I started dabbling in digital sound manipulation, and I am wondering what applications laptop musicians [like ikue] tend to use. I am really at the beginning stages of discovery using soundedit in conjunction with protools, do any of you know of any other helpful [free or not] apps. thanks J np: waits, mule variations [in anticipation of the new releases] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:12:38 -0500 From: "Zachary Steiner" Subject: Scott Fields and Jeff Parker Has any one heard the new Scott Fields and Jeff Parker collaboration? I'm really curious as to what they sound like. We are considering presenting them and I want to know what to expect so that I can make an informed decision. Thanks in advance. Zach - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:50:32 -0800 (PST) From: thesubtlebody Subject: Re: software: Ikue Mori and others [njzc] - --- jason tors wrote: > I started dabbling in digital sound manipulation, > and I am wondering > what applications laptop musicians [like ikue] tend > to use. If you use a PC, there's a great piece of graphic sound software called Audiomulch (http://www.audiomulch.com) that's intended for performance as well as composition. An expensive but ridiculously powerful program called Reaktor is available for both PC and Mac platforms (http://www.native-instruments.de), and a really inetersting and fertile environment for Mac (and allegedly, for PC, any month now...) called MAX/MSP (technically two programs, see http://www.cycling74.com), which are also widely used (at one point at least, this is apparently mainly what Tetsu Inoue was using...and I highly recommend his Tzadik record FRAGMENT DOTS, fine record...I wonder how PSYCHO ACOUSTIC compares?). MAX and Reaktor are pretty pricey, though. The inventor of MAX is developing freeware called PD (aka Pure Data), which I think runs on Windows NT only (http://gige.xdv.org/pages/pd/pages/links). There is also the mighty Csound (http://www.csounds.com ), which is free for both Mac and PC, and if you choose this path, I highly recommend checking out the CSOUND BOOK, edited by Richard Boulanger (I think). You might also check out: http://music.calarts.edu/~tre/CompMusMac/ http://shoko.calarts.edu/CompMusPC/ I would also welcome any pointers; this is just something I've been getting into lately myself. I hope the field matures and develops further; there's exciting stuff being done. Has Ikue Mori gone purely to computer music now? Does she not use her older sampling equipment in performance? - -----s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 15:05:08 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Re: software: Ikue Mori and others [njzc] >If you use a PC, there's a great piece of graphic >sound software called Audiomulch I've also used Gold Wave with good results, often in conjunction with Audiomulch. Gold Wave is more of an editor and Audiomulch more a sound generator but that's only very roughly speaking. There are other editors with more tracks than Gold Wave's two but Gold Wave was fine for what I was doing (& I kinda liked the restriction). I've toyed with about a dozen other programs with more specific functions but can't remember any of their names off-hand. The big industry powerhouse Power Tools offers a smaller home use version for free. I've heard from people who were quite happy with it but the system requirements were pretty high and would have been right on the edge for my computer so I never felt it was worth fiddling with. LT - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:07:36 -0600 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: software: Ikue Mori and others [njzc] On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 10:50:32AM -0800, thesubtlebody wrote: > The inventor of MAX is > developing freeware called PD (aka Pure Data), which I > think runs on Windows NT only > (http://gige.xdv.org/pages/pd/pages/links). It's also available on (and native to) Linux and other UNIX-like OSes (I use it on a Linux laptop). http://www.pure-data.org/ - -- | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | New book: Surprise Me with Beauty: the Music of Human Systems | | http://www.metatronpress.com/nj/smwb.html | | Latest CDs: Collaborations/ All Souls http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 22:36:15 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= Subject: Fwd: Re: software: Ikue Mori and others [njzc] Hi, Has Ikue Mori gone > purely > to computer music now? Does she not use her older > sampling equipment in performance? > > -----s It depends. On the DD's "Witness" show I saw here she was only using the Mac laptop but her latest CD on Tzadik, Labyrynth, features both computer and drum machines. I guess the laptop is much more confortable to go on tour! Best, Efrén del Valle n.p: Chicago Underground Quartet "s.t" (Thrill Jockey) _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 16:00:23 +0000 From: "Kurt Gottschalk" Subject: early zorn box set i'm nowhere near paying $500 for this, but it's worth a look. i just saw it on ebay -- a handmade (by jz) box set of the parachute titles. the seller (not i) has a lot of photos up, too. have a look: Item # 850135812 _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 17:26:28 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= Subject: Patton's bad taste?! Hi, Last week a Catalan newspaper supplement seems to have featured a brief article on Mike Patton/Tomahawk and a trustable source that read it says it also mentioned some curious Patton projects/collaborations/performances, being one of them Patton himself with a chorus of kids with Down’s sindrome. Funny? Certainly not. Could be a joke in a very poor taste or something Patton just made up, like when he declared in a press conference that he was an homosexual (as far as I know, he’s not) Anyone knows something about this? I haven’t read anything on the list about it, so I guess it’s just a rumour- otherwise it would have come up, that’s for sure. However, I remember reading once about an American producer who gathered five or six boys with Down’s syndrome for a recording session and the LP actually hit the streets and has become a collector’s item (for some freaks, I assume). Awful. Best, Efrén del Valle _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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