From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #817 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Wednesday, March 13 2002 Volume 03 : Number 817 In this issue: - More Melvins / Thrones Meshuggah music resource on-line Fwd: Meshuggah Fwd: music resource on-line RE: Melvins birth & happy apple, minneapolis, thursday Scelsi Xu Feng Re: More Melvins / Thrones Re: More Melvins / Thrones ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 00:49:03 -0800 From: "john schuller" Subject: More Melvins / Thrones I have to pipe in about the Melvins some more. I think that given some of the desciptions I have been reading here that a lot of people think of them as just "Metal" or "Drone". This is partly true and partly not. Lysol is a huge influence on the "Leng Tche" album, yet WAY stronger and more effective. The Melvins are grounded in Metal in the way you could say Zorn is grounded in Jazz. And their music stretches out and around all over the place as well. I guess I just don't want some people here to disregard them as just another "metal" band. They are way beyond that. As far as the Thrones. Go buy "Sperm Whale" right away. Joe Preston on bass and vocals, and a drum machine. Very creative, very sick, very heavy, very much the way the future of music should be. You will not be disappointed. Live - he is a force to be reckoned with. John Schuller _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 12:41:25 +0100 From: "Bernie hotmail" Subject: Meshuggah I would add the album "Destroy Erase Improve" by Meshuggah which is balanced and highly intensive in good music features. Bernie. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 8:31 AM Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #815 > > > > > well, i know Zorn likes the Melvins. a friend of mine asked him what metal > > he was into, and he listed The Melvins, Napalm Death, and Death. > > Aha, Zorn likes them, so they *must* be good, right? And the other two metal > bands he likes must probably also be the absolute bomb, then? > > The Melvins are but one (but, admittedly, a very good one), in a string of > bands that have sport a very thick, droney sound. Others are Earth, Isis > (now on Mike Patton's Ipecac), SunO))), and the Japanese bands Corrupted and Boris > (I bet you Zorn is totally into Corrupted). > > We've had this metal discussion before, and it must be repeated that there are > tons of good metal records coming out, some even ground-breaking, some even more > avant-garde than the self-declared avant-garde; a lot more than The Wire would dare to > admit. > > Check out: > > Mortician "Domain of Death" > NY gore core, super-fast drumming, intros from all kinds of horror movies, totally > excellent; they will have a new album later this year with live drums for the first > time. > Morbid Angel "Formulas Fatal to the Flesh" > Stunning guitar extravaganza from Trey Azagthoth, who would be hailed as an > avant-garde guitar genius by The Wire if only he didn't play metal. > Nile "Black Seeds of Vengeance" > Probably the best death metal in recent years; super-complex songs with hardly > any room to breathe, everything at break-neck speed, multi-layered, fascinating. > They'll also have a new album out this year. > Burnt by the Sun "Soundtrack to the Personal Revolution" > I caught their drummer live with Melt-Banana (so there's another tie-in for the > Zorn afficionados) last year, and have been looking forward to this album ever > since; I haven't heard it yet, but it's getting rave reviews everywhere, and > it is said to be the best thing Relapse did since Dillinger Escape Plan. > Enslaved "Monumension" > Incredible album from these black metal descendants, totally misunderstood by > the metal community for its reliance on Pink Floyd and King Crimson influences, > heavy organ tracks, complex song-structures, etc. > Converge "Jane Doe" > A blow in the face. A knife in the back. Fuckin' intense. Incredibly noisy. > For those who have always wondered how Merzbow would translate to metal. > Meshuggah "Chaosphere" > My favorite metal album of all time. Incredibly complex, I've seen tablatures > where time signatures like 28/16, 25/16, 23/16, etc. were running amock in > one and the same song. This is also an album that is widely misunderstood by > the metal community. The much heard complaint that "all the tracks sound the > same" goes a long way to support the theorem that a lot of people just don't > have ears. > Arcturus "The Sham Mirrors" (4/9) > If this is going to be anything like their previous masterpiece "La masquerade > infernale" then we're up for something... Heavy prog-rock influences, operatic > vocals, E.A.Poe poems for lyrics, carnival organ parts, drum'n'bass,... > > Frankco > > > > > > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 12:16:57 +0000 (WET) From: Ricardo Reis Subject: music resource on-line Hi! The Fonoteca de Lisboa is part of the Camara Municipal de Lisboa (the city hall here) and is a library of sound records (so to speak). one can freely go to their installations and listen to CDs or music related publications or... go to their site and do the same thing! just found out they have most of their CD catalog on mp3 format for home listening through the net. a search engine is also available. the record collection is vast and enlarging and it is also a chance for you to listen to some portuguese music and deciding if you like it before expending money on it (the same goes for oher music but as portuguese seems difficult to get out it would be a waste not to point it). url is as follows: http://www.cm-lisboa.pt/Fonoteca/oqueee.htm greets, Ricardo Reis "Non Serviam" - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:44:47 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= Subject: Fwd: Meshuggah HI, Since we're into metal, I'd also like to add one more name that didn't came up: Today is the Day. I only heard their first album, "Supernova" when it came out, and it's some of the most intense, oppresive and overwhelming music I've ever heard. I don't know what their later works sound like, just listened to "Temple of the Morning Star" and didn't like that sort of more "straight-ahead" heavy metal. Best, Efrén del VAlle n.p: John Zorn "Duras" > > I would add the album "Destroy Erase Improve" by > Meshuggah which is balanced > and highly intensive in good music features. > > Bernie. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 8:31 AM > Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #815 > > > > > > > > > > > well, i know Zorn likes the Melvins. a friend > of mine asked him what > metal > > > he was into, and he listed The Melvins, Napalm > Death, and Death. > > > > Aha, Zorn likes them, so they *must* be good, > right? And the other two > metal > > bands he likes must probably also be the absolute > bomb, then? > > > > The Melvins are but one (but, admittedly, a very > good one), in a string of > > bands that have sport a very thick, droney sound. > Others are Earth, Isis > > (now on Mike Patton's Ipecac), SunO))), and the > Japanese bands Corrupted > and Boris > > (I bet you Zorn is totally into Corrupted). > > > > We've had this metal discussion before, and it > must be repeated that there > are > > tons of good metal records coming out, some even > ground-breaking, some > even more > > avant-garde than the self-declared avant-garde; a > lot more than The Wire > would dare to > > admit. > > > > Check out: > > > > Mortician "Domain of Death" > > NY gore core, super-fast drumming, intros from > all kinds of horror > movies, totally > > excellent; they will have a new album later > this year with live drums > for the first > > time. > > Morbid Angel "Formulas Fatal to the Flesh" > > Stunning guitar extravaganza from Trey > Azagthoth, who would be hailed > as an > > avant-garde guitar genius by The Wire if only > he didn't play metal. > > Nile "Black Seeds of Vengeance" > > Probably the best death metal in recent years; > super-complex songs > with hardly > > any room to breathe, everything at break-neck > speed, multi-layered, > fascinating. > > They'll also have a new album out this year. > > Burnt by the Sun "Soundtrack to the Personal > Revolution" > > I caught their drummer live with Melt-Banana > (so there's another > tie-in for the > > Zorn afficionados) last year, and have been > looking forward to this > album ever > > since; I haven't heard it yet, but it's > getting rave reviews > everywhere, and > > it is said to be the best thing Relapse did > since Dillinger Escape > Plan. > > Enslaved "Monumension" > > Incredible album from these black metal > descendants, totally > misunderstood by > > the metal community for its reliance on Pink > Floyd and King Crimson > influences, > > heavy organ tracks, complex song-structures, > etc. > > Converge "Jane Doe" > > A blow in the face. A knife in the back. > Fuckin' intense. Incredibly > noisy. > > For those who have always wondered how Merzbow > would translate to > metal. > > Meshuggah "Chaosphere" > > My favorite metal album of all time. > Incredibly complex, I've seen > tablatures > > where time signatures like 28/16, 25/16, > 23/16, etc. were running > amock in > > one and the same song. This is also an album > that is widely > misunderstood by > > the metal community. The much heard complaint > that "all the tracks > sound the > > same" goes a long way to support the theorem > that a lot of people just > don't > > have ears. > > Arcturus "The Sham Mirrors" (4/9) > > If this is going to be anything like their > previous masterpiece "La > masquerade > > infernale" then we're up for something... > Heavy prog-rock influences, > operatic > > vocals, E.A.Poe poems for lyrics, carnival > organ parts, > drum'n'bass,... > > > > Frankco > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > - > _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:52:31 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= Subject: Fwd: music resource on-line Hi, I'd encourage everyone to check this resource. I've done it and I'm amazed by the results! Thanks a lot, Ricardo. Best, Efrén del Valle > > Hi! > > The Fonoteca de Lisboa is part of the Camara > Municipal de Lisboa > (the city hall here) and is a library of sound > records (so to speak). one > can freely go to their installations and listen to > CDs or music related > publications or... go to their site and do the same > thing! just found out > they have most of their CD catalog on mp3 format for > home listening > through the net. a search engine is also available. > the record collection > is vast and enlarging and it is also a chance for > you to listen to some > portuguese music and deciding if you like it before > expending money on it > (the same goes for oher music but as portuguese > seems difficult to get out > it would be a waste not to point it). url is as > follows: > > http://www.cm-lisboa.pt/Fonoteca/oqueee.htm > > greets, > Ricardo Reis > > "Non Serviam" > > > - > _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:44:42 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Gillham?= Subject: RE: Melvins >Funny thing about old news is that it always remains >new news to someone somewhere. Absolutely, but I think what I meant to say was, "I can't be BOTHERED to repeat myself...". >I'm not picking on you, Michael. Poking you in the >ribs, maybe, but not picking on you. I think I've explained myself above. Ha. Even if you were picking on me, I'm a big boy now, and can handle it. And the last time someone poked me in the ribs, I punched them in the gut. "Prick" and "Honkey" certainly aren't "noise" albums. "Prick" is often described as an "experimental" album (alot of people don't like it), but to me it's just Melvins being Melvins. Bravo to the chap who listed those Melvins titles as recommendations, but my favourite Melvins record is the one I'm listening to at the time. I really can't recommend particular title for beginners. Again, for anyone interested, just start at the start and work your way through the discography. Indeed, I like Thrones alot. Obviously Joe was in Earth, Melvins, etc. My favourite Thrones release is "Alraune" CD (Communion), and this is the first title I recommend to anyone interested, and then "Sperm Whale" (Kill Rock Stars). Thrones website : http://www.killrockstars.com/bands/thrones/ Without going completely OTT, personally, I think Joe is one of the most interesing musicians active today, and one that I have alot of time for. And don't get me talking about Earth, because I like to think of myself as an 'expert' and/or 'authority' on them, and this'd never end... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:35:32 +0000 From: "graham stephenson" Subject: birth & happy apple, minneapolis, thursday two great modern jazz trios are performing in minneapolis tomorrow (thursday 3/14). just wanted to give the heads-up and the recommendation. they are both drums/sax/electric bass groups that i suppose you could compare to tim berne's bloodcount, medeski martin wood and squarepusher. i've never seen Birth (birthsound.com), but they are based in cleveland and NYC, and consist of joshua smith (ts/as), joe tomino (d), jeremy bleich (b). Cuong Vu guests on their new cd. i've been to dozens of happy apple (happyapplegroup.com) shows, and they consist of david king (d) michael lewis (ts, as, ss), and eric fratzke (b). amazing group. according to city pages, john zorn has voiced support for these hometown favorites. they're going to play a set each, and then a combined set under the name Orange Car Crash 14 Times. should be awesome. 10pm, loring pasta bar (in dinkytown) 18+, cheap __ (\_ (_ \ ( '> ) \/_)= (_(_ )_ squirrel _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:47:09 +0000 (WET) From: Ricardo Reis Subject: Scelsi A friend just introduced me to Giacinto Scelsi through "AION / PFHAT / KONX-OM-PAX" from orchestre and choeur da la radio-television polonaise. impressive. the voices span and fill up space. the feeling is of crushing futurism, the futurism i see in the sound that is not in "2001, space odissey" (this is a hard concept but i'm failing on words). check it out. greets, Ricardo Reis "Non Serviam" - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:37:59 -0800 From: David Slusser Subject: Xu Feng Jonas Leddington wrote: >As for Zorn knowing drums, I entirely agree. He recently performed Xu >Feng at the Miller Theatre in New York as a closing tribute to the actress >during a mini-fest of Hong Kong cinema. While I understand it was >originally recorded as a piece for two guitars, two electronics players, and >two drums, the Miller performance was for six drums. (Of the six, I recall >only Susie >Ibarra.) > >I have not heard the original piece, but the drum performance was >outstanding, at the same time focused and varied, employing multifarious >rhythms and abundant improvisation over a unity just hidden from view, as it >were. Zorn directed various combinations of all six players, each of whom >assumed a distinct personality. From where I sat I could see a number of >the cards, which were surprisingly simple: "rhythmic", "fast", "slow", >"quiet" -- and, seeing the cards, it became very clear that the drummers >were working within distinct if broad parameters that must have been laid >out quite carefully before hand (the source of the unity). > >Any comments on the recorded Xu Feng would be much appreciated. I'm pretty sure it was originally, or at least alternatively, conceived for six drummers. The configuration on the record is the "concerto" version, as in concerto for two drummers, where the guitars and electronics provide the ensemble relief. You wouldn't know it from the score, which is Cobra based; very democratic, with no favoritism for the drums, but it works out that way. Cobra on steroids, adding a few more complicated strategies and detours. In the six drummer version, it resembles Cobra even more, for the players are on equal footing. What may seem to have been laid out quite carefully before hand (I don't think Zorn would go for that) is actually the result of properly performing the intricate score; playing the game piece following its Byzantine rules. One particular operation called fencing, more readily apparent in the concerto version, requires a trio to simultaneously play in three different genres. Once you start in that section, you have to stick to your genre, staying in character as it were - perhaps what you observed in the players assuming a distinct personality. Done well, it would seem to have been laid out beforehand; something that can be said of the entire piece. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:16:01 -0600 From: "Samuel Haase" Subject: Re: More Melvins / Thrones I guess I just don't want some people here to disregard them as just another "metal" band. They are way beyond that. And I want anyone who read that who hasn't checked out metal yet not to assume metal bands suck or make unsophisticated music. some do, but if you speak in terms like "just another metal band" then you haven't heard the good metal and you are missing out imho. -samuel _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:15:55 -0600 From: "Samuel Haase" Subject: Re: More Melvins / Thrones I guess I just don't want some people here to disregard them as just another "metal" band. They are way beyond that. And I want anyone who read that who hasn't checked out metal yet not to assume metal bands suck or make unsophisticated music. some do, but if you speak in terms like "just another metal band" then you haven't heard the good metal and you are missing out imho. -samuel _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #817 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". 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