From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #872 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Tuesday, April 2 2002 Volume 03 : Number 872 In this issue: - feldman & varese need a date? Re: need a date? Re: need a date? Gordon Mumma in RealAudio, Mappings for the week beginning April 2, 2002 Re: [Fwd: RE: Melville] RE: Altered States Re: feldman. new Incus discs Re: victo [was: new Incus discs] RE: new Incus discs (and Erstwhiles, too) Varese Re: feldman. help with Ron Miles' WOMEN'S DAY Re: Morton Feldman & Edgar Varese Re: Morton Feldman & Edgar Varese RE: Morton Feldman & Edgar Varese the downside of going to victo Re: Morton Feldman & Edgar Varese The real Feldman/Cage schedule, or why's Steve's an imbecile ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 00:28:46 +0000 From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: feldman & varese Thanks to all for the recs on Feldman and Varese. And thanks to Caleb as well for the comments about Heldon. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 20:44:31 EST From: RainDog138@aol.com Subject: need a date? i need the dates (years) of the following pieces and I know one of you guys can help: 1.) Subotnick's - "Silver Apples Of The Moon (part a)" 2.) Henry's - "Etranglement" 3.) Varese's - "Poeme Electronique?" 4.) Cage's - "William's Mix" 5.) Cage's - "And The Earth Shall Bear Again (for prepared piano)" 6.) Cage's - "Indeterminacy" also can someone give me a quick explanation of what exactly is meant by prepared piano? thanks for the help all...-mike t - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 18:02:13 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: need a date? On Mon, 1 Apr 2002 20:44:31 EST RainDog138@aol.com wrote: > > i need the dates (years) of the following pieces and I know one of you guys > can help: > > 1.) Subotnick's - "Silver Apples Of The Moon (part a)" > 2.) Henry's - "Etranglement" > 3.) Varese's - "Poeme Electronique?" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 1958 > 4.) Cage's - "William's Mix" ^^^^^^^^^^^^ 1952 > 5.) Cage's - "And The Earth Shall Bear Again (for prepared piano)" > 6.) Cage's - "Indeterminacy" > > also can someone give me a quick explanation of what exactly is meant by > prepared piano? > > thanks for the help all...-mike t > > - > - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 20:53:29 -0600 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: need a date? For Cage dates and related information, check out http://home.wish.net/~chaudron/cage.html According to the Ohm box, the Varese was from 1958, the Subotnick from 1968, From Cage's "Autobiographical Statement" at http://www.newalbion.com/artists/cagej/autobiog.html : "Before I left the Cornish School I made the prepared piano. I needed percussion instruments for music for a dance that had an African character by Syvilla Fort. But the theater in which she was to dance had no wings and there was no pit. There was only a small grand piano built in to the front and left of the audience. At the time I either wrote twelve-tone music for piano or I wrote percussion music. There was no room for the instruments. I couldn't find an African twelve tone row. I finally realized I had to change the piano. I did so by placing objects between the strings. The piano was transformed into a percussion orchestra having the loudness, say, of a harpsichord." You're on your own for the Pierre Henry info :-) On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 08:44:31PM -0500, RainDog138@aol.com wrote: > i need the dates (years) of the following pieces and I know one of you guys > can help: > > 1.) Subotnick's - "Silver Apples Of The Moon (part a)" > 2.) Henry's - "Etranglement" > 3.) Varese's - "Poeme Electronique?" > 4.) Cage's - "William's Mix" > 5.) Cage's - "And The Earth Shall Bear Again (for prepared piano)" > 6.) Cage's - "Indeterminacy" > > also can someone give me a quick explanation of what exactly is meant by > prepared piano? > > thanks for the help all...-mike t > > - > - -- | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | New book: Surprise Me with Beauty: the Music of Human Systems | | http://www.metatronpress.com/nj/smwb.html | | Latest CDs: Collaborations/ All Souls http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 22:31:47 -0600 From: Herb Levy Subject: Gordon Mumma in RealAudio, Mappings for the week beginning April 2, 2002 Hi y'all, This week on Mappings , you'll hear works for tape and live electronics by composer Gordon Mumma. The show went online Monday night around 10:00 PM (-0600 GMT) and will remain online at the above URL for a week. Last week's program (featuring music for soloists, duos and trios by Ellen Burr, Allison Cameron, Mark Dresser, Anne La Berge, George E Lewis, Denman Maroney, Toshimaru Nakamura, Stefano Scodanibbio, and Linda Catlin Smith) is still available in the Mappings archive (click on the link to last week's show on the page noted above), soon you will again find play lists for the program since it began in March 1998. Hope you tune in to the program. Bests, Herb - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 22:40:23 -0800 From: Jim Flannery Subject: Re: [Fwd: RE: Melville] josephneff wrote: > While we're on the subject, a while back Jim Flannery was reading > "Wieland" by Charles Brockden Brown. Care to give a short opinion Jim? Like somebody here has said in another context, it's interesting if you're interested in that sort of thing. It's roughly a gothic (contemporaneous w/ Lewis' _The Monk_, etc.), set in the country outside Philadelphia in the 1760s. It certainly has its moments of sensationalism (hell, there's a human spontaneous combustion in the first chapter) but it's got its longeurs too. For me, it was fascinating to see the generic formulas (as we're used to them in the european renditions) warped by an already-formed american weltanschauung (I can't really elaborate w/o blowing gags) & the picture of domestic life among the propertied colonial classes wa nicely detailed. Some things seemed surprisingly Modern, although the 18thC. approach to "honor" got to be wearing after awhile, & it's a big part of the plot engine ... I'd certainly recommend it to anyone who actually enjoys Hawthorne, but you gotta be prepared intermittently comprehensibe motivations, and for that early american language. Do try to find an edition (like the HBJ trade paperback) that includes the related fragment _Memoirs of Carwin the Biloquist_, an abandoned "prequel" narrated by _Wieland_'s antagonist. - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com "Unexamined assumptions and axioms can be collected the way one might collect stamps." -- James Elkins np: Bitch Magnet, _Ben Hur_ nr: _Rapid Eye 1_ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 10:05:09 +0100 From: "Witkowski, Marcin" Subject: RE: Altered States Altered States is one of my favourite japanese improvised band. Last year I invite them on Warsaw Summer Jazz Days in Poland and they played amazing never-forgetting rock-jazz-improv mix. Their live shows are always 100% improvised but watching on them you think they are playing well trained scores! Uchihashi Kazuhisa, Yoshigaki Yasuhiro, Mitsuru Nasuno beside they are great musicians, they are also very kind, nice and modest people. I love all of their releases, maybe "6" is the one I hear more often than others. "Play Standards" is definitely the best start point for all pure jazz-fans. You really should see them live! Marcin Witkowski Visit my trading web site: http://www.geocities.com/bromwit *********************************************************************************************** The information contained in this message or any of its attachments may be confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). Any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited without the express permission of the sender. The views expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily those of Sony or Sony affiliated companies. Sony email is for business use only. This email and any response may be monitored by Sony United Kingdom Limited. (04) *********************************************************************************************** - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 07:44:08 -0500 From: Alan Lankin Subject: Re: feldman. Stale cigarette smoke. Cadmium red paint stains on his jacket from leaning on a Philip Guston painting. UFOrbK8@aol.com wrote: did morton feldman smell bad? inquiring minds want to know... any description of his scent would be welcomed, the more detailed the better. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 09:21:12 -0500 From: "Bruno Bissonnette" Subject: new Incus discs Hey all, Does anybody have any comments/reviews on the following new Incus releases: Incus CD 50 Flying dragons Derek Bailey/Min Xiao-Fen (this better than their first one?) Incus CD 51 Duos, London 2001 Derek Bailey/Julian Kytasty/Roger Turner/Alan Wilkinson Also... it's April and I still haven't found the exact schedule for the Victoriaville Fest. Anyone? It's not on their website yet. If I knew the days for certain concerts I could plan some vacation days... Thanks, Bruno _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 09:49:27 -0500 From: Mathieu =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=E9langer?= Subject: Re: victo [was: new Incus discs] Hello, >Also... it's April and I still haven't found the exact schedule for >the Victoriaville Fest. Anyone? It's not on their website yet. If >I knew the days for certain concerts I could plan some vacation >days... =46or those in Montreal, the exact schedule is on a wall at Cheap Thrills. For the others, I'm going from memory so sorry for any mistake... In chronological order for each day: - - Thursday: Mruta Mersti, Frith/etc. and Granelli/Reilly - - Friday: I8U, Lee/Lerner, Set Fire to Flames, Ranaldo/etc. and Melt Banana - - Saturday: Drake/Hemingway, Polwechsel, Fujii/Yoshida, Takase/Bauer, Tippett and Necks - - Sunday: Kowald/Parker, Gosfield, Silva/Thomas, Chadbourne/Lussier, Taylor/Dixon/Oxley, H=E9bert/Ostertag - - Monday: Scanner, Wetfish, Kristian/Shalabi/St-Onge, Merzbow/Pan Sonic Hope it helps, Mathieu - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 10:36:22 -0500 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: new Incus discs (and Erstwhiles, too) For that matter, has anyone heard the music on the third new Incus release, the 2CD 'Old Sights, New Sounds' solo Bailey set originally recorded in 1978 and released on Aquirax Aida's label Morgue? Also, Jon Abbey has just released the two latest Erstwhiles: MIMEO/John Tilbury: 'The Hands Of Caravaggio' and poire_z +. I've got mine on order, so no opinions to tender as yet. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - George Walker, Piano Concerto - Natalie Hinderas, DSO/Freeman (DSO) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bruno Bissonnette Does anybody have any comments/reviews on the following new Incus releases: Incus CD 50 Flying dragons Derek Bailey/Min Xiao-Fen (this better than their first one?) Incus CD 51 Duos, London 2001 Derek Bailey/Julian Kytasty/Roger Turner/Alan Wilkinson - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 10:43:15 EST From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Varese I haven't been keeping track of the recent Varese discussion, but just seeing his name on so many subject lines compelled me to dust off Riccardo Chailly's "Varese -- The Complete Works." In all honesty I have nothing to compare these recordings to, but I think they're wonderful. Tom ______________________________________________________________________ Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately, and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music." - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 11:57:04 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: feldman. I noticed a bit of mustard on his sleeve from last Thursday's pastrami sandwich lunch. dB - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Lankin" > Stale cigarette smoke. > > Cadmium red paint stains on his jacket from leaning on a Philip Guston > painting. > > > > UFOrbK8@aol.com wrote: > > > did morton feldman smell bad? inquiring minds want to know... any > description of his scent would be welcomed, the more detailed the better. > > > > > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 10:16:22 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: help with Ron Miles' WOMEN'S DAY Does anybody know when that record came out? (The catalog number would help also.) Thanks, Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 15:13:24 -0500 From: "marc elzweig" Subject: Re: Morton Feldman & Edgar Varese i noticed nobody called out 'rothko chapel,' which i always thought of as a good starting point with feldman. medium length and there are a few different morton elements in it. there's a good recording on new albion with 'why patterns?' and of course 'piano and string quartet' (takahashi / kronos recording) has always been a favorite of mine. - -marc >From: "Bill Ashline" >To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Morton Feldman & Edgar Varese >Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 09:54:22 +0000 > >Probably been covered a million times here, but perhaps someone could >recommend where to start with Morton Feldman and Edgar Varese. Is Varese >in >print anywhere? Thanks. > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > >- > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:16:43 -0600 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Morton Feldman & Edgar Varese On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 03:13:24PM -0500, marc elzweig wrote: > i noticed nobody called out 'rothko chapel,' which i always thought of as a > good starting point with feldman. medium length and there are a few > different morton elements in it. there's a good recording on new albion > with 'why patterns?' I believe I'd mentioned it (on a disc where it's paired with some Varese). As I'd said, the available versions are good, but I wish the much warmer premiere recording were available: hearing it on the radio late at night turned me on to Feldman. > and of course 'piano and string quartet' (takahashi / kronos recording) has > always been a favorite of mine. Yup (though I wish they had released the version that they did for radio, of which I had a cassete. Slower, I think, and it also felt like a richer recording). - -- | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | New book: Surprise Me with Beauty: the Music of Human Systems | | http://www.metatronpress.com/nj/smwb.html | | Latest CDs: Collaborations/ All Souls http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:11:06 -0500 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Morton Feldman & Edgar Varese There's a live performance of 'Rothko Chapel' coming up on April 13 at St. Paul's Chapel on the Columbia University campus here in NYC, part of a weekend trilogy that is itself the middle of a sporadic three-year series dedicated to Cage, Feldman and the New York School, titled 'When Morty Met John.' (The title of the series comes from a great anecdote, by the way: supposedly the two composers first met at a New York Philharmonic concert which they'd both attended to hear Webern's Symphony; they met in the lobby when they both fled to avoid hearing a Rachmaninoff concerto.) Earlier the same day, Joan LaBarbara has organized a concert in Carnegie Hall's Weill Recital Hall featuring Cage's One, Inlets (Improvisation II) and Music for Nine and Feldman's The King of Denmark, for Franz Kline, Palais de Mari and The Viola in My Life. The next day in the same hall, LaBarbara performs Feldman's Three Voices for soprano and tape in the afternoon. while next door in Issac Stern Hall AT THE SAME TIME (grrr... it's not part of the same series...) the American Composers Orchestra includes Cage's Concerto for Prepared Piano and Chamber Orchestra (with Margaret Leng Tan) on a program with works by Puts, Thorne and Carter. More information at http://www.columbia.edu/cu/arts/miller/main.html and www.carnegiehall.org. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 21:27:20 +0000 From: "Kurt Gottschalk" Subject: the downside of going to victo not just the fred anderson/chad taylor/marc ribot trio at symphony space (nyc), but now i just got this: THE ASSOCIATION FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF CREATIVE MUSICIANS, AACM NEW YORK CHAPTER, INC. 37 YEARS OF ARTISTIC DEDICATION PRESENTS ANTHONY BRAXTON SOLO (ALTO) 2002 * * * Friday, May 24, 2002 at 8:00 PM New York Society for Ethical Culture 2 West 64th Street, NYC (Located at 64th Street & Central Park West) General Admission - $20.00, Senior Citizens and Students - $10.00 w/Valid I.D. fuh. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 16:38:16 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Morton Feldman & Edgar Varese - ----- Original Message ----- From: "marc elzweig" > > i noticed nobody called out 'rothko chapel,' which i always thought of as a > good starting point with feldman. medium length and there are a few > different morton elements in it. there's a good recording on new albion > with 'why patterns?' Great recording, this is where I got my start with Morty many years ago. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:11:13 -0500 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: The real Feldman/Cage schedule, or why's Steve's an imbecile Hi everyone: Just wanted to let you know that I found out I was copying the "When Morty Met John" schedule from obsolete materials. Here's the real lineup - now pardon me while I go wash egg off my face. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com Sat Apr 13: 3pm, Weill Recital Hall, Carnegie Hall, NYC Cage's One, Inlets (Improvisation II), and Music for Nine; Feldman's The King of Denmark, For Franz Kline, Palais de Mari and The Viola in My Life 7pm [not 8pm!], St. Paul's Chapel, Columbia University, NYC Feldman's Rothko Chapel and Christian Wolff in Cambridge; Cage's Litany for the Whale, Four 2, Eight Whiskus and Song Book. Sun Apr 14: 3pm, Stern Concert Hall, Carnegie Hall, NYC American Composers Orchestra Puts: Falling Dream, Thorne: Concerto for Orchestra, Cage: Concerto for Prepared Piano and Chamber Orchestra, Carter: Variations for Orchestra 7:30pm [not 3pm!], Weill Recital Hall, Carnegie Hall, NYC Joan LaBarbara performs Feldman's Three Voices (I should have known that no one would be so stupid as to position the ACO and LaBarbara concerts in opposition to one another, though nastier things happen every day in New York concert scheduling...) - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #872 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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